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so so preordered now, him spyro and crash bandicoot was pretty much my childhood so having at least one of them in the game makes me so happy.
I'm really hoping Raiden isn't overpowered. He looks awesome though! And now that all the rumored characters are out of the way, hopefully they announce some new characters nobody has heard of. And I really hope they're not rumored before they are announced either, like all the other characters.
Here is what i dont understand. Majority of haters say the characters are bland or uninteresting. But why do people think this? Majority of nintendos characters are so one dimensional and most dont even have any character development. Sonys characters actually have more than one personality and actually grow. How the fuck are these characters bland or uninteresting again?
I remember Dan Fortesque, I liked playing that Medievil demo but never got around playing the full game.
Good thing they announced Nariko, she has a good moveset. Would like to see more females like Jennifer Tate from Primal. Please, Destructoid, ask Superbot to include Jennifer if you ever talk with them.
Good thing they announced Nariko, she has a good moveset. Would like to see more females like Jennifer Tate from Primal. Please, Destructoid, ask Superbot to include Jennifer if you ever talk with them.
@Chewiejds I'm sure he's no Metaknight, Raiden's moves don't look that powerful, it's just more of the fact that he can juggle easily unlike some other characters. He'll probably end up being one of my favourite characters along with Dante, Nathan Drake and Sackboy.
Well I know who my main will be now!
We really do need a Medievil 3. If only Sony would stop getting SCE Cambridge to work on garbage.
We really do need a Medievil 3. If only Sony would stop getting SCE Cambridge to work on garbage.
@ Sayword you do know when people say they are uninteresting in regards to this game it's about the look of the characters not the personality also this game does look like a patched together mess some times because of haw different all the character designs are.
@SayWord: Because we're talking visually and most modern Sony characters are just guys with various length of hair.
@SayWord
Your whole argument makes no sense. How does Nintendo factor into this, and how is it you think you can argue against what is easily the most beloved and respected stable of video game characters any one company can boast?
I'll answer it for you: Nintendo doesn't factor into it at all, and you can't.
Your whole argument makes no sense. How does Nintendo factor into this, and how is it you think you can argue against what is easily the most beloved and respected stable of video game characters any one company can boast?
I'll answer it for you: Nintendo doesn't factor into it at all, and you can't.
I thought you guys might be covering the other 3 additions http://pixelgrater.com/2012/08/30/triangle-square-circle-to-all-join-playstation-all-stars-battle-royale/
Nice too see sir daniel fortesque, still holding out for Crash, although I think activision may have acidentally slipped that one if this rumors true. Its most likely false but i can dream dammit!
http://www.psu.com/a016709/Activision-hints-that-Crash-Bandicoot-will-appear-in-PS-All-Stars
http://www.psu.com/a016709/Activision-hints-that-Crash-Bandicoot-will-appear-in-PS-All-Stars
This is the first time I've been even mildly tempted to buy it. I've never liked Smash Bros, so I'm still skeptical, but it's lovely that they're bringing in an older and oft-forgotten character like Dan Fortesque. MediEvil is close to my heart (or at least the very first bit is, right up 'till you get to the boulders coming down the hill. Never got past that).
@ SayWord
At risk of being incredibly unpopular, I agree. As much as Smash Bros fans will tell you that the All-Stars lineup is dull, or samey or whatever, Nathan Drake, or Nariko, or Ratchet, or Parappa all have more personality in their little fingers than most of the Smash Bros cast do combined. Luigi or Peach or Donkey Kong might be iconic, but they aren't very interesting. Their iconic status is really all they have.
At risk of being incredibly unpopular, I agree. As much as Smash Bros fans will tell you that the All-Stars lineup is dull, or samey or whatever, Nathan Drake, or Nariko, or Ratchet, or Parappa all have more personality in their little fingers than most of the Smash Bros cast do combined. Luigi or Peach or Donkey Kong might be iconic, but they aren't very interesting. Their iconic status is really all they have.
@Paul Stone
It has nothing at all to do with being a fan of Smash Bros, it's about being a reasonable human being. No reasonable human being would claim that all Ninty's characters have going for them is their icon status. No reasonable human being would claim Sony's reserve of characters even approaches that of Ninty's. No reasonably human being would claim that Ninty's iconic characters have no personality.
If you want to say you like one character more than the next, that's one thing. Making huge sweeping generalizations that run contrary to the obvious is an entirely different story.
Also, Nathan Drake is one of the most awful video game characters ever created. That's an opinion, by the way.
