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But there haven't really been that many quality games coming out. The last really good game was Super Mario Galaxy. Which, granted, was good but there just aren't THAT many FANTASTIC games yet. Soon there will, but not yet.
Also, while the price drop would be welcomed by some, I don't think it's really necessary. But I will say that the price is what's keeping me from buying a PS3 or a 360. I have a really hard time justifying paying over $400 for a console a one game. That just sucks.
There is absolutely no way a price cut is going to happen with the current supply situation. If anything, were this another company, I would expect a price increase with all this mind-numbing success.
Yes, let's drop the price on a console which stores still can't keep in stock to drive demand even higher. Good plan. How about trying to make them readily available. Kthxbai.
Patcher has been preaching that the HD game consoles will be picking up steam and beating the wii for a good year now, it's just laughable. And how is unbundling Wii Sports a good idea?
Wii is overpriced.
Wii is overhyped.
Wii is overdusty.
Wii is a gimmick.
Nintendo fails at 1:1 response times.
Wii is overhyped.
Wii is overdusty.
Wii is a gimmick.
Nintendo fails at 1:1 response times.
I agree that a price drop isn't really needed right now, I think that the Wii is still very much in demand, we are still only about a month after the holidays remember. Its $250, when the ps2 was released didn't it cost $299? Granted the Wii can be considered a gamecube with different controllers, I know I'm being glib but its pretty accurate and I own a Wii so shutup. But I play my PS3 more than I do my Wii especially since I own an hdtv. But when friends are over we are playing the Wii and not the PS3. However, with HDTV being phased in more and more, and people are buying them more since the cost is coming way down. That and the fact that retailers like Best Buy only sell hdtvs now means people might be more prone to hook their 360 or PS3 to it and relegate the Wii as a secondary console.
Has Michael Pachter ever been right?
Every time I see his name, he's always saying some nonsense about how the Wii is going to fail and he makes excuses for why he was wrong last time.
Every time I see his name, he's always saying some nonsense about how the Wii is going to fail and he makes excuses for why he was wrong last time.
I am totally fine with this. I might actually buy a Wii now. I'd rather spend that $50 on a game I would actually like to play.
It would be stupid to drop Wii Sports. That is the game that half the people buying Wiis are actually buying them for.
Michael Pachter is almost as big of an idiot as the trolls in this thread.
@that1dude - So did you play No More Heroes or did you write it off?
@Corak - STFU. I have an HDTV, and my Wii sees as much action as the 360. Using HDTV to predict a console's sales/third-party games/all-around success is fucking dumb. You're just like Moron Pachter.
@bruceleethree - so you've played a majority of the well-reviewed Wii games from beginning to end, so you know there's no quality there, just hype, right? Oh wait, no you didn't. STFU.
@MissHinasaki - Don't get your hopes up. Expecting a price drop on any item whose production can't keep up with demand is as retarded as believing games are the source of violence.
@that1dude - So did you play No More Heroes or did you write it off?
@Corak - STFU. I have an HDTV, and my Wii sees as much action as the 360. Using HDTV to predict a console's sales/third-party games/all-around success is fucking dumb. You're just like Moron Pachter.
@bruceleethree - so you've played a majority of the well-reviewed Wii games from beginning to end, so you know there's no quality there, just hype, right? Oh wait, no you didn't. STFU.
@MissHinasaki - Don't get your hopes up. Expecting a price drop on any item whose production can't keep up with demand is as retarded as believing games are the source of violence.
@ TheStripe
I haven't had a chance to play it yet.
@GameBoi
Great, there are a few good games. But in comparison to say the 360, there aren't that many fantastic games IMHO.
I haven't had a chance to play it yet.
@GameBoi
Great, there are a few good games. But in comparison to say the 360, there aren't that many fantastic games IMHO.
It would be catastrophic if Nintendo stopped bundling their glorified tech demo. So many people wanted to buy the Wii not because it's a platform with plenty of potential (currently going unused), but because they want to play Wii Sports. For most mainstream consumers, Wii Sports is the Wii, and mentioning that you can take the disc out and buy other games quickly causes them to lose interest in what you're saying, as though you were telling them about some obscure Japanese strategy RPG. It's a sad fact, but the Wii is currently selling on Wii Sports.
bruceleethree
Nintendo can't fail at something they're not trying to do, e.g. 1:1 responsiveness. The Wii uses a more gestural control scheme.
