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Man sells Steam account for $1,000 on eBay photo

Has this ever happened before? Just like the headline says, a man put his Steam account for sale on eBay, essentially beating the system and finding a way to sell secondhand games via the digital distribution platform. It appears to have worked out very well, too.

139 games were up for grabs, and somebody actually bit, stumping up $1,000 for the "Buy It Now" price. It seems that the seller, "dave311freak," has inspired some other hopeful Steam merchants, as two more Steam accounts have popped up for sale, albeit with significantly less to offer. Dave, for his part, said he wanted to sell the account to spend more time with his family and less time playing games. For $1,000, you can take your family somewhere pretty cool.

In any case, this is an interesting new development in the realm of digital distribution. One of the big problems people have with digital games is the inability to sell them when you're finished. Seems this chap has found the perfect loophole. 

Steam Account with 139 Games Worth Over $2,700!!! NR!!! [eBay]








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Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:09
Klarden
seems like a good way to ban an account
wlodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:11
wlodi
Huh, too bad this guy didn't read Steam EULA. It clearly states that "You may not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account." So the guy who bought it for 1000 $ will be disappointed, because the account will be closed, it seems. I think that's a really stupid rule by Valve, but we will see what happens next...
Cyber34's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:18
Cyber34
You know this sort of thing has been going on for a long time now, since like, the days of early mmo's. It's almost always against the EULA, but people still do it.
Rhodri Fabbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:19
Rhodri Fabbro
Oh ho ho ho, Look at the viewer feedback from the guy who bought it.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=dave311freak&iid=-1&de=off&items=100
Minamu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:21
Minamu
I'm sure the account will get banned within days, if not sooner. I very much doubt it that Valve allows accounts to be sold like that. Unless, of course, the account name is only given out in secrecy, I suppose.
Kvb's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:21
Kvb
Pretty sure the account got closed.

The buyer left negative feedback:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=dave311freak&&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
X3Ent3nte's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:22
X3Ent3nte
wow i have like 107 games on steam, a lot are AAA titles like fallout 3 bioshock and GTA 4, at least its reassuring to know that if things get desperate i wont have to resort to selling a kidney
Coltronathon5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:23
Coltronathon5000
couldn't the seller be a dick and call customer support or something and steal his account back (under the pretense of it being stolen in the first place)?

also I thought you could "gift" games in steam... wouldn't that let you trade/sell individual copies?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:27
Chris Carter
What an idiot. They covered their asses with that EULA.
X3Ent3nte's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:28
X3Ent3nte
@coltronathon5000 u cant gift a game after youve bought it , u get one license only for ureself and its not transferrable after purchase
Scott Chapman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:38
Scott Chapman
I'm pretty sure a lot of those games were in the recent holiday sales, but ofc he has them listed at full price to make it seem like he's spent much more than he really did. The negative feedback on ebay confirms my suspicions.
DarkEternal's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:43
DarkEternal
@Coltronathon5000:
He's right; when you're in the process of purchasing a game, you can choose to buy it for yourself or as a gift for someone else. You can't 'gift' something you already have.
Archurro's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 08:56
Archurro
How the hell is this news? Selling Steam Accounts has been going on since the creation of Steam.
reindall's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:01
reindall
Nothing new. I know people who create a new Steam account for every game, so that later it can be sold without problems - and they get away with it.

Disregarding the EULA, I believe there is nothing wrong with such actions.
crusnchill's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:02
crusnchill
This's the review the buyer gave to the seller lol."Seller is a SCAMMER DONT BUY!"

So now, not only has the seller illegally sold his games on, he's got an angry customer and Steam have disabled his account. He'll probably have to give back the money and he won't have any games to play.
What a dumbass! LMAO!