It has nothing at all to do with being a fan of Smash Bros, it's about being a reasonable human being. No reasonable human being would claim that all Ninty's characters have going for them is their icon status. No reasonable human being would claim Sony's reserve of characters even approaches that of Ninty's. No reasonably human being would claim that Ninty's iconic characters have no personality.
If you want to say you like one character more than the next, that's one thing. Making huge sweeping generalizations that run contrary to the obvious is an entirely different story.
Also, Nathan Drake is one of the most awful video game characters ever created. That's an opinion, by the way.
Guys [Sayword etc] A brawler isn't about the personality of the characters, it's about how they look and play.
Smash bros has a wide variety of characters of different shapes, sizes and colours allowing for a more varied experience.
All Stars is going in the right direction by including their more cartoony characters, but there are a lot of other that are just normal sized dudes with similar colour schemes. That's why people are saying it's dull.
Smash bros has a wide variety of characters of different shapes, sizes and colours allowing for a more varied experience.
All Stars is going in the right direction by including their more cartoony characters, but there are a lot of other that are just normal sized dudes with similar colour schemes. That's why people are saying it's dull.
Am I being unreasonable? I don't feel unreasonable.
While I realise there are exceptions, I can't muster a lot of enthusiasm for characters that don't have any traits beyond "hero" or "villain". What's interesting about Donkey Kong? Or Peach? Or Kirby? Or Luigi? Or Bowser? What is there to like about them? The average Saturday morning cartoon character has a better chance with me.
I'm not trying to suggest that you're wrong to like them. I just don't like them myself, and I've always been bothered by the suggestion that just because they're more "iconic" that they're somehow better than any other group of characters.
While I realise there are exceptions, I can't muster a lot of enthusiasm for characters that don't have any traits beyond "hero" or "villain". What's interesting about Donkey Kong? Or Peach? Or Kirby? Or Luigi? Or Bowser? What is there to like about them? The average Saturday morning cartoon character has a better chance with me.
I'm not trying to suggest that you're wrong to like them. I just don't like them myself, and I've always been bothered by the suggestion that just because they're more "iconic" that they're somehow better than any other group of characters.
@SammiYin
If that's genuinely the issue people have, no problem. I don't think it'll be much of an issue in terms of gameplay, but it's a fair observation.
If that's genuinely the issue people have, no problem. I don't think it'll be much of an issue in terms of gameplay, but it's a fair observation.
@Paul Stone
I'd say it's pretty unreasonable to write off large swaths of what is easily the strongest single-publisher cast of characters in gaming; a cast of characters that are synonymous with gaming itself, as uninteresting. Don't put the smoke before the fire, they didn't become icons by accident.
Whether or not you find those characters interesting is on you, but I could make the same arguments about all the characters you spoke about. This isn't the issue, the issue seems to be that SayWord specifically implied that Ninty's characters are somehow incapable of being interesting by virtue of the kinds of games they were found in, and that the opposite of was true of Sony; that Sony's characters were somehow inherently more interesting because of they kinds of games they were found in.
You seemed to second that notion, and it's one that doesn't make any sense on its face. Not to mention the obvious: Sony is making a crossover/mashup fighting game, a kind of game that has to thrive as much on character recognition as it does on solid gameplay. Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom was a great fighting game, now try to find people in the US that know who Tatsunoko is and you'd understand why it didn't sell so well.
So even in we came together and fully entertained the thought that Sony's characters are somehow more interesting than Ninty's, it wouldn't matter worth a damn sight. People play as awesome characters they don't know all the time, in these kinds of games they want to play as characters they recognize, and this is the aim of both companies.
Gather a bunch of saturday morning cartoon characters from the 80s and 90s, and this game specifically would be forgotten by me just based on characters alone. I just can't say the same for Nintendo's characters.
I'd say it's pretty unreasonable to write off large swaths of what is easily the strongest single-publisher cast of characters in gaming; a cast of characters that are synonymous with gaming itself, as uninteresting. Don't put the smoke before the fire, they didn't become icons by accident.
Whether or not you find those characters interesting is on you, but I could make the same arguments about all the characters you spoke about. This isn't the issue, the issue seems to be that SayWord specifically implied that Ninty's characters are somehow incapable of being interesting by virtue of the kinds of games they were found in, and that the opposite of was true of Sony; that Sony's characters were somehow inherently more interesting because of they kinds of games they were found in.
You seemed to second that notion, and it's one that doesn't make any sense on its face. Not to mention the obvious: Sony is making a crossover/mashup fighting game, a kind of game that has to thrive as much on character recognition as it does on solid gameplay. Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom was a great fighting game, now try to find people in the US that know who Tatsunoko is and you'd understand why it didn't sell so well.
