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Its amazing close in the start, way amazingly close. But varies towards the end. I'm not sure what to say. The guys Japanese and the music is from 1974 in Russia how often is that music going to get played in Japan for this guy to rip on.
The fact that Kojima is just laughing it off as opposed to being defensive about it seems more like a strange coincidence as opposed to plagiarism.
@ Volomon:
I apologize for being anal, but I can't let that one slide by. The MGS2 theme was written by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gregson-Williams">Harry Gregson-Williams</a>, who isn't Japanese.
On to the tinfoil-hat stuff. I agree that the piece isn't exactly well known, but (just to play devil's advocate) that could theoretically make it easier to plagiarize, since there's less chance of getting caught. Additionally, Wikipedia says the piece was originally written for a 1964 movie and was played heavily following its release in Russia, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that Williams could have heard it.
Personally, I don't think it was plagiarized. What we hear seems to fall within the realm of coincidence. To steal an entire melody would be career suicide for a composer, and, as has been pointed out, the two compositions do vary significantly. However, it's possible that Williams may have heard the piece and referenced it subconsciously while scoring MGS... it's still played from time to time on classical radio stations.
I apologize for being anal, but I can't let that one slide by. The MGS2 theme was written by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gregson-Williams">Harry Gregson-Williams</a>, who isn't Japanese.
On to the tinfoil-hat stuff. I agree that the piece isn't exactly well known, but (just to play devil's advocate) that could theoretically make it easier to plagiarize, since there's less chance of getting caught. Additionally, Wikipedia says the piece was originally written for a 1964 movie and was played heavily following its release in Russia, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that Williams could have heard it.
Personally, I don't think it was plagiarized. What we hear seems to fall within the realm of coincidence. To steal an entire melody would be career suicide for a composer, and, as has been pointed out, the two compositions do vary significantly. However, it's possible that Williams may have heard the piece and referenced it subconsciously while scoring MGS... it's still played from time to time on classical radio stations.
Oops, not sure why that link didn't work. Try <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gregson-Williams">this.</a>
Ok, apparently I just suck at following directions. This should work though.
I love mgs... and from what I've heard on gt the guns of patriots is the last part..... Kojima, konami.. I really wouldn't mind 20 more of those mgs'es of yours :) please make more... make a clone of snake and here we go :P
There are only 7 notes on the scale, everything will be repeated sooner or later.
However, "Take Me Out" by sh*t fashion band Franz Ferdinand blatantly rips off "Trampled Underfoot" by Len Zeppelin and that's just deeply gay of them.
Also, this just in: Metal Gear Solid sucks balls.
However, "Take Me Out" by sh*t fashion band Franz Ferdinand blatantly rips off "Trampled Underfoot" by Len Zeppelin and that's just deeply gay of them.
Also, this just in: Metal Gear Solid sucks balls.
This kind of thing happens all the time. Listen to "The Planets" by Gustav Holst and tell me that John Williams didn't steal that for Star Wars (or any other space opera).
* "Len Zeppelin" is a plumber who lives down the end of our street. Jimmy Page was so impressed with his name he nicked it, tricked it and started a rock band.
This just in, Harry Gregson Williams didn't write the MGS theme song. It was originally composed by Tappy Iwase for Metal Gear Solid 1.
hmm... there are slight differences... but thats still way too close for comfort.
oh well elvis stole a bunch of black peoples music and claimed it as his own and he did great... Its not a huge deal since its some russian classical music and everyone in russia is to busy doing drugs and listening to techno under their new dictatorious government.
oh well elvis stole a bunch of black peoples music and claimed it as his own and he did great... Its not a huge deal since its some russian classical music and everyone in russia is to busy doing drugs and listening to techno under their new dictatorious government.
DrScience123:
To take that even further, I've heard gamers indignantly exclaim: "WHAT THE HELL THEY COPIED MARIO" upon hearing "Mars, The Bringer of War".
Yeah, we're definitely an uncultured lot.
To take that even further, I've heard gamers indignantly exclaim: "WHAT THE HELL THEY COPIED MARIO" upon hearing "Mars, The Bringer of War".
Yeah, we're definitely an uncultured lot.
I'm just commenting on the fact that you made a Boondocks refrence in your story... but changed it up a little.
Ok I'll go with one of Qalamari's points that the MGS composer could have subconsciously referenced it, i've noticed myself doing it when i make up my shite tunes on my pc and i also notice alot of similar sounding songs on the radio at work, my colleague and friend always points them out to me unfortunately i can't think of any examples at this point in time :(
Banj, there are 12 notes in a scale.
