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That header picture is so appropriate it's no longer funny.
Downright freaky. Fans and Fandom creators....tsk tsk.
Downright freaky. Fans and Fandom creators....tsk tsk.
Hey Jimbo, you forgot this poll:
http://social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/
Where a staggering 97% (10,728 votes) want a more hopeful ending, while only 3% (313 votes) think the ending is fine the way it is.
I think that's a much more telling poll.
http://social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/
Where a staggering 97% (10,728 votes) want a more hopeful ending, while only 3% (313 votes) think the ending is fine the way it is.
I think that's a much more telling poll.
I really liked the ending personally. There was no way a perfectly happy ending would be possible. And lol at people using this drama to crap on the series. I think the series is amazing especially for sci fi buffs. I can understand if the shooting gameplay and technobabble isn't everybody's thing.
Just finished ME3.
I didn't really have a problem with them, but I get the disappointment. They were expecting closure and got something more mediocre than DXHR endings, which at least had narrative at the end.
I didn't have a problem because I knew what was expected was too broad given the nature of the choices. That and I like dystopian endings.
I didn't really have a problem with them, but I get the disappointment. They were expecting closure and got something more mediocre than DXHR endings, which at least had narrative at the end.
I didn't have a problem because I knew what was expected was too broad given the nature of the choices. That and I like dystopian endings.
Jesus Christ. The entitlement. I'm not saying bow down, because these people are making products for us and surviving on our dollars. At the same time, don't buy their shit. You can't always get what you want in life, or entertainment. God forbid you just stop buying their shit. I refuse to buy this game full price due to their practices. Oh no I didn't get to play it right away! You know how that has affected my life? It didn't. I play something else. Did the same for 2 (me & da). Vote with your dollars and quit being entitled. Nobody owes you shit. Welcome to the real world.
Problem with FO3 story was that they deferred to the open gameplay style, so the storytelling was bare bones and hirelings in the party mostly had no real depth to their story. Say what one will about ME, but at least bother to tell a narrative.
So I just beat the game last night and man did I feel like all I was fighting for was a lie. My femshep ended up
*SPOILERS*
controlling the Reapers so that life could still continue even for the geth, although it seems like everyone would be separated from each other now that all the mass relays are destroyed.
*SPOILERS*
controlling the Reapers so that life could still continue even for the geth, although it seems like everyone would be separated from each other now that all the mass relays are destroyed.
Mass Effect 3 had the worst ending of any game I have ever heard of. The rest of the game is great nonetheless, but I really hope that Bioware pulls a Broken Steel.
Well,I wanted an ending for Mother 3 that didn't rip out my heart and stomp on it,but you didn't see me writing a petition to Nintendo.
Videogames.
Videogames.
I've never even played the series but I feel like, if you spend hundreds of hours across three games, the least you deserve is a satisfying ending. I think the fans are definitely in the right.
Anyone expecting a happy ending wasn't playing the same game series I was. Mass effect has always been a dark story and it absolutely had to have an appropriately dark and hopeless ending to stay true to itself. It did, and it does. Bioware got this one right.
While I will say its a bit much to say that people can do a better job at writing an ending than the script writers. I WILL say that the ending was very poor, and honestly kinda ruined Mass Effect for me at that part. Not all of Mass Effect, but enough at the time to think that ME1 was the only true Mass Effect game.
Kinda like Deus Ex: HR, the developers left us with a multiple choice question when we reach the ending, and leaves a feeling of a rushed and uncared for script. What happened to Mass Effects main feature of choices that affect the outcome? How come everything my Shepard worked for is all thrown away in an instant? And what the fuck is with the logic of the purpose of the reapers and their cycle?!
The ending didn't help wrap up the epic trilogy of Mass Effect, and Shepards adventure. That just left me with several unanswered questions, and then some that were never answered before.
Honestly, I would love to see a better ending to Mass Effect 3 than what I was given. I would rather see a scene of what happens a little later after that fateful battle. Kinda like Dragon Age: Origins that gave a run down of what happened from our choices and actions. Then a scene for those who wanted something happy to occur between Shepard and his/her chosen partner.
