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Marvel Vs Capcom 3 Matlockery: Tastunoko Vs Capcom to become Marvel Vs Capcom 3? photo

As many long time gamers know, Capcom used to hold the rights to create games based on Marvel comics. It was at that time that they created what is perhaps the greatest cross-over fighting game of all time. Marvel Vs Capcom 2; a triple tag team fighter featuring over fifty of the companies' greatest characters. The amount of variety in the game's roster is simply dizzying. Not even Smash Bros Brawl can claim to have the same level of dream-match, cross-over craziness as Marvel Vs Capcom 2

Despite it being Y2K, a year when the 3D fighting game were king, Marvel Vs Capcom 2 was still hugely popular. Then, out of nowhere, it the series just died. Capcom wasn't even allowed to press more discs of Marvel Vs Capcom 2 for the PS2 and Xbox, causing the few copies of the game released in stores to suddenly become worth big money. The series seemed truly over, and with its passing died a little bit of the soul of every 2D fighting game devotee. 

If any of this strikes a chord for you, then I have good news. Your soul may be saved this day. I've Matlocked a butt-load of evidence that has led me to believe that Marvel Vs Capcom 3 is coming to the USA and to Europe, probably on the Wii, and most likely in 2009. Hit the jump for the details. 

Exhibit A: Capcom needs a way to release Tatsunoko Vs Capcom outside of Japan

If you care enough about Capcom fighting games to even be reading this article, then you know that this December, Capcom is set to release Tatsunoko Vs Capcom on the Wii in Japan. The game is a cross-over fighter just like a Marvel Vs Capcom game except with various characters from Japanese animation studio Tatsunoko in place of the Marvel comics icons. This makes sense for the Japanese market, as Tatsunoko's animation has been a part of the Japanese psyche since the 1970's, where Marvel comics are only now beginning to gain some popularity in the Manga obsessed country. 

As much as Capcom USA may want Tatsunoko Vs Capcom localized, it's just not likely to happen. In a TGS meetings with "multiple (Capcom) representatives", Spencer from Siliconera was told that due to the North American licensing issues, a game with all that Tastunoko magic going on just wasn't possible to publish outside of Japan. 

That's terrible news to non-Japanese fans of Tastunoko characters like Gatchaman and Casshern, but it's incredible news for fans of Marvel Vs Capcom 2. In order to get around all the red tape, Capcom could swap out the Tatsunoko characters for Marvel characters for a fairly low cost, a cost they would probably make back quikcly via the sale of Marvel Vs Capcom 3. But does Capcom of Japan even want to make a new Marvel Vs Capcom game? Well by gum, I reckon they do. Just check Exhibit B and see for yourself!

Exhibit B: Capcom of Japan wants Marvel Vs Capcom 3 to happen

Just recently, Street Fighter IV's producer stated that he'd want to make a new Marvel Vs Capcom. He even said that he met with Marvel at Comic Con 2008, and though he coyly states that nothing is happening between the two companies yet, that he'd certainly like that to change. 

It's an answer you'd expect from a guy who wants to get people talking, but doesn't want to draw too much attention away from his current project. If Marvel Vs Capcom 3 is definitely going to happen, the time to announce it would not be while doing press for the build up to Street Fighter IV. But what if you worked for another company involved in the Marvel Vs Capcom 3 project, one that could speak more freely without caring of how it will affect the press and the sales of Street Fighter IV? Well, you'd probably get something like Exhibit C...  

Exhibit C: Marvel says it's happening

At this years San Diego Comi-Con, the President of Marvel Studios just came out and said that Marvel Vs Capcom 3 is happening. This is significant for a couple of reasons. For one, it's info coming from a non-videogame related source, and is therefore more credible. For whatever reason, videogame developers and publishers always lie about what they're up to, which is why we often have to turn to the ESRB, the comic book, or the movie industry for reliable inside info on what they're planning (I'm looking at you, Gary Oldman).

