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Parents' fault, agreed.
BUT
MS points are not a "clearly marked price", this is exactly why they exist, to beguile as the the real cost of a purchase. This is the intended result.
BUT
MS points are not a "clearly marked price", this is exactly why they exist, to beguile as the the real cost of a purchase. This is the intended result.
To be fair to the guy, the guy didn't try to make Microsoft pay him back or anything. He just wants the interface changed to match other online stores.
Still kinda asked for it, though. Why did the kid have access to begin with?
Still kinda asked for it, though. Why did the kid have access to begin with?
This is hilarious.. but also scary.
2 games' content being up over 1100, and that's Euro's right? Damn..
2 games' content being up over 1100, and that's Euro's right? Damn..
fucking shit
to beguile the consumer as to the real cost
this is what I get for typing while I am listing to idiots talk about shitting on popcorn.
to beguile the consumer as to the real cost
this is what I get for typing while I am listing to idiots talk about shitting on popcorn.
I can see the point if you just want to pay for a expansion pack for one of his games not knowing you card is now live on that account and you cant get the card off the account easily.
Isn't there an option in the account settings to allow or disallow both online access and Xbox Live Marketplace purchases?
Sam should have set a good example for his son by RTFM and responsibly acting upon the information therein.
Sam should have set a good example for his son by RTFM and responsibly acting upon the information therein.
My kids are 11 months and 3 years old.
I have some time before I have to worry about this shit.....
.....HEY! Wheres My Wallet?!?
I have some time before I have to worry about this shit.....
.....HEY! Wheres My Wallet?!?
This is retarded. Even if you somehow don't block children from buying stuff, it still comes up every single time and asks you what credit card you want to use when you buy points.
You think the points are messed up? Yeah, it is sorta hard to tell what points are actually worth, but even more strange is this.
In USA 19.99 = 1600 MSP
In Canada 19.99 = 1400 MSP
Canada dollar vs US dollar .96 cents on the dollar.
In USA 80 points = 1 dollar.
In Canada, 70 points = 1 Dollar.
Funny thing is that when Canadian Dollar was worth more than the USD, Canadians still paid more for microsoft points.
In USA 19.99 = 1600 MSP
In Canada 19.99 = 1400 MSP
Canada dollar vs US dollar .96 cents on the dollar.
In USA 80 points = 1 dollar.
In Canada, 70 points = 1 Dollar.
Funny thing is that when Canadian Dollar was worth more than the USD, Canadians still paid more for microsoft points.
Note: Read the following in the style of anyone from the Metal Gear series saying "Metal Gear"
PARENTING?!?!??!!?
PARENTING?!?!??!!?
... How the hell did his kid get away with spending over $1400? (£1150 is worth about that much.) You've got to be joking me. What was he even buying? He probably just bought a ton of Microsoft points and then used it for content on FIFA and Call of Duty.
Holy shit, my bank would probably be concerned if I actually started spending that much.
Holy shit, my bank would probably be concerned if I actually started spending that much.
Yeah, there are multiple ways to prevent this from happening, the biggest one being, don't allow your dumbshit kid to access anything you have your credit card tied to. I hate that the world is so insanely stupid nowadays that the government and big companies have to babysit everyone at every step.
In fact I'm glad XBL isn't like iTunes. Having to re-enter your password every 15 minutes is completely stupid if you're responsible and don't need someone holding my hand to make sure no one racks up charges on my card. I don't permanently put my card on anything anymore, I use prepaid cards or wipe my information, and I have alerts sent to my phone for any transaction or withdrawl above 50 cents.
This guy apparently missed several transactions on his statement (each one rings up seperately), because each point purchase is it's own amount and is clearly marked, in real money, how much the transaction will cost for the given amount of points. The whole 'my kid didn't know it was real money' argument serves as nothing more than a testament to how inattentive and braindead your kids actually are.
How much clearer can '800 Microsoft Points - $9.99 + Tax' be?
