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Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas: Fox report on Mass Effect is saddening

11:57 PM on 01.22.2008, Jim Sterling 237 comments

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Initially, I had no intention of watching this "report," much less posting it on Destructoid, but after reading the transcript on GamePolitics, I finally broke down and sat through the whole sorry affair. Now, I may goof on my research now and again, and I hold my hands up to that, but watching this video is akin to watching a group of men talking about how painful period pains are. These are people with no experience or knowledge whatsoever regarding Mass Effect, trying to pass themselves off as experts and it's finally ground me down to the point of sorrow.
 
It's hard to remain angry about these kinds of ignorant attacks against videogames, because they've become so frequent and so mind bogglingly stupid, that it takes far too much energy to be mad. You just bash your head against a brick wall until your skull is liquid and you've slumped onto the ground, unable to do anything but twitch.  The smug ignorance of Cooper Lawrence as she giggles and grins her way through Geoff Keighley's eloquent and intelligent debate is disgusting, and the way that Geoff's sole voice of reason is effectively squashed in order to hand over to a panel of people who'd clearly never seen more than thirty seconds of game footage is a depressing shame.
 
Most shameful of all, however, is the pitiful reaction of host Martha MacCallum who answered the rightful claim that "it's up to parents to control what their kids are seeing," with "it is, unfortunately."
 
Unfortunately ... it's become unfortunate that parents have to take responsibility for their own flesh and blood. I don't even think I need to point out just how miserable that statement is. I'm at a loss, really. For what it's worth, I think Geoff did an admirable, if futile job, and I'd like to thank both Lawrence and MaCallum for reminding me why misanthropy is almost noble.

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Mr Sexy AZN at 01/22/2008 23:56
fox news will report anything THEY'RE DISPARATE
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Cameron300ZXTT at 01/22/2008 23:57
Yea, the news is always one sided, which is why you should never believe anything you see on TV.

This just shows how ignorant people are. Apparently they would be happy if all of our rights were taken away so it would make it easier to raise children. Or more aptly, not raise their own children.

The world is in a sick state of affairs when you have to make up lies about how bad and indecent video games are.
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Arugala9 at 01/22/2008 23:57
Geoff put up a good fight, but he was walking into a trap. The panel was horribly biased and the lady he was going againest spouted the same bullshit that people who don't understand video games always do. For once I'd like any news outlet to do their research on a game and have people who know what they're talking about.
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Dexter345 at 01/23/2008 00:01
I thought the exact same thing when I saw this footage earlier. "Did she just say 'yes, unfortunately' to the dude who said that it ultimately up to parents to control this rather than the government?" There's a lot to be angry about from this piece.

The one woman's point that a lot of children let themselves in after school and can go and have free reign over the video games is made entirely invalid by the part run earlier in the segment where Microsoft explains that parents can quite easily lock out certain game ratings and limit play time.

The actual informed debate was cut short so a bunch of jerkoffs who know little about the topic could have a little roundtable discussion amongst themselves.

And then, yes, it's not a right of our government to control what we can and cannot play, but rather, that onus belongs to the parents. Unfortunately.
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Puppy Licks at 01/23/2008 00:01
Poor Geoff, brought on to the show to be generally ignored and talked over by self appointed 'experts'. We salute his efforts.

Hopefully Fox will recieve as much backlash for this as Kevin McCollough did for his uninformed drivel-spewing outbursts.
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liqideos at 01/23/2008 00:02
It could have been worse Jim, at least Geoff Keighley is respectable and composed. Imagine how it would have looked had we had Adam Sessler or Kevin Perreira representing the game industry.

Worst possible scenario is Kudo Tsunoda on the tail end of a 3 day booze and coke bender defending Mass Effect on Fox News.
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vexed alex at 01/23/2008 00:03
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!
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grrza at 01/23/2008 00:05
That woman that Geoff went up against is a poor excuse of a psychologist. She sounded like a completely ignorant twit, and it's pretty clear that money comes before credibility in terms of her career. Geoff was walking into a trap is right, but I'm glad he was able to put in at least a few words of reason before being cut off.

But seriously, WTF was up with that panel in the second half??? Do people really listen to the completely vapid nonsense that comes out of their mouths? People need to stop worrying so much about children and videogames, and start worrying a little more about the corrupting influence of Fox News on adult mental states.
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brainderailment at 01/23/2008 00:06
I'm surprised they even had Geoff on there, at least there was one person saying "have you played the game?" That made me smile and angry smirk.
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vexed alex at 01/23/2008 00:07
This is what I wrote on a c-blog about this:

"But you have to pick up the box and look at the back for the rating and then..you have to be involved in what your kids are looking at."

GOD-FOR-FUCKING BID YOU HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH YOUR CHILD'S LIFE! These people are morons. And the Black woman says that it's dangerous to have games like that in the house because a kid is going to say "I'm going to play my dad's video games." Did she not read Microsoft's statement about parental controls? Is she an idiot?

I'm just FUCKING tired of these things because no one gets to have a word in the topic. Anything that's worth listening to, anyway. What's the point? What's the point if you're going to have these right-wing dip shits have more time to spew out their ignorant word vomit? Geoff did not get the time he deserved to talk about the topic.