Secondly, the fact that the guy even knew what the hell Marvel Vs Capcom 3 is evidence that he's got some familiarity with the series, which tells us he knows about what makes a good Marvel game. In the past, Marvel's dealing with videogame companies was handled by second party negotiators, people who lacked any creative connection to Marvel's characters or interest in videogames in general. It was under their watch in 2004 that EA was handed the rights to start making Marvel games, which lead to the crappy-ass fighter Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects.  After that snooze-fest was released, it made fighting games fans all the more hungry for the return a real Marvel fighting game, which would probably require someone other than EA publishing the it. That brings us to Exibit D...

Exhibit D: EA lost the liscense to make Marvel games in early 2008

There was a direct correlation between the end of Marvel's relationship with Capcom and the start of their relationship with EA. Though I have not the evidence to prove it, it stands to reason that the EA and Capcom deals couldn't exist at the same time. This is perhaps due to the fact that EA's deal and Capcom's deal were for the same characters. Both were for use of the entire core Marvel comic book universe, as opposed to the rights to make games based on Marvel movies which is owned by various game publishers, or the rights to the Ultimate Marvel line of characters which is owned by Activision.

So if EA lost the rights to make games with core Marvel comic characters, can you guess who has them now? Here's a hint, it like Moc-Pac, only backwards.

Exhibit E: Marvel Vs Capcom 2 is now listed on the ESRB for the PS3 and the 360 

Remember when I was saying that you often have to look to non-videogame related sources to find out what game developers are up to? Well, the ESRB is probably number one on the list of those sources, as they require game developers to submit their games for review far before the game's are ready to be released. That's how we found out about Beautiful Katamari coming to the 360, how we found out the Pikmin Japanese Wii re-releases were coming stateside, and so on.

In this case, the ESRB has told us not only that Marvel Vs Capcom 2 is being re-released, but in doing so has told us that Capcom has regained the rights to publish a games based on Marvel characters. Like I said before, Capcom had to stop making money off Marvel Vs Capcom 2 when they lost the rights to make game's with Marvel characters. If Marvel Vs Capcom 2 is to be released on the 360 and the PS3, that means that Capcom must have the rights to make games with Marvel characters again, which means that legally, nothing is stopping them from making Marvel Vs Capcom 3

Conclusion 

Capcom needs to get rid of the Tatsunoko characters in Tatsunoko Vs Capcom in order to release the game outside of Japan. Capcom of Japan wants to make Marvel Vs Capcom 3. Marvel says that Marvel Vs Capcom 3 is coming soon. EA has lost the rights to make games with Marvel comic's characters, and Capcom has regained them. All the evidence is there. Unless there is some fluke accident where a Marvel rep. accidentally poops on the desk of a Capcom Japan executive, Marvel Vs Capcom 3 will be made. The most logical way to make it would be from from the guts of Tatsunoko Vs Capcom, which means it will be on the Wii (and maybe other consoles), and coming to the USA no sooner than 2009 (probably after Street Fighter IV comes out, as to keep Capcom for directly competing with itself). 

Now the only thing worth speculating on is which Tatsunoko characters will be swapped out for which Marvel characters. My guess is the Tastunoko guy made out of little yellow rocks will be replaced by the Marvel guy made out of little yellow rocks, and that Tastunoko guy in the skin spandex suit with the big muscles will be replaced by the Marvel in the skin spandex suit with the big muscles. Man, speculating is hard work.

Just you wait and see, folks! Matlock has spoken!


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Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 19:34
Crunshii
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! PLZZZZZ GOD O MIGHTY BRING IT!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!