In fact I'm glad XBL isn't like iTunes. Having to re-enter your password every 15 minutes is completely stupid if you're responsible and don't need someone holding my hand to make sure no one racks up charges on my card. I don't permanently put my card on anything anymore, I use prepaid cards or wipe my information, and I have alerts sent to my phone for any transaction or withdrawl above 50 cents.
This guy apparently missed several transactions on his statement (each one rings up seperately), because each point purchase is it's own amount and is clearly marked, in real money, how much the transaction will cost for the given amount of points. The whole 'my kid didn't know it was real money' argument serves as nothing more than a testament to how inattentive and braindead your kids actually are.
How much clearer can '800 Microsoft Points - $9.99 + Tax' be?
@ maycausecancer.
Don't be too sure. I once put down my controller while browsing marketplace, next thing I know I'm the proud owner of some jetboat racing game courtesy of my baby (around 12 months old at the time). I know, stupid me for linking my card to my account for my own convenience.
Don't be too sure. I once put down my controller while browsing marketplace, next thing I know I'm the proud owner of some jetboat racing game courtesy of my baby (around 12 months old at the time). I know, stupid me for linking my card to my account for my own convenience.
I'm sure his idiot password of 12345678 is easy enough to enter, but people who actually care about having strong passwords don't actually want to enter them all the time.
It's annoying entering my other unique strong password on my iPhone I want to install a free update, but entering my password on my controller every time I did anything would make me stop playing online.
It's annoying entering my other unique strong password on my iPhone I want to install a free update, but entering my password on my controller every time I did anything would make me stop playing online.
The parent should be fined for allowing a minor to play 18 rated games. Just to rub salt in to the wounds.
Yeah no. If you don't want your kid spending your money, don't put your card on his account. Period. Stupid move by a stupid parent.
I remember when a friend of mine got his first cell phone on Verizon. He constantly used the internet on it, not realizing it wasn't free. His parents got a $2000 bill the following month. I tried to use the internet on my t mobile phone but was stopped when it told me I needed a subscription.
See where I'm going with this?
See where I'm going with this?
@mightymacross
Have you ever bought points? Notice how the price of those points is clearly labeled? Yep, if you are spending $1200, you are going to see the cost of those points each time you add points. Father is a fuckhead. He set himself up for this by either being willfully ignorant or simply not caring. What password did he expect MS to ask for when he clearly never bothered to set one in the first place.
Tl;dr
This guy is a fuck and deserves neither a refund nor an apology.
Have you ever bought points? Notice how the price of those points is clearly labeled? Yep, if you are spending $1200, you are going to see the cost of those points each time you add points. Father is a fuckhead. He set himself up for this by either being willfully ignorant or simply not caring. What password did he expect MS to ask for when he clearly never bothered to set one in the first place.
Tl;dr
This guy is a fuck and deserves neither a refund nor an apology.
that 12 year old knew exactly what he was doing. Children aren't as stupid as some people seem to think they are.
Well said, Jim! There's too much parents blaming their kid doing something idiotic on anyone but themselves.
I actually see the point the father was making here. MS do set up their system of payments in a very user-unfriendly way, they always have. I can guarantee this happens more than people think too. Kids are smart and they can figure things out. A password system would be the best or at least to have the option of a password for purchases.
@renegadepanda;not-being-a-smartass--or-anything-but-in-this-day-and-age-what-transaction-wouldnt-be-at-least-50cents?
Hurr durr I entered my credit card information into a game console and didn't realize that it could then be used to buy shit.
The world needs a eugenics program.
The world needs a eugenics program.
Guys a fucking moron. My 10 yr old daughter knows exactly what is up with shit such as this. She wanted an addon for something once and went into the store to look at it. I was watching her closely. When the storefront came up, she looked at it for about 2m min, put the controller down and then walked over and asked if she could use $5 from her allowance for the addon. Kids aren't dumb. Just parents. Sidenote: I totally locked her ass out of online after that incident, just in case.