I don't know, but I'm sure there are plenty of endings that can be better than what was given, and because of those choices I feel kind of cheated on my money.
Kinda like Deus Ex: HR, the developers left us with a multiple choice question when we reach the ending, and leaves a feeling of a rushed and uncared for script. What happened to Mass Effects main feature of choices that affect the outcome? How come everything my Shepard worked for is all thrown away in an instant? And what the fuck is with the logic of the purpose of the reapers and their cycle?!
The ending didn't help wrap up the epic trilogy of Mass Effect, and Shepards adventure. That just left me with several unanswered questions, and then some that were never answered before.
Honestly, I would love to see a better ending to Mass Effect 3 than what I was given. I would rather see a scene of what happens a little later after that fateful battle. Kinda like Dragon Age: Origins that gave a run down of what happened from our choices and actions. Then a scene for those who wanted something happy to occur between Shepard and his/her chosen partner.
I don't know, but I'm sure there are plenty of endings that can be better than what was given, and because of those choices I feel kind of cheated on my money.
I know it sounds dramatic Jim...but it is that bad. I don't think it's arrogant to demand a better ending when it basically invalidates everything you've done during that game and the previous two. I don't mind game endings being dramatic or sad with a tragic hero, but this was the most poorly executed end to a game/trilogy I've seen in any medium.
im having a shitload of fun with it, doing all the side-mission, talking to everyone i can, and reading every codex entry there is ( this is my first mass effect game)there hasn't been a single dissapointing thing so far, i personally don't care that much about the endings, even if they suck i had fun with the game, it was worth my money imo.
but i can clearly understand where these guys are coming from, this was supposed to be the epic ending to the ME trilogy and it isn't great at all, kinda renembers me of C&C4.... so yeah i'ven there and i know how it feels.
but i can clearly understand where these guys are coming from, this was supposed to be the epic ending to the ME trilogy and it isn't great at all, kinda renembers me of C&C4.... so yeah i'ven there and i know how it feels.
ugh, why did you have to link to that poll? that ending is no better than the ones in the game, nor is it even feasible, as is assumes that the reapers can be beaten through conventional means, which is NOT possible. the ending definitely needs to be completely reworked, but not in the manner mentioned in that poll.
Everybody knows that ME3 should have ended with Shepard marrying Garrus in a beach wedding and everybody, including the reapers, was invited. And then everybody starts doing the twist while the Beach Boys plays at the reception.
Because nothing says happy ending like a Beach Party Film ending.
Because nothing says happy ending like a Beach Party Film ending.
You know what makes a story a story? THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T FUCKING ALTER IT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. You didn't write it, it's not a choice, therefore you're not entitled to a happier ending. Seriously, since when did fanboys (and fangirls!) get so freaking entitled?!
I have no problem with Shepard dying, but I would agree that the lack of an epilogue is lame. Whether a 2 minute narration or text paragraph, anything would've satisfied me. It just cuts to credits without so much of a "And the Krogan waged war on the Salarians because fuck the genophage. Too bad Eve wasn't alive to keep them in check!"
The ending itself was fine. The Reaper invasion was a bleak, unhopeful event that the entire race of Protheans couldn't even conquer (they were far more advanced than any current race in Mass Effect) - what do people expect the conclusion to be? Magically, humans can do what the Prothean's don't?
As for the effort that went into the epilogue, I can understand the disappointment. Bioware have been degrading the last five years, especially in terms of worthwhile story-telling. In Dragon Age: Origins, you get an incredibly detailed ending. You basically find out what happened to every single person you meet, regardless of whether or not they're a nobody NPC. There's like 100 different possible combinations.
With Mass Effect 3, they give you a one minute ending to send you off from being a fan for potentially five years in the series. Content wise the ending makes sense, but I can see the lack of effort and closure for fans.
