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I'm kind of on both sides, I consider it super fucking lazy on Bioware's part and I'm also kind of like 'MEH'.
Now, this... I can see why people would be angry about this. Very, very lazy. Shameful display, BioWare.
Funny, people are mad today but when I saw people talking about this yesterday all anybody could talk about was how great and beautiful she looked. Now she's trash.
After the massive map recycling in Dragon Age 2, is anyone really surprised? Bioware has clearly embraced a pixel-eco-friendly approach to game development.
Yeah, pretty dang lazy if you ask me. I mean seriously THAT is what Tali looks like? That is what they wanted to go with? Yeah I am going to pretend this is non-canon.
I'm more disturbed by the fact that Quarians have a reptilian or insectoid silhouette but a humanoid face. I like that the screenshot is captioned "Picture of Tali unmasked in YOUR room." Lonely nerds.
This like starcraft 2 I am just ignoring the fans. People are making netpicks seem like gamebreaking things.
I mean for fuck's sake, she is human in that photo. Gosh...what happened to the Quarians having bird-like features? Annoying.
So... she looks like santa?
Seriously though, it took this to make people realize they where lazy? What about the fact that they haven't made a different game since KotoR? ( if you don't count sonic: the dark brotherhood. ^_^;)
Seriously though, it took this to make people realize they where lazy? What about the fact that they haven't made a different game since KotoR? ( if you don't count sonic: the dark brotherhood. ^_^;)
Eh. I don't really care, but they should've just left it a mystery rather than pull this bullshit. I honestly would have greatly preferred it to be left unknown. But Tali isn't exactly my cup of tea anyways.
Um, can we please use a less spoiler-y headline for a game that just got released, particularly when you broadcast this over RSS and Twitter?
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Lazy? Yes. Does it matter? Not really. If they didn't model the character in-game with her mask off at all, there's no character model there to compare to in the first place, so a pretty face, stock or otherwise, is fine. Kind of wish they'd gotten more creative, but whatevs.
I think it's kind of like Bioware knew that seeing Tali's face was a big deal for some fans. It's not even the laziness that bothers me at this point; but the fact that they don't even seem to care about the fans anymore.
Dammit, Jim. I accidentally saw the thumbnail for the comparison photo.
But hater's gonna hate. I love Tali and this is whatever. Lazy, fine. Ok. Did we forget about the rest of the game?
And Jacob was literally just Kaiden under black skin.
And just about every single planet in ME1 was vast nothingness.
And the cookie cutter planet bases in ME1 as well....
And....
Well, you see what I mean. BIOWARE HAS BEEN LAZY FROM THE BEGINNING!
But hater's gonna hate. I love Tali and this is whatever. Lazy, fine. Ok. Did we forget about the rest of the game?
And Jacob was literally just Kaiden under black skin.
And just about every single planet in ME1 was vast nothingness.
And the cookie cutter planet bases in ME1 as well....
And....
Well, you see what I mean. BIOWARE HAS BEEN LAZY FROM THE BEGINNING!
Should I just stop coming here for a while? I'd rather not have EVERYTHING fucking spoiled. First the ending and now this. This is kinda minor, sure, but Christ!
Masem: I didn't think it was much of a spoiler, simply stating what had already been strongly hinted at, but I've gone back and made the headline about as unspoilery as I possibly can.
some fanboys are just idiots....methinks the mentality of entitlement of the millenials is spreading. Its a game.....the fans have done nothing to assist in the development of the game...be happy they even finally revealed her face.
Even if they managed to create a computer generated face there would be those unhappy with it. WHO GIVES AN F??
So Whoop de damn doo...
Even if they managed to create a computer generated face there would be those unhappy with it. WHO GIVES AN F??
So Whoop de damn doo...
DUDE IT'S JUST A PICTURE -.- who fucking cares!? Does it changes anything? effin' no! "Fans" are the worst kind of people sometimes
"Should I just stop coming here for a while?"
If a statement that a character can possibly seen with its mask off is enough to spoil an entire videogame for you, then you might need to keep off the Internet entirely for a bit.
If a statement that a character can possibly seen with its mask off is enough to spoil an entire videogame for you, then you might need to keep off the Internet entirely for a bit.
Fail at your spoiler warning when the picture is right below. Great job.
( i could care less im not a ME fanboy )
but yeah BioWare is lazy, they've recycled tons of stuff throughout the ME series.
( i could care less im not a ME fanboy )
but yeah BioWare is lazy, they've recycled tons of stuff throughout the ME series.
If it wasn't SUCH a big deal for the mass effect series to finally see Tali's face I'd say it was a fine corner to cut. But this is something that has been hyped up and requested for years as a major fan service.
What I love about this the most is that, to anyone outside of the industry, it's incredibly lazy and stupid. To anyone inside of the industry, it's "shit, better make more modifications on ours so WE don't get caught."
Allow me to introduce you all to CgTextures, an online resource/database for textures and pictures that has been used by every major studio in the world, and a bunch of little ones.
http://www.cgtextures.com/
Now you would think a resource like this being revealed to the world would make every single 3D and texture artist out there look lazy as all fuck, from Valve to Naughty Dog, but you'd be an incredibly stupid little twat of a man. Because it's all a matter of resources and time. These are often the starting foundations to textures found in games and a good starting point gives you more time to invest elsewhere. Like getting the game done on time, or offering a massive variety of weapons or armor pieces. Every corner cut with the mundane tasks is time spent on the stuff you REALLY want.