Before complaining about parents, why don't you try actually being one? Oh wait, you never will be unless you adopt. ;)
@salamagogo
The idea is I know every single transaction instantly. So if my account is hijacked I stop it right away.
...Maybe a cheap soda? You know, the crap WalMart brand?
The idea is I know every single transaction instantly. So if my account is hijacked I stop it right away.
...Maybe a cheap soda? You know, the crap WalMart brand?
If at 12 years old that child was truely not aware he was spending money by buying Microsoft points on his father's credit card, the father should be very concerned. And also should probably have the sense not to give his kid access to money and Internet.
@ElektroDragon
No need for childish quips.
I haven't put my credit card information on my Xbox because it's almost, if not literally, impossible to take it off unless you cancel the card. I buy MS Points at retailers if I want a game off of XBLA.
No need for childish quips.
I haven't put my credit card information on my Xbox because it's almost, if not literally, impossible to take it off unless you cancel the card. I buy MS Points at retailers if I want a game off of XBLA.
Both are tards, the father for even knocking up that gene pool reject known as mom and not being a parent.. Seriously I was sneaky as a kid, I had control and I games the system. Chances are this kid made the account and stole his dad's credit card to do it. But the dad was dumb enough to leave his cards around in the first place. I payed my folks back every penny for what I spent even before I was caught, then again I was a rebel teen not a a little turd spoiled brat. Out makes me fear for our future..
"No need for childish quips."
I like childish quips though.
"Before complaining about parents, why don't you try actually being one? Oh wait, you never will be unless you adopt. ;)"
Or unless yo momma gets ovaries in her throat! OH SNAP
On a more serious and on topic note, yeah, that totally sounds like the guy's own fault. They make it really easy to make impulse purchases but that's no excuse to let a little kid run loose with a device which uses your credit card info.
Really, you would think that would encourage him to be even more careful with it. Maybe next time he can give little Bobby the actual card, and send him to the magic machine in the mall which spits out the little pieces of green paper.
I like childish quips though.
"Before complaining about parents, why don't you try actually being one? Oh wait, you never will be unless you adopt. ;)"
Or unless yo momma gets ovaries in her throat! OH SNAP
On a more serious and on topic note, yeah, that totally sounds like the guy's own fault. They make it really easy to make impulse purchases but that's no excuse to let a little kid run loose with a device which uses your credit card info.
Really, you would think that would encourage him to be even more careful with it. Maybe next time he can give little Bobby the actual card, and send him to the magic machine in the mall which spits out the little pieces of green paper.
To be fair to the parent, unless you remove the card from the system, which would require you to put everything back in whenever you wanna use it, there's no way to prevent someone from using a card saved to the system. They really should set it up so that you can have the option of requiring a password before any transaction can be processed on the card, but there's literally no other option but to remove the card. Also, it's not like there's a big warning that says you can freely charge to a card once it's saved to a system, so I wouldn't expect everyone to know that. I can't really fault the guy at all as he's right that Microsoft needs to allow greater and safer user control over these things and it doesn't seem like he's been a blame-dodging twat.
How about you buy prepaid cards for your kids xbox rather than having your credit card linked to it? I'M A FUCKING GENIUS!
Hmmm sorta torn.....
On the one hand .... sounds like someone needs to do a better job watching their kid. I don't really expect a 12-year old to fully grasp these things.
On the other hand .... There really should be some way of locking the system so things like this don't happen. You know like the Vchip in every TV under the sun, that allows you to set a parenteral lockout PIN at the very least.
If there exists such a thing then MS is off the hook completely in my book. If there doesn't exist such a thing..... then MS should be held accountable due to negligence. Since a PIN would be dropdead easy to implement.
But But But I don't want to have to enter my PIN every time I make a purchase Bro! ...... then don't set it up 'bro'.....
On the one hand .... sounds like someone needs to do a better job watching their kid. I don't really expect a 12-year old to fully grasp these things.
On the other hand .... There really should be some way of locking the system so things like this don't happen. You know like the Vchip in every TV under the sun, that allows you to set a parenteral lockout PIN at the very least.