Ive been BEGGING for this game to come for over 10 years! as so do many others! PLZ CAPCOM HEED OUR WORDS AND BRING US THE GLORY!!!
Shin Ra's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 19:40
Shin Ra
everybody so excited i'm too 4 the sheer thought of another MvsC but we all know something going to happen an MvsC its not giong to see the light of day perhaps 4 another 3-4 yr. you all feel it nagging at the back of your mind! EMBRACE it its not happening.
shouryuuken's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 19:40
shouryuuken
@crunshii: dang youve been beggin for mvc 3 before the first one came out?! now thats foresight!
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 19:41
B-Radicate
MvC2 re-release: no thanks, I have the Dreamcast version.
MvC3: big ol' FUCK YES!
ArchArbiter's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 19:44
ArchArbiter
Let's hope it's better than MVC2.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 19:48
Necros
I follow your matlocking logic in the article, though I really don't see the need of the post when Marvel already confirmed the game was coming. However, to compare Smash Bros. with any fighting game is ridiculous seeing as it's not a fighting game. The fighting genre is, unfortunately, very rigid in its design principles, and when you look at Smash Bros.'s mechanics, it's really a multiplayer platformer. The audience that plays such a platformer with limited moves in a party setting is very different from the audience that learns advanced moves, counters, and frame animations in an arcade fighter.
Edco's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 19:53
Edco
<fingers tapping fingers> Excellent.

Let's just hope it all comes to fruition.
Coldbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 20:19
Coldbrand
...I want both.
keener's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 20:24
keener
make. this. happen.
DynamicSheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 20:49
DynamicSheep
I hope that this time, we aren't taken for a ride during the fighter select screen.
Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 22:32
Joseph Leray
@Necros -- yes, it's coming. But Holmes' point is that it will be based on the TvC engine.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 23:18
Necros
@ Orcist

I just don't see how that's matlocking when it's pure speculation. His evidence was "Capcom USA wants TvC in America, Marvel announced MvC, and Capcom probably has the Marvel license, so TvC will become MvC!" That's not finding hidden info or reading between the lines, that's just speculation. If he's right, yay, but I'd hardly call it actual matlocking; it's just guesswork.
Archanai's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 23:22
Archanai
What Scrixx said.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 23:45
catsithx
Gonna take you for a ride! lol I did hate that song to. I can't wait for that game. Oh yeah it will be release for all the systems of course because Capcom wants to make money so it will be release for each one. So that will mean millions for capcom. Anyway I off to dust off my Dreamcast and go play some MvC2 oh yeah good times are here again bitching.
Venomex's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/13/2008 23:49
Venomex
I would give the internets for the box art being M. Bison holding the Infinite Cube.

I hope it involves Galactus somehow. He could select a Capcom-er to be his new hearld and you fight them as a miniboss.

*goes back to wishfully thinking*
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 00:08
Dan CiTi
I want Tastunko characters though. I can play MvC2 on PS3 through PSN or on my Dreamcast.
cragga's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 00:49
cragga
If Marvel Vs Capcom 2 is to be released on the 360 and the PS3, that means that Capcom must have the rights to make games with Marvel characters again, which means that legally, nothing is stopping them from making Marvel Vs Capcom 3.

I'm glad you have such familiarity with the terms of current and past contracts that i'm going to assume (rightly) that you never read, you know you can stipulate things like releasing old games rather than developing new ones?

gah.

i suppose this is a blog though
Ironmask's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 02:07
Ironmask
AWSOME!!!
Vitamin Awesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 03:38
Vitamin Awesome
Man, this and MvC2 being confirmed by the ESRB makes me insanely.... what's the word.... excited for fighting games. 2008 has been very kind to the genre so far.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 06:34
Jonathan Holmes
@ Cragga- That's true, Capcom could have just run a contract with Marvel to released MvC2 without allowing for a new games to be made with Marvel characters. Sadly, Capcom doesn't give me info on their past and current contracts without signing a NDA. So even if I had read their new contracts, I couldn't tell you that I did.

I can, however, report on information if it's already public knowledge, which you have already read in this very blog.