As for the effort that went into the epilogue, I can understand the disappointment. Bioware have been degrading the last five years, especially in terms of worthwhile story-telling. In Dragon Age: Origins, you get an incredibly detailed ending. You basically find out what happened to every single person you meet, regardless of whether or not they're a nobody NPC. There's like 100 different possible combinations.
With Mass Effect 3, they give you a one minute ending to send you off from being a fan for potentially five years in the series. Content wise the ending makes sense, but I can see the lack of effort and closure for fans.
Meh.. Just because, "someone" has a job that details writing narative, or writing stories whether it be a game, a novel, or movie/play does not mean you are fit for the job. I've played plenty of games where the story, or stories in question just were dull, flat, and for all intensive purposes "sucked." There may very well be some fans who can write better then the said selected writers. You never know. From I know of Mrs. Hepler, alone I know for a fact that almost anyone could write better then her. Even a grade school author who writes children books could. Then again I have standards. Whether I'm outdated or not is another topic for a later discussion.
Also to those nulls (yes, I call them for what they are; conditioned cattle, nulls of little worth) the whole "self entitlment" bandwagon is infintile at best. It's like whipping out the line "get a job" at someone who says that ten dollars or even two, or three dollars is outrageous for some petty content. Atleast that person has a sense of surrounding, and understanding. They do not blindly follow like sheep, or drones. To the nulls I say - "headbutt a bullet."
Also to those nulls (yes, I call them for what they are; conditioned cattle, nulls of little worth) the whole "self entitlment" bandwagon is infintile at best. It's like whipping out the line "get a job" at someone who says that ten dollars or even two, or three dollars is outrageous for some petty content. Atleast that person has a sense of surrounding, and understanding. They do not blindly follow like sheep, or drones. To the nulls I say - "headbutt a bullet."
The word "entitled" is getting on my fucking nerves. The people who repeat that word over and over are more annoying than even the "entitled" people.
I liked the ending, I would have just liked to know what the hell happened to the crew.
Oh well, great game.
Oh well, great game.
@VicYoungblood
Except you DO kind of write it, that's the concept of the choices BioWare put into the game, creating YOUR story.
Except you DO kind of write it, that's the concept of the choices BioWare put into the game, creating YOUR story.
OMG that header! XD
This is fucking stupid. ME3 fans are officially full-retards.
I like Bioware games a lot, but this level of dedication and fetishized worship is completely beyond me. I might understand if people petitioned to have the end of Bioshock changed, but even that is just pathetic.
This is fucking stupid. ME3 fans are officially full-retards.
I like Bioware games a lot, but this level of dedication and fetishized worship is completely beyond me. I might understand if people petitioned to have the end of Bioshock changed, but even that is just pathetic.
I don't so much want a happier ending as i want multiple endings, bio ware said they wouldn't pigeon-hole us into one generic ending that everyone gets. but they did exactly that there is one ending that has a few very slight alternatives such as what colour is the pretty light that shines into the galaxy. im sorry if im wrong to have expected my choices to have more of an impact on weather i get a red light or a green light but to be honest i find this pathetic and expected better from bioware.
A happy ending would have been bullshit, but the current ending is as well. I'd love to have seen what happened after the crash even if it was just text about it.
Oh wait, I might see that through the wonderful invention of DLC.
Oh wait, I might see that through the wonderful invention of DLC.
Or at least have the crew have a drink and talk about Shep or something. Ugh.
There were many emotional moments. I damn near cryed at the first time of any media when Tali killed herself. But that ending was just... Cold.
There were many emotional moments. I damn near cryed at the first time of any media when Tali killed herself. But that ending was just... Cold.
People that are going 'oh, they feel so entitled' or 'oh, the ending works', I refer you to the articles where the game devs said the ending we got would be based on the choices we made.
The choices. Not 'the choice'. The choices.
Clearly, the ending was supposed to be something else, something better...but that didn't happen.
The gamers of the mass effect series invested a lot of time, hung onto their saved games for each title, created different Shepards for different run-throughs to see where alternate decisions would take us.