So even in we came together and fully entertained the thought that Sony's characters are somehow more interesting than Ninty's, it wouldn't matter worth a damn sight. People play as awesome characters they don't know all the time, in these kinds of games they want to play as characters they recognize, and this is the aim of both companies.
Gather a bunch of saturday morning cartoon characters from the 80s and 90s, and this game specifically would be forgotten by me just based on characters alone. I just can't say the same for Nintendo's characters.
damn, who'd have thought a series as obscure as Medievil would be getting some love?
unfortunately the developers of those games went kaput a long time ago
unfortunately the developers of those games went kaput a long time ago
@Alan Argentina
You mention that Nintendo's characters didn't become icons by mistake, and you're right - it was always the games that were interesting, not the characters. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that people like Mario because they like Mario games, not because they find interest in his Italian heritage or mushroom habit.
Whether or not you find the Sony characters interesting is entirely your view, but my point was simply that almost all of them have significant detail to them, from backstories to character flaws to personality traits. They're interesting as more than just the player avatar in their games.
I won't deny anything you've said about how fighting games work, because it all seems pretty on-target to me. I just don't like seeing the Sony lineup slated unjustly.
You mention that Nintendo's characters didn't become icons by mistake, and you're right - it was always the games that were interesting, not the characters. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that people like Mario because they like Mario games, not because they find interest in his Italian heritage or mushroom habit.
Whether or not you find the Sony characters interesting is entirely your view, but my point was simply that almost all of them have significant detail to them, from backstories to character flaws to personality traits. They're interesting as more than just the player avatar in their games.
I won't deny anything you've said about how fighting games work, because it all seems pretty on-target to me. I just don't like seeing the Sony lineup slated unjustly.
@Paul Stone
That's part of my point. The characters were completely synonymous with nearly everything about their respective games. Liking the games was liking the characters, and vice versa (generally speaking). It's what made Ninty's characters so recognizable, they were, for all intents and purposes, the games themselves.
Honestly, it's the kind of connection sadly missing in many of today's games, but that's neither here nor there.
In any case, what is or isn't interesting is subjective, and more than just backstory and the like goes into forming an opinion on it. All I mean to say here is, in response to the original comment I replied to, the notion that Ninty's characters are incapable of being interesting, while Sony's characters are inherently interesting, is absurd.
This game's success or failure will happen independently of what Ninty has done/will do, so the whole thing is moot anyway.
That's part of my point. The characters were completely synonymous with nearly everything about their respective games. Liking the games was liking the characters, and vice versa (generally speaking). It's what made Ninty's characters so recognizable, they were, for all intents and purposes, the games themselves.
Honestly, it's the kind of connection sadly missing in many of today's games, but that's neither here nor there.
In any case, what is or isn't interesting is subjective, and more than just backstory and the like goes into forming an opinion on it. All I mean to say here is, in response to the original comment I replied to, the notion that Ninty's characters are incapable of being interesting, while Sony's characters are inherently interesting, is absurd.
This game's success or failure will happen independently of what Ninty has done/will do, so the whole thing is moot anyway.
@Alan Argentina
I didn't mean to imply any blanket rule, i.e. Sony characters = interesting, Nintendo characters = dull. Obviously that would be foolish. In any case, I think we understand each other now.
I didn't mean to imply any blanket rule, i.e. Sony characters = interesting, Nintendo characters = dull. Obviously that would be foolish. In any case, I think we understand each other now.
I don't get what the issue is with the look of the game. It doesn't look great but it doesn't look horrible either. I thought game play was what mattered. seems like people just need something to attack.
And Sony characters may not be as iconic or adorable, but for the most part they definitely have more depth and character.
Whats up with everyone crying rip off too? Yeah it is a rip off but so it every 2d fighter that came after the first. different mechanics, same idea, just like this
And Sony characters may not be as iconic or adorable, but for the most part they definitely have more depth and character.
Whats up with everyone crying rip off too? Yeah it is a rip off but so it every 2d fighter that came after the first. different mechanics, same idea, just like this
I came to say 3 things:
1. Yesssssssss Dan.
2. I wanted Narikos sis.
3. @Aries: Yesss Jennifer would be sweet!
1. Yesssssssss Dan.
2. I wanted Narikos sis.
3. @Aries: Yesss Jennifer would be sweet!
NICE!!!! I knew I'd run into some good news if I checked in today!!
Now where's Rochard? I love that guy!
Now where's Rochard? I love that guy!
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