This's like that guy who won a Beta code from Giantbomb at PAX and then tryed to sell on the code even though he didn't have it with him and he tryed to do it right next Actiblizzards section of the conference under. Under their noses, to put it lightly. lol.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:17
sheppy
Lots of people have game specific steam accounts and just trade them around freely without Valve being aware. But to put them on Ebay?!? Way to advertise you're breaking TOS, dood.
Skab's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:18
Skab
seems like 1. buy huge steam deals for cheap.
2. go on ebay and put the retail prices, wait for someone to bite.
3. get found out as a scamming asshole.
JiR INC's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:22
JiR INC
physical copies of games over digital anyday.... that way stuff like this may not happen
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:27
TheToiletDuck
Man scams eBay buyer. Where's captain obvious?
Turbofail's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:37
Turbofail
This is the main reason I fucking hate DD, the ability to give old games to people or sell games after you are finished. Until then, boxed versions for me all the way.
Jecurpac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:39
Jecurpac
I wouldn't really call it the perfect loophole. It's only a decent one if you're interested in getting rid of all your games and Valve doesn't find out and ream your account with spiky gauntlet armored fist.
abydos's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:41
abydos
I'm looking forward to the rants the poor winner of that auction will post when Steam disables his account.
Spartan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:45
Spartan
The license goes to the account. On a side note, the whole issues of "ownership" for the rights is a legal issue that has by and large not been addressed in the US courts. It does seem to me that eventually the courts will be forced to address the issue and methinks they will side with the customer on the rights of ownership. This is especially so given the companies always claim "theft" of property regarding IP so using that same logic the account owner has property and consequently the inherent right to sell it.
Blue Odeyssey's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 09:58
Blue Odeyssey
And this is the down side of downloadable platforms, what if I want to sell my account, I have purchased these games, I should therefore have the right to with them as I wish, personally I dislike Steam even though it is good value for money.
MCChampaignMillionaire's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:09
MCChampaignMillionaire
A friend of mine bought a steam account with MW 2 for 30 euro
DaShiz 21's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:15
DaShiz 21
I would say he bought most of these with the holiday sale but from what I see he also dosen't have the Red Faction series so he did not just recently buy the THQ pack. I lol'd @ the buyer's response.
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:17
king kong five
What I don't understand is how the guys over at Steam could tell which account to buy. Anyone know? I mean it's not posted anywhere on the eBay listing.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:27
Xzyliac
So what you're telling me is that we've found a way to resell digital distribution...and they ban it.

Fuck digital.
Jay Me's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:51
Jay Me
I'm sure if you sell it on the quiet, say to a friend then Valve would be none the wiser.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:53
Chronic Logic
Fight da powah!

But yea, reselling digital distribution, how strange and kinda meta.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:53
sheppy
@Turbofail

You know... you may have a point. In fact, let me check the resell value of my copy of The Witcher GOTY edition... $.75, huh? I bought it for $40 though... look, I know this is a great argument to make if you're not a PC gamer. But as a PC gamer, PC games have little to no resell value whatsoever. Especially since you do not know if the previous owner registered that copy you just bought and you might be locked out of the purchase. In other words, in theory there is real value in reselling your PC games when you're done... I just don't know a single place you can do it without hardcore fleecing.

@Xzyliac

It's been banned since the day Steam started. Seriously. Those End User License Agreements have some pretty important information... I suggest a policy to actually read them for all gamers. You'd be surprised how many people are readily agreeing to permanent system damage not being the fault of the developers just because they're too bored to read three pages.

But on the other note, as mentioned above, this guy got banned because he was stupid. Dumb, retarded, emotionally handicapped, and all sorts of "shitty criminal." Like the kind of idiot who shows ID to buy beer before robbing the liquor store kinds of dumb. Because people have been selling steam accounts for a while now. The unspoken rule is "don't waggle your rule-breaking cock in Valve's face and no biggie." There is a common practice for game exclusive steam accounts to sell for when you're done with the game.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:55
RenegadePanda
Explain to me how this is a loophole. He has to sell every game he has purchased in order to sell anything at all.

Well, I'm done with AC2, so I'll just sell all my 360 games. Is this the argument DD is reduced to? Because that's exactly what this guy did.
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 10:57
Stephen Beirne
This is what I hate about digital distribution.
TheGlue29's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:08
TheGlue29
LMAO...the idiot buyer didn't know that the iron fist of Valve would drive itself up his anus for attempting such devilry.