Only, in the end, to be told that 'well, that's all swell, but nothing you did mattered. We said it would, gave every indication it would, but in the end it didn't.'
This is the first time in my 22 years of gaming I've seen this many peole come together on something so fast. You can expect people to not like the game, you can expect people that dislike the way endings are handled...it happens with every game. But normally...normally these people are in the minority in a series this big.
This time, they are the majority. That should tell you something; it's not 'entitlement'...I'm sure there are some, but it's most definitely not the bulk.
The choices. Not 'the choice'. The choices.
Clearly, the ending was supposed to be something else, something better...but that didn't happen.
The gamers of the mass effect series invested a lot of time, hung onto their saved games for each title, created different Shepards for different run-throughs to see where alternate decisions would take us.
Only, in the end, to be told that 'well, that's all swell, but nothing you did mattered. We said it would, gave every indication it would, but in the end it didn't.'
This is the first time in my 22 years of gaming I've seen this many peole come together on something so fast. You can expect people to not like the game, you can expect people that dislike the way endings are handled...it happens with every game. But normally...normally these people are in the minority in a series this big.
This time, they are the majority. That should tell you something; it's not 'entitlement'...I'm sure there are some, but it's most definitely not the bulk.
stop saying that there's no way the ending could have been happy.
in mass effect 1 we fought a supposedly undefeatably entity, won, and had a happy, triumphant ending. in mass effect 2 we went on a suicide mission, survived, and had a happy, triumphant ending. why could it not happen in 3?
the ending is terrible anyway, regardless of how happy or unhappy it was.
in mass effect 1 we fought a supposedly undefeatably entity, won, and had a happy, triumphant ending. in mass effect 2 we went on a suicide mission, survived, and had a happy, triumphant ending. why could it not happen in 3?
the ending is terrible anyway, regardless of how happy or unhappy it was.
The endings being bad or not is a separate issue for me.
I didn't care much for it, but whatever.
My problem is the fact that the make three games where the driving factors is this specter of player "choice," and you are forcibly funneled into bullshit resolutions, moreso in 3 than any previous game.
That is borderline unacceptable.
I didn't care much for it, but whatever.
My problem is the fact that the make three games where the driving factors is this specter of player "choice," and you are forcibly funneled into bullshit resolutions, moreso in 3 than any previous game.
That is borderline unacceptable.
I haven't made it to the ending yet but I really hate the "fan" complaints with this game. The argument that your choices don't matter is pretty pointless, they do. I guess people were somehow expecting that their choices would change the entire story arc? Playing through the game I constantly felt like my choices made an impact on the world around me, I didn't expect them to alter the entire fucking plot though so I guess my standards are pretty low.
I can agree with the argument that some corners were cut for this game, but that's it. The complaints in regards to the story leave me with the impression that these people just made up their own ideas of what Bioware would do with the games.
I can agree with the argument that some corners were cut for this game, but that's it. The complaints in regards to the story leave me with the impression that these people just made up their own ideas of what Bioware would do with the games.
I was very disappointed in the ending, and I sincerley hope Bioware fixes it. If they do, great, thanks, that's much better. If they don't, then they obviously don't want any more of my preorders or my money. I don't feel entitled to anything but a good game for my money.
I love the series but the ending was pretty shitty.. I counted that I've poured over 120 hours to this trilogy and all I got was basically: shitty ending, shitty ending and little bit less shitty ending. I have no beef with Shepard being dead but little more closure would have been nice like ME2 gave us. It showed clearly at the end who survived and gave hints about the future.
The endings were okay, but not what I was hoping for. I don't care about some old man. I want to know if I am stilling fucking Tali.