But if you don't understand that by now i'll just assume you're a trolling fanboy. Go back to your haloes or whatever.
Nintendo can't fail at something they're not trying to do, e.g. 1:1 responsiveness. The Wii uses a more gestural control scheme.
But if you don't understand that by now i'll just assume you're a trolling fanboy. Go back to your haloes or whatever.
Heres a sure fire way to move more Wiis: just make more of the damn things. More Wiis on the market=more money for Nintendo.
Durrr... The Wii can have a price cut and keep Wii sports, Nintendo is making enough money off the wii that they could easily cut $50 if they wanted to. They could probably cut more if they had to. They aren't because demand is so high that there isn't a benefit to do so. Sony is in the worst place so that's why they are cutting prices.
Nintendo has been scamming people with the Wii at $250 from the very beginning. They can easily lower the price to $200 without having to unbundle Wii Sports to do so. It's a game that would sell for $20 on its own but they get people to pay $50 for it because it is included "free".
The Wii has sold for under $200 in Japan since day one :P
But why in the world would they lower the price when they can't keep them in stock at $250? They'll drop the price when sales start to slow a little or MS lowers the 360's price again.
Everyone really needs to stop looking at the Wii as if it is a part of the "console war". The 360 and PS3 are in a war. The Wii is a completely different product as far as I'm concerned. You might as well lump the DS in, and in that case, it's the undisputed console leader.
The Wii has sold for under $200 in Japan since day one :P
But why in the world would they lower the price when they can't keep them in stock at $250? They'll drop the price when sales start to slow a little or MS lowers the 360's price again.
Everyone really needs to stop looking at the Wii as if it is a part of the "console war". The 360 and PS3 are in a war. The Wii is a completely different product as far as I'm concerned. You might as well lump the DS in, and in that case, it's the undisputed console leader.
@that1dude - Please stop talking about the quality of games you haven't played.
@Skullivan - "scamming?" No one is forcing people to buy the wii, or is your assessment based on the fact that the wii isn't nor has ever been a loss leader?
@Necros - "It's a sad fact, but the Wii is currently selling on Wii Sports." Right, that's why it has far and above the best attach rate.
Next!
@Skullivan - "scamming?" No one is forcing people to buy the wii, or is your assessment based on the fact that the wii isn't nor has ever been a loss leader?
@Necros - "It's a sad fact, but the Wii is currently selling on Wii Sports." Right, that's why it has far and above the best attach rate.
Next!
The only way for the Wii to sell well is to offer up senior discounts and rebate offers for having more than two kids under the age of five. (since it's the target demographic this isn't hard)
@bruceleethree agreed.
I will end up buying a Wii, mainly for the Resident Evil title and Fatal frame. However I wouldn't never play Wii sports, I've played it twice and.. I'm not a fan. So a cheaper option minus wii sports would do me just fine.
I will end up buying a Wii, mainly for the Resident Evil title and Fatal frame. However I wouldn't never play Wii sports, I've played it twice and.. I'm not a fan. So a cheaper option minus wii sports would do me just fine.
I don't really know about the wii having quality games. I own one, and the only games I've really played on it lately are galaxy and guitar hero III (only because my brother got it for the wii). I'm not going to deny that twilight princess and resident evil 4 are great games, but those are gamecube games ported to the wii, with no changes except wii remote controls, which I personally think aren't as good as the original gamecube controls. Someone posted a link to the metacritic index of wii games, but if you would happen to actually compare that list to the 360 or even PS3 index, it doesn't look so hot.
I think the wii has a lot of potential, but really hasn't been unlocked yet. Whether or not we'll see that in the future, I don't know. Brawl does look damn good, though.
I think the wii has a lot of potential, but really hasn't been unlocked yet. Whether or not we'll see that in the future, I don't know. Brawl does look damn good, though.
NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Wii is not selling boatloads because of its low price.
Wii is not selling boatloads because of its "revolutionary" motion controlls.
Wii is selling boatloads because it is simple to understand how to play. You can hand the Wiimote to your grandma, boot up Wii Sports Tennis, and she will figure out how to play in 5 minutes. Motion-controls are simply one way of SIMPLIFYING videogame controls so that everyone gets to play. Touchscreen was another. The Gamersphere will bitch about "casual" games, but it is the "EASE of USE" that is selling Wiis right now. And will continue to do so until everyone has one.
It is so funny coming to Destructiod and watching the Gamersphere bitch and moan about Wii. Like Nintendo's business strategy is a personal affront to the vocal, hardcore minority. Subtract the Destructoid readers from the TOTAL POPULATION OF THE EARTH, and I think Nintendo's plan is pretty smart. The hardcore ABANDONED Nintendo a decade ago. Why should Nintendo continue to cater to the Gamersphere who would rather play Halo anyway? Especially when there is ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD to market to?
And anyone who says Wii has no good games is kidding themselves. No More Heros is 2008 GAME OF THE YEAR!!! That's right, I said it.
Wii is not selling boatloads because of its low price.
Wii is not selling boatloads because of its "revolutionary" motion controlls.
Wii is selling boatloads because it is simple to understand how to play. You can hand the Wiimote to your grandma, boot up Wii Sports Tennis, and she will figure out how to play in 5 minutes. Motion-controls are simply one way of SIMPLIFYING videogame controls so that everyone gets to play. Touchscreen was another. The Gamersphere will bitch about "casual" games, but it is the "EASE of USE" that is selling Wiis right now. And will continue to do so until everyone has one.
It is so funny coming to Destructiod and watching the Gamersphere bitch and moan about Wii. Like Nintendo's business strategy is a personal affront to the vocal, hardcore minority. Subtract the Destructoid readers from the TOTAL POPULATION OF THE EARTH, and I think Nintendo's plan is pretty smart. The hardcore ABANDONED Nintendo a decade ago. Why should Nintendo continue to cater to the Gamersphere who would rather play Halo anyway? Especially when there is ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD to market to?
And anyone who says Wii has no good games is kidding themselves. No More Heros is 2008 GAME OF THE YEAR!!! That's right, I said it.
@NightDehumidifier - Do you live under a rock, or do you not understand numbers?
@Kusa - how about Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Battalion Wars? I do know about the Wii having quality games, and it does.
@atheistium - Price drop not coming. Not anytime soon, Michael Pachter is a moron, (see above, and anything he's ever said about the gaming industry)
@Kusa - how about Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Battalion Wars? I do know about the Wii having quality games, and it does.
@atheistium - Price drop not coming. Not anytime soon, Michael Pachter is a moron, (see above, and anything he's ever said about the gaming industry)
@TheStripe
I've played all of those games, and own MP3, and think they're fine games. No question there. I'm not saying it doesn't have ANY quality games, I'm saying that it needs more, because personally, I don't think any of those games (besides Zack and Wiki) offer anything that hardcore gamers can't get on other consoles/PC, and better. If you've got a wii and are enjoying it, then fantastic. I'm just voicing some of my disappointments with a console that I was extremely excited for before launch.
I've played all of those games, and own MP3, and think they're fine games. No question there. I'm not saying it doesn't have ANY quality games, I'm saying that it needs more, because personally, I don't think any of those games (besides Zack and Wiki) offer anything that hardcore gamers can't get on other consoles/PC, and better. If you've got a wii and are enjoying it, then fantastic. I'm just voicing some of my disappointments with a console that I was extremely excited for before launch.
It seems all three major console companies are dumb in some big way. I dont think i need to list reasons why.
People really don't like Wii Sports? Like, you guys aren't just pretending but you really, legitimately don't get a kick out of it? Even some of the training contests and what not? It's ok if you do. You can admit to liking it, cause I sure as fuck do and pretty much everyone who touches it is having fun in no time. I promise, I won't tell anyone if you do...
Anyway I know its been the standard for ages no but no pack in = fail. When you're spending that much on something it should DO something FUN straight out the box. I shouldn't have to invest more immediately to get something out of it.