Still, this isn't good enough, despite what Zac Bentz says. Sure, it's similar, but it's not stealing. There are direct lines from the Star Wars score (first one) that are taken straight from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite. That shit is balls.
This is just gay.
Still, this isn't good enough, despite what Zac Bentz says. Sure, it's similar, but it's not stealing. There are direct lines from the Star Wars score (first one) that are taken straight from Gustav Holst's "The Planets" suite. That shit is balls.
This is just gay.
is it just me or was this already on the front page like weeks ago? maybe i saw it in the clogs i dont know but the fact remains...old news is old
Someone posted this FOREVER ago on the cblogs, that's where you saw it. Also Gregson just rearranged the original MGS theme for MGS2.
@ Mustin:
Most people tend to think of the diatonic scale: ABCDEFG. There's hardly ever a reason to bring the chromatic scale into things. If were going to count all the sharps and flats, there's nothing to stop us from moving on to the double-sharps and -flats, and then we're here all day.
And as far as the accusation goes, I don't think any real composer would knowingly do anything like that. As Qualamari mentioned, a moment like this would be the death of a career. It's more than likely some Jungian collective unconscious thing.
Still creepy though.
Most people tend to think of the diatonic scale: ABCDEFG. There's hardly ever a reason to bring the chromatic scale into things. If were going to count all the sharps and flats, there's nothing to stop us from moving on to the double-sharps and -flats, and then we're here all day.
And as far as the accusation goes, I don't think any real composer would knowingly do anything like that. As Qualamari mentioned, a moment like this would be the death of a career. It's more than likely some Jungian collective unconscious thing.
Still creepy though.
@ Mustin:
Most people tend to think of the diatonic scale: ABCDEFG. There's hardly ever a reason to bring the chromatic scale into things. If were going to count all the sharps and flats, there's nothing to stop us from moving on to the double-sharps and -flats, and then we're here all day.
And as far as the accusation goes, I don't think any real composer would knowingly do anything like that. As Qualamari mentioned, a moment like this would be the death of a career. It's more than likely some Jungian collective unconscious thing.
Still creepy though.
Most people tend to think of the diatonic scale: ABCDEFG. There's hardly ever a reason to bring the chromatic scale into things. If were going to count all the sharps and flats, there's nothing to stop us from moving on to the double-sharps and -flats, and then we're here all day.
And as far as the accusation goes, I don't think any real composer would knowingly do anything like that. As Qualamari mentioned, a moment like this would be the death of a career. It's more than likely some Jungian collective unconscious thing.
Still creepy though.
The similarity is CRAZY, but it still differs enough to not sound like a knockoff. It COULD be possible that this song was INSPIRATION for the MGS theme, but I don't think it would be right to go as far as saying that the theme was plagiarism...
Seems like Kojima's been hanging around Hong Kong too much. Sounds similar, but I like the Russian one more.
As a composer and student of music. I have to put my two cents in.
While it is very possible that HGW could have easily plagiarized Svridov..it is much easier to consider that he is referencing this theme in his own way. It happens from time to tine..whether it is on purpose or subconsciously. This also happens in literature and they usually call this allusion, but anyways..
The theme is very similar, but I didn't like what Svridov did at all with it..instead of using a brilliant theme to his advantage, he basically completely drops it and moves on like it was a one night stand. HGW embellishes on the theme and develops around it. I mean come on people..there is a reason why you've never heard of this guy (or at least I never have and I typically like Russian composers).
I could probably tell you more, but I don't have a conductor's score to either of these. To summarize--->
Svridov=Epic Fail
HGW=Epic Win
While it is very possible that HGW could have easily plagiarized Svridov..it is much easier to consider that he is referencing this theme in his own way. It happens from time to tine..whether it is on purpose or subconsciously. This also happens in literature and they usually call this allusion, but anyways..
The theme is very similar, but I didn't like what Svridov did at all with it..instead of using a brilliant theme to his advantage, he basically completely drops it and moves on like it was a one night stand. HGW embellishes on the theme and develops around it. I mean come on people..there is a reason why you've never heard of this guy (or at least I never have and I typically like Russian composers).
I could probably tell you more, but I don't have a conductor's score to either of these. To summarize--->
Svridov=Epic Fail
HGW=Epic Win
Holy shit..I actually just read some of the comments..I didn't know Iwase wrote the original theme..
Me=epic fail
Me=epic fail
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