With ME1 BW brought us into a world of consequences. You're every choice mattered, sometimes in surprising ways. The story was a fight against inevitability. With 2 our choices from 1 mattered and we had to weigh our choices for 3. Think through whether we should do this or that, agonizing over whether I should save the base in case we needed the tech even though it seemed so wrong. I mean I wondered that if I blew the base up would I be dooming humanity in 3. In the lead up I wondered would I have to choose geth or quarian? krogan or turian etc. I went out hitting every system maxing my assets. Not playing MP because Blech but still maxing everything else. Doing every side mission etc. I planned on running through 3 at least 5-6 more times even planned on going back to 2 after seeing what options I missed in previous saves and wanting to see how they made 3 different. THEN I GET TO THE END... and disbelief, sadness. This is what the end is? No let me reload and redo the last part I just picked the wrong option...nope same ok let’s try option 3....nope same. You die she dies galaxy FUBAR etc. Ok ok let me check the start guide uhhuh YouTube? Forums? OH my god how could they do this? This is so tacked on what the etc. etc.
Here's the deal. I’m a HUGE BW fan boy. Played every game since Kotor, got multiple CE'S for their games Lol got 2 swtor CE'S (1 me 1 for wife) Paid for 2 6months subs to swtor. Got every dlc for me and da. Actually like DA2 and enjoying Swtor.I own every book and during the midnight release I saw ME3 shirts, bought 2 and the hat. Seriously I’m a BW Fan boy. BUT THIS IS WRONG. These endings are just bad. Tacked on. Yeah I want the "Disney ending, walk off into the sunset with my LI" why? Because life sucks enough without having my escape from reality (i.e. video games) sucking as well. If I wanted this kind of ending I just wouldn’t have played.
Here's the deal. I’m a HUGE BW fan boy. Played every game since Kotor, got multiple CE'S for their games Lol got 2 swtor CE'S (1 me 1 for wife) Paid for 2 6months subs to swtor. Got every dlc for me and da. Actually like DA2 and enjoying Swtor.I own every book and during the midnight release I saw ME3 shirts, bought 2 and the hat. Seriously I’m a BW Fan boy. BUT THIS IS WRONG. These endings are just bad. Tacked on. Yeah I want the "Disney ending, walk off into the sunset with my LI" why? Because life sucks enough without having my escape from reality (i.e. video games) sucking as well. If I wanted this kind of ending I just wouldn’t have played.
With ME1 BW brought us into a world of consequences. You're every choice mattered, sometimes in surprising ways. The story was a fight against inevitability. With 2 our choices from 1 mattered and we had to weigh our choices for 3. Think through whether we should do this or that, agonizing over whether I should save the base in case we needed the tech even though it seemed so wrong. I mean I wondered that if I blew the base up would I be dooming humanity in 3. In the lead up I wondered would I have to choose geth or quarian? krogan or turian etc. I went out hitting every system maxing my assets. Not playing MP because Blech but still maxing everything else. Doing every side mission etc. I planned on running through 3 at least 5-6 more times even planned on going back to 2 after seeing what options I missed in previous saves and wanting to see how they made 3 different. THEN I GET TO THE END... and disbelief, sadness. This is what the end is? No let me reload and redo the last part I just picked the wrong option...nope same ok let’s try option 3....nope same. You die she dies galaxy FUBAR etc. Ok ok let me check the start guide uhhuh YouTube? Forums? OH my god how could they do this? This is so tacked on what the etc. etc.
Here's the deal. I’m a HUGE BW fan boy. Played every game since Kotor, got multiple CE'S for their games Lol got 2 swtor CE'S (1 me 1 for wife) Paid for 2 6months subs to swtor. Got every dlc for me and da. Actually like DA2 and enjoying Swtor.I own every book and during the midnight release I saw ME3 shirts, bought 2 and the hat. Seriously I’m a BW Fan boy. BUT THIS IS WRONG. These endings are just bad. Tacked on. Yeah I want the "Disney ending, walk off into the sunset with my LI" why? Because life sucks enough without having my escape from reality (i.e. video games) sucking as well. If I wanted this kind of ending I just wouldn’t have played.