If there exists such a thing then MS is off the hook completely in my book. If there doesn't exist such a thing..... then MS should be held accountable due to negligence. Since a PIN would be dropdead easy to implement.
But But But I don't want to have to enter my PIN every time I make a purchase Bro! ...... then don't set it up 'bro'.....
I'm sorry, but "Microsoft bucks" are not a clearly labeled price because they're not real fucking money. That's why MS uses them. To fuck people out of money. And yea, there's a reason why iTunes and pretty much other non video game based online store makes you put in your password every time.
Irresponsible parent? Sure. But Microsoft isn't an innocent bystander here. Might we worth actually mentioning this information in the article, Jim instead of just ranting about how good of a parent you are. Just a thought... -_-
Irresponsible parent? Sure. But Microsoft isn't an innocent bystander here. Might we worth actually mentioning this information in the article, Jim instead of just ranting about how good of a parent you are. Just a thought... -_-
Not that I agree with the guy, because he's an idiot, but it sounds like he set up a general XBL Gold account for a kid, when he should have set up a parental controlled child account.
End result is still the same: dude fucked himself over, but it also calls to reason that parents really need to quit ignoring parental controls, since they're there for a reason. Maybe Microsoft is trying to teach parents that the hard way.
Either way, the entire last paragraph of this article gets a +1000 internets, from me. I couldn't agree more: You don't want your kids doing it, do *what you can* to cut off their access to it.
"Which is true, because his twelve-year-old child was playing COD online, for Christ's sake."
CoD is the most bought series ever, and isn't it the most bought series ever in England, to the point where you've pointed it out in a short article at some point? Its hardly surprising then that the kid was playing it, let alone online.
I do love that you called the Daily Mail "the prick paper of stupid" though, that got a big laugh from me.. And actually looking at their article its even worse for the father and the kid then you even paint it, while -I guess- *trying* to blame Microsoft.
Kid thought he was "improving" his characters with "game points".. I'm sorry, kids 12, unless he's some Oliver Twist like pauper, or a child the just fled Scientology, I'd like to assume he had some sense to know that he was buying points from a completely separate space from his game, that they had a dollar (pound in this case) amount attached, and that the content he was buying didn't "improve" anything.
If he didn't have that much sense, then there's a firm vein of stupid running through the Queen's land and she needs to send Prince William in a helicopter to weed it out. Between last year with that one lady calling out Bill Gates, and now this guy, somethings going on here, and I'm actually (weirdly) believing it isn't Microsoft's fault, despite their faults.
End result is still the same: dude fucked himself over, but it also calls to reason that parents really need to quit ignoring parental controls, since they're there for a reason. Maybe Microsoft is trying to teach parents that the hard way.
Either way, the entire last paragraph of this article gets a +1000 internets, from me. I couldn't agree more: You don't want your kids doing it, do *what you can* to cut off their access to it.
"Which is true, because his twelve-year-old child was playing COD online, for Christ's sake."
CoD is the most bought series ever, and isn't it the most bought series ever in England, to the point where you've pointed it out in a short article at some point? Its hardly surprising then that the kid was playing it, let alone online.
I do love that you called the Daily Mail "the prick paper of stupid" though, that got a big laugh from me.. And actually looking at their article its even worse for the father and the kid then you even paint it, while -I guess- *trying* to blame Microsoft.
Kid thought he was "improving" his characters with "game points".. I'm sorry, kids 12, unless he's some Oliver Twist like pauper, or a child the just fled Scientology, I'd like to assume he had some sense to know that he was buying points from a completely separate space from his game, that they had a dollar (pound in this case) amount attached, and that the content he was buying didn't "improve" anything.
If he didn't have that much sense, then there's a firm vein of stupid running through the Queen's land and she needs to send Prince William in a helicopter to weed it out. Between last year with that one lady calling out Bill Gates, and now this guy, somethings going on here, and I'm actually (weirdly) believing it isn't Microsoft's fault, despite their faults.
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