Allow me to introduce you all to CgTextures, an online resource/database for textures and pictures that has been used by every major studio in the world, and a bunch of little ones.
http://www.cgtextures.com/
Now you would think a resource like this being revealed to the world would make every single 3D and texture artist out there look lazy as all fuck, from Valve to Naughty Dog, but you'd be an incredibly stupid little twat of a man. Because it's all a matter of resources and time. These are often the starting foundations to textures found in games and a good starting point gives you more time to invest elsewhere. Like getting the game done on time, or offering a massive variety of weapons or armor pieces. Every corner cut with the mundane tasks is time spent on the stuff you REALLY want.
What I would usually say:
"Eh annnnnnnnnd..."
But in this case:
"I'll just wait till the price of the game is equivalent to their "work" on the product"
In this way I'm not being evil (pirate, used games, borrowing from a friend, etc) and at the same time I'm giving the same amount (in terms of time and money) that the one intern gave to make that image.
"Eh annnnnnnnnd..."
But in this case:
"I'll just wait till the price of the game is equivalent to their "work" on the product"
In this way I'm not being evil (pirate, used games, borrowing from a friend, etc) and at the same time I'm giving the same amount (in terms of time and money) that the one intern gave to make that image.
The big reveal, the hotly debated "what's under the mask, and this is it? This anti-climax?! It's like getting built up for a great meal and being served a TV dinner.
I'm not going to overreact, unless I just did, but this is some funny funny shit right here.
I'm not going to overreact, unless I just did, but this is some funny funny shit right here.
Not that Bioware really needs a forum paladin for this, but this is really stupid. People who make videogames are on budgets, and every single design choice may detract from anouther. Spending time rendering a special magic face for every fan's favorite alien next door would have detracted from other art found in this game.
@eternal
Agreed. I already see everyone has already come out to demonize the fans as just being nitpicky and stupid. However, this has been hyped for years. This is not some minor detail with no relevance. I guess if you care little to nothing about the story portion of video games, then this is no big deal.
Agreed. I already see everyone has already come out to demonize the fans as just being nitpicky and stupid. However, this has been hyped for years. This is not some minor detail with no relevance. I guess if you care little to nothing about the story portion of video games, then this is no big deal.
Not that Bioware really needs a forum paladin for this, but this is really stupid. People who make videogames are on budgets, and every single design choice may detract from anouther. Spending time rendering a special magic face for every fan's favorite alien next door would have detracted from other art found in this game.
This is honestly extremely lazy. Bioware definitely has the art assets and team assembled, so why couldn't they just create another face?
At the same time, though, I don't really care. I've lost a lot of interest in Mass Effect because of EA, so anything they do just doesn't phase me that much.
At the same time, though, I don't really care. I've lost a lot of interest in Mass Effect because of EA, so anything they do just doesn't phase me that much.
I don't think it's a huge deal overall, because Shepard is modeled after a RL Norwegian male model, Miranda is a clone of Yvonne Strahovski, and TIM is just a young version of irl Martin Sheen inside the game.
Still, it would've been nice to actually see this modeled rather than be handled as a lazy photoshop.
Still, it would've been nice to actually see this modeled rather than be handled as a lazy photoshop.
@William
I highly doubt they went so over budget that they couldn't dedicate time to a supposedly important characters design.
This wasn't like a painting on a space ships bathroom wall.... ^_^;
I highly doubt they went so over budget that they couldn't dedicate time to a supposedly important characters design.
This wasn't like a painting on a space ships bathroom wall.... ^_^;
I'm more disappointed that Bioware seems to care more about working on bullshit like this than giving me dozens of planets to freely explore. The original Mass Effect was flawed, but at least it was actually ambitious. The problem with the new Dragon Age and Mass Effect games is that they try to play it safe and please everybody. I still want Jade Empire 2, but now it would probably some terrible dating sim where half the game is DLC. But that's like, just my opinion, man.
Wow, not expecting Tali to look so....human. That's the only part that kind of sucks, I could care less if a stock photo was altered. BUT - Make her green or fuschia or some shit, c'mon.
I guess given Mass Effect's style anything they would've done would be strongly based on a real person (male Sheppard is apparently pretty much exactly his human model) so this was mostly unavoidable if she were to look like a human at all. But still, it doesn't look like they really did anything to the photo other than some extra lens flare and messed with her ears a bit. If I had a lot of stake in it I probably would've given it an "awwww, really" and then maybe bitched a bit with some like minded people on a forum and then moved on.
Not really a HUGE deal, but considering it is Bioware and this is supposed to be the big wrapup to their "epic" trilogy, it is disappointingly lazy.
This isnt nit picking. its gross laziness and competency that bioware cant develop a character fully. i said this months ago and all the biodrones attacked me. look who was rigyht
@Harris
Actually, look at her neckline which has some implants of some sort installed, her ears were barely tweaked, but her eyes no longer have an iris, likewise, some dark skin markings merge up to the hairline, possibly a scifi nod to one of Marvels favorite bird people, the Shi'ar.
Actually, look at her neckline which has some implants of some sort installed, her ears were barely tweaked, but her eyes no longer have an iris, likewise, some dark skin markings merge up to the hairline, possibly a scifi nod to one of Marvels favorite bird people, the Shi'ar.
@Ulicies
Yes, It's from a videotape of my birth. That's my dads reaction when he saw me for the first time. Aah the memories.
No, it's actually from a movie called Scanners. Awesome sfx!
Yes, It's from a videotape of my birth. That's my dads reaction when he saw me for the first time. Aah the memories.
No, it's actually from a movie called Scanners. Awesome sfx!
It's definitely lazy as fuck on Bioware's part, but it doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is that this clearly means you don't actually see Tali without her mask in game. That's a bummer. I was really hoping to visit the Quarians on a new home planet where they live without masks and then go see Tali for some skin-to-scales ugly-bumpin'. Looks like I'll be embracing eternity instead. ALL MY DREAMS ARE SHATTERED!!!
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