Here's the deal. I’m a HUGE BW fan boy. Played every game since Kotor, got multiple CE'S for their games Lol got 2 swtor CE'S (1 me 1 for wife) Paid for 2 6months subs to swtor. Got every dlc for me and da. Actually like DA2 and enjoying Swtor.I own every book and during the midnight release I saw ME3 shirts, bought 2 and the hat. Seriously I’m a BW Fan boy. BUT THIS IS WRONG. These endings are just bad. Tacked on. Yeah I want the "Disney ending, walk off into the sunset with my LI" why? Because life sucks enough without having my escape from reality (i.e. video games) sucking as well. If I wanted this kind of ending I just wouldn’t have played.
This crap is getting crazy.. I seriously hope BioWare says "No, this is the ending you've been given, live with it." If they cave, honestly, its just as bad for the industry as the fans who think they can --and should-- put all this effort into rising up and trying to get something so monumentally stupid changed in the first place. Rise up and change Online passes, or the way Capcom handles DLC.. But the ending of a game, let alone a series? High horses are high.
Besides, as much as I like Mass Effect, all the endings to both the prior games have been absolute shit --if this games ending is that bad, its just following tradition. I don't remember a whole lot of press and pressure to get that retarded Human Reaper baby changed...
If they do cave (and seriously, I wish they won't --hell, I wish they'd not do it in retaliation to all the entitled bitches that bitched about whats-her-faces writing, when she didn't even write for this game) then I hope its an optional free DLC, or added in some way that is completely optional.. Because I'm not getting the game yet, but I'll want to see the original ending whenever I do..
@Lydeck
I hate to say its not telling at all when that poll is a fan on BioWares own forum.. Why? Because thats where all the BioWare fans who think the company is great while also thinking its the devil risen from the cage, hang out. Its the epitome of "entitled masses" over there a lot of the time.
@arkane9
Only if Garrus can keep doing his calibrations.. Those are important.
Besides, as much as I like Mass Effect, all the endings to both the prior games have been absolute shit --if this games ending is that bad, its just following tradition. I don't remember a whole lot of press and pressure to get that retarded Human Reaper baby changed...
If they do cave (and seriously, I wish they won't --hell, I wish they'd not do it in retaliation to all the entitled bitches that bitched about whats-her-faces writing, when she didn't even write for this game) then I hope its an optional free DLC, or added in some way that is completely optional.. Because I'm not getting the game yet, but I'll want to see the original ending whenever I do..
@Lydeck
I hate to say its not telling at all when that poll is a fan on BioWares own forum.. Why? Because thats where all the BioWare fans who think the company is great while also thinking its the devil risen from the cage, hang out. Its the epitome of "entitled masses" over there a lot of the time.
@arkane9
Only if Garrus can keep doing his calibrations.. Those are important.
Dicken's rewrote the ending to Great Expectations to suit his readerbase. Even now, the second ending is generally regarded as better (for some reason or another). I dunno, it's not like a precedent for thsi sort of thing doesn't exist. I haven't played ME3, but I don't get the impression that bleakness is the only problem here
I haven't made it to the ending yet but I really hate the "fan" complaints with this game. The argument that your choices don't matter is pretty pointless, they do. I guess people were somehow expecting that their choices would change the entire story arc? Playing through the game I constantly felt like my choices made an impact on the world around me, I didn't expect them to alter the entire fucking plot though so I guess my standards are pretty low.
I can agree with the argument that some corners were cut for this game, but that's it. The complaints in regards to the story leave me with the impression that these people just made up their own ideas of what Bioware would do with the games.
I can agree with the argument that some corners were cut for this game, but that's it. The complaints in regards to the story leave me with the impression that these people just made up their own ideas of what Bioware would do with the games.
Wow, I never thought there could be a fanbase worse than that of Final Fantasy's, but here you go. I feel ashamed to like BioWare games now.
Personally, I liked that the endings all dramatically change the way the galaxy is instead of doing the mega happy ending, having nothing change in the universe and everyone being better people because of our jaunt through the wide, wonderful galaxy.
My only question has to do with the huge, gaping plot hole (SPOILERS): How did Joker know to run from the explosion presumably before it began?
My only question has to do with the huge, gaping plot hole (SPOILERS): How did Joker know to run from the explosion presumably before it began?
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