Valve sucks. As a developer and just in general.
Ninja Cameraman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:14
Ninja Cameraman
Having been a ebayer for years all I can say is there are strict rules against selling shit like this. They'll ban you for selling gamesaves let alone a Steam account. I'd bet money at least one of the other accounts up for sale disappears
Ninja Cameraman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:17
Ninja Cameraman
Edit: Didn't make that clear. Ebay does not like the selling of ANYTHING digital. Every non-powerseller that sells a e-book has to say they'll send a disc. Gamesave sellers say they'll ship you a USB stick with the save on it (Which I doubt)
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:18
Elsa
Most EULA agreements cover their asses on this issue... but I personally think that such a sale should be legal. :(
Stonedfox's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:19
Stonedfox
This is why I prefer Good Ole Games; no huge corporate litigation shoving its fist up my ass every time I download a game.
broonor's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:20
broonor
Did no one notice the history of feedback the "buyer" has left? Looks like this seller isn't getting anything sold anyway.
Link
Ninja Cameraman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:29
Ninja Cameraman
@wlodi.

Ok i'll give you a reason why.

Hypothetically, I pre-purchase... lessay Bad Company 2, Mass Effect 2, and Star Trek Online. I make a convincing ad on ebay, craigslist, cheapcycle, everywhere. Being well-advertised big games it'll sell somewhere. for $50 more than retail.

I've just made more profit than Valve.

And I could use that money to keep exploiting this ad-nausem, making a bit more each time.

I've just paid for a new PC with one initial investment of $180

THATS why nobody lets you sell accounts
Brannigans Law's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 11:57
Brannigans Law
It's pretty common for people to steal accounts and try to sell them as well. Happened to a friend once, but he got his account back before it could be sold off.
JFF's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 12:36
JFF
It's make me remember when a sell my first account with HL2 and Counter strike.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 14:09
Los255
Jim, you should sell your account for like $10,000.
Woverine's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 14:14
Woverine
wow @broonor So that guy just buys all this random shit only to never pay and give them negative feedback. It's times like this that I wish sellers still could leave negative feedback.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 14:48
The Silent Protagonist
Yeah, I'm totally sure Steam is going to take stuff like this lying down. People that sell and buy MMO accounts are lower than pondscum, the people selling Steam and other DD accounts are no different. I hope Steam finds the seller and he gets sued, meanwhile I can just laugh at the user as he should have known what he was getting into.

Gamers have a grand difficulty understanding IPs and ownershop. If I write a story, design the game's art and the gameplay, that game is legally mine - I'm just letting you purchase a license to enjoy it. Its not yours and it never will be. You just have data on plastic, pages in a book - you don't own the intellectual property, no matter how much you feel you have a stake in i emotionally.

Simply put: The creators have rights, too.
Enossir's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 15:01
Enossir
hey jim this is for you

Seller is a SCAMMER DONT BUY! Buyer: firedm1 ( 5 ) Jan-15-10 18:59
Steam Account with 139 Games Worth Over $2,700!!! NR!!! (#220538110051) US $1,000.00 View Item
WhiteZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 15:05
WhiteZombie
@ the silent protagonist - whats the difference between selling digital distributions and selling a game to gamestop? absolutely nothing. if he sells the account its not like both people can play the game
ProperlyParanoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 15:18
ProperlyParanoid
Screw digital distribution. I buy my console games, but the day digital distribution is the only way to get games, I'll pirate every single game I want to play.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 15:58
StingingVelvet
@ sheppy

I'm pretty sure you would get a lot more than 75 cents, I have sold some PC games and got decent amounts of money for them.

That said I hardly ever sell games, I like to collect them. Which of course relates to the article because as a collector of boxed games you have control over your collection, you own the games no matter what the EULA says because no one can break in and take them legally and no one will take you to court for playing games you purchased and have a copy of.

Steam though? It's all an account, they can do what they want... Valve is in control of your games, not you. Same thing on Xbox Arcade and similar things.

Support consumer rights, buy your games in boxes, else I fear for the future.
SelfQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 16:12
SelfQ
Mirax = Truth speakage

Digital distribution is the cancer killing freedom.
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