Anyway I know its been the standard for ages no but no pack in = fail. When you're spending that much on something it should DO something FUN straight out the box. I shouldn't have to invest more immediately to get something out of it.
Price cut it all they want (which they won't), having only one game I want to play won't get me to buy the console at any price. Why someone would be talking about the fiscal concerns for a console that was sold out two Winter Holiday Seasons in a row is beyond me, though.
OMG! The $250 console need to include a better game! It's okay that the $400 consoles don't have one at all, tho, because they're not Nintendo.
Who cares how much the Wii costs....it is still dumbing down video games.
That should be enough to anger fans of the industry no matter what it costs.
That should be enough to anger fans of the industry no matter what it costs.
Gavin = dumbed down
Crap has existed since the 8-bit generation. Games like No More Heroes and Metroid Prime 3 are not dumbing down gaming. Brainless FPS games like Frontlines and America's Army are. Nintendo's console is actually the only one of this generation doing anything totally new. Yes, faster processors and GPU's are making games more visually realistic and allowing better AI, but those things are only used to forward the status quo. The Wii is actually ushering in new gametypes and mechanics. Could a game like zack and wiki happen on a 360? Yes, but by the second level you'd be tired of using the analog stick to move your pointer around. I understand that change is scary, but your generic FPS games aren't going anywhere. I however, love that Nintendo is shaking things up and making the industry move forward. Failure to recognize that should be enough to anger fans of the industry.
Crap has existed since the 8-bit generation. Games like No More Heroes and Metroid Prime 3 are not dumbing down gaming. Brainless FPS games like Frontlines and America's Army are. Nintendo's console is actually the only one of this generation doing anything totally new. Yes, faster processors and GPU's are making games more visually realistic and allowing better AI, but those things are only used to forward the status quo. The Wii is actually ushering in new gametypes and mechanics. Could a game like zack and wiki happen on a 360? Yes, but by the second level you'd be tired of using the analog stick to move your pointer around. I understand that change is scary, but your generic FPS games aren't going anywhere. I however, love that Nintendo is shaking things up and making the industry move forward. Failure to recognize that should be enough to anger fans of the industry.
What an excellent analysis of the situation Mxyzptlk! You should get Pachter's job!
Ok, come on, really... the Wii needs a price cut... WTF? They sell like crack filled pancakes in the projects and the majority of people who buy one only want it for Wii Sports. Unbundling would be a terrible idea!
Ok, come on, really... the Wii needs a price cut... WTF? They sell like crack filled pancakes in the projects and the majority of people who buy one only want it for Wii Sports. Unbundling would be a terrible idea!
The millions of people who have bought, or are attempting to buy one seem to disagree with you liqideos.
If Nintendo feel they have any problems getting the things in living rooms for TV content they'd be much better off writing Adobe a blank cheque to get full latest version Flash video support, and then build a portal to YouTube, Hulu and the BBC site that was nice and customised and looked full screen.
That'll shift more consoles than HD would this generation.
What they should not do is cut out the piece of software that has generated that truck load of cash.
That'll shift more consoles than HD would this generation.
What they should not do is cut out the piece of software that has generated that truck load of cash.
@The Phazer - WTF? You think the way to win this generation's console war is to make sure it has a full featured web browser?
Wow, that's some brand new kind of WTF right there . . .
Wow, that's some brand new kind of WTF right there . . .
@TheStripe No, I don't - Nintendo has already won.
I just said that *if* (and I see no great reason too) Nintendo wanted to make the Wii a viable box for watching television on then focusing on making it a good box for Flash streaming with the newer client and building lots of nice interfaces for them is something Nintendo could do really easily and relatively cheaply, and it would make a much bigger impact than HD will during the Wii's lifecycle.
I just said that *if* (and I see no great reason too) Nintendo wanted to make the Wii a viable box for watching television on then focusing on making it a good box for Flash streaming with the newer client and building lots of nice interfaces for them is something Nintendo could do really easily and relatively cheaply, and it would make a much bigger impact than HD will during the Wii's lifecycle.
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