@ Nercros-

" Lighten up before your arteries harden." - Kanada, from Akira.
DGX Goggles's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 07:25
DGX Goggles
NEW

AGE

OF

HEROES
infinity's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 10:23
infinity
include dante from DMC on the capcom side and maybe silver surfer on the marvel side, and i'm in.

hell, i'd be in anyway. HYPER COMBO FINIIIIIISH! K.O.
Cyberxion's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 11:24
Cyberxion
@ NotAZombie

Really? I'm pretty sure I'd buy MvsC3 if it hit the Wii.
Cyberxion's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 11:28
Cyberxion
By the way, if anyone is looking for a copy of MvsC2 for the XBox, there's like three of them over at my local Gamestop. I don't know why you wouldn't just hold out to see if the relisting of MvsC2 bears fruit, but if you're eager to play it now, just hop on a bus and come to Santa Fe. We've got plenty to go around.
lojanito23's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 11:34
lojanito23
This sux that Ninty don't get good games...it's not their fault though..

Read this:

http://www.gameroks.com/2008/10/jaykam-opina-stop-blaming-ninteno/
el_chack's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 12:58
el_chack
Jonathan, you impress me! Your investigation was quite awesome, and Marvel vs Capcom 3 may be a reality, I really hope so, MvsC2 is a great game (full of cheap characters, but great game still).

Congratulations for this article of yours!
Zen Albatross's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 14:18
Zen Albatross
My process of deduction has led to similar conclusions. I wouldn't even mind the Tatsunoko characters being removed - It's all about the gameplay!

IT'S MAHVEL BAYBEE!!!
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 15:42
TrailerParkJesus
I'm really excited for all this except for that little bit about the Wii. Seriously Capcom, don't fucking waste your time. You've got more fighting game fans on the other two systems.
Tron Knotts's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/14/2008 16:19
Tron Knotts
el_chack just may be the nicest muther fucker on the planet.
Tamz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2008 13:23
Tamz
I read this once a week just to keep myself from going insane.
T12U's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/11/2008 00:54
T12U
This shit is not gonna be on the Wii. A fighting game of this caliber needs a better platform made for multi-action sequences that I do not see the Wii being able to deliver. PS3 and the 360 seems more fit. But if this game will actually come out in the future, it's probably gonna be on a multi platform distribution. I just hope they stick with the same battle engine/style as MVC2 or rather a revamped version of it. Let's hope it's not gonna be in 3-D style models as imo 3-D are for the newer Street Fighter series. All in all, Capcom is the best of the best when it comes to developing fighting games. Magneto/Storm/Psylock FTW!!!
golbot's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 00:28
golbot
MVC2 is the best game ever.. hopefully they keep a game engine like that for mvc3. Capcom vs tatsunoku is too slow compared to mvc2.
Conan-san's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2009 12:59
Conan-san
The ERSB can't be trusted anymore, not after the end of Earthbound.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/22/2009 11:23
fetusmilk
god damnit stop making games for the wii only. such a waste of money and time.
Just Another Juke's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/28/2009 08:06
Just Another Juke
My friend work at capcom and coming from him he says that it is posible that it would be coming out but not with the amount of characters they are coming out with in the second game so its in talks right now so just pray that it might happen but without the 49217489 of characters in it
Mesoian's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/04/2009 09:03
Mesoian
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-02-24/report/tatsunoko-marvel-aim-for-joint-tv-anime-in-3-years

It's happening. But not for a long, long, LONG time.
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2009 22:25
nilcam
Capcom will have to speed up the engine to keep the Mahvel fans happy. They like it fast, furious and mostly out of control.
shiningforce316's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/01/2009 14:31
shiningforce316
To me I'm all for the topic that was discussed on Retroforce that would benefit Capcom and another company quite well. CAPCOM VS ATLUS !!!!
Noah's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 01:12
Noah
So could MVC2 come to XBLA?

Also....CASSHERN!!!!!!!!
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