There has to be some major news cooperation that has some intelligent and lengthy discussion about this.'

"I'm surprised that this game wasn't rated AO."

FOR SHOWING A FUCKING SIDEBOOB AND AN ASSCRACK!? If that's the case, you dumb cunt, then we should have any movie with a sex scene be rated X.
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Justin Villasenor at 01/23/2008 00:07
When I first watched this video it just left me feeling depressed. I just can't believe some of the misinformed stuff they spewed out.
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Atlas at 01/23/2008 00:08
This was on the C-Blogs yesterday, even though the whoever blogged about it got no apparent credit for it. Dunno if anyone else blogged about it, but I did see it and it annoyed the shit out of me.

Goes to show that Fox News is crap.
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Mr Fahrenheit at 01/23/2008 00:10
I just smacked my forehead so hard that it woke up my dog in the other room.

I can't believe this video. They give Geoff a grand total of maybe 30 seconds to defend his position... Of course, I guess I should have expected this from Fox (Faux?) News
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Boolean at 01/23/2008 00:12
Geoff should have just gone:

"It has an M rating, says Sexual Themes rught on the box"
"But don't you think that--"
"It has an M rating"
"Right...but what about--"
"It has an M rating"
"Yes I see but if--"
"M RATING".
"BUT THE CHILDREN!"
"ITS M!".

Geoff Keighley is awesome.
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TheBrain at 01/23/2008 00:13
I sent Ms. Cooper an email. I doubt I'll get a reply. I tried to be reasonable.

Ms. Cooper,

I recently watched your interview on Fox News regarding the nude content within the videogame Mass Effect and I was quite taken aback by the level of misinformation that was displayed.

"If you look at the statistics, who is playing videogames? Adolescent males - not their dads."

This was the first statement that caught my attention. It appears that you are unaware that the average age of a videogame player is 33. Only 20% of game players are males under the age of 17 (compared to 31% of gameplayers being females over the age of 18). I'm afraid you have fallen prey to the stereotype that adolescent males are the ones who make up the majority of game players.

Source: http://www.theesa.com/facts/gamer_data.php

"Seeing these women as objects of desire, as these hot bodies. They don't show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality."

I would agree with this statement to the extent that this is a general trend in the media that is problematic. It gives young men the wrong idea about what to expect from women and can lead them to objectify females. However, this really is not a prevalent theme in Mass Effect in particular, which you might know if you had played the game. As Geoff explained, the partial nudity exists for only a few minutes in a 30 hour game. It seems that some people are unable to see nudity in any form of media without considering it objectifying. It is important to remember that it can also be used to further a narrative of a romantic relationship. The sexual situations come as a result of the relationships you have with the characters.

It just seems to me that any time nudity is in a videogame, the media fails to consider the context. Sexuality is a part of human nature and I don't see a reason why a videogame cannot explore this aspect of humanity without a barrage of uninformed criticism. Notice that we do not see news segments discussing nudity everytime it appears in a film (wherein it is usually infinately more graphic than what is displayed in Mass Effect). The reason is simple - people think videogames are just for kids. This is untrue, but most people refuse to believe it.
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 00:16
Hahaha, they make it seem like the game contacts interactive porn, haha! The scene last maybe 30 seconds and you barely see anything.

Here it is the big porn scene hahaha!
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Niero at 01/23/2008 00:18
A solid effort by Geoff though, the only informed person in the room.

Its a good thing all that partial nudity from the movies that nutjob watched in the 80's didn't make her a wacky repressed cunt. Research also shows that parents don't talk to their kids about sex and they have to figure all that shit out by themselves, or better yet, in college when it's time to get drunk and explore the joys of rape! Research that!

Golgo 13, anyone?
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Hamsizzla at 01/23/2008 00:18
They say you control the sexual acts, DO WANT
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Samit Sarkar at 01/23/2008 00:19
Cooper: “...but if you look at the statistics, who’s playing video games? Adolescent males, not their dads.”

Man, I feel bad for Geoff. He’s absolutely right: the psychologist and the panel were completely misrepresenting Mass Effect, and video games as a medium in general. It seems that any discussion of video games on the mainstream media just turns out to be a way for non-gaming adults to spout fallacies and propagate smear campaigns against video games. So, Martha...parenting is a chore, is it? It’s unfortunate that parents have to regulate what their children have access to? The government should do your job for you? Maybe you never should’ve had kids in the first place, if you weren’t ready for the task of raising them.
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elagz at 01/23/2008 00:21
i couldnt get through the first few hours of this game. I found it boring, mainly because of my ADD.

Anyways I bet very few kids under 18 would have the attention span to play through the whole game and even get the X-rated scenes as well. You really deserve it. Do you get any achievements for it?

If no, then you should.
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lethaljim at 01/23/2008 00:22
As the voice of reason, I think it would be correct to punch Cooper in the ovaries KEEEOOOORRRRR!
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Jim Sterling at 01/23/2008 00:23
I just ... I wish I was there. I wish I was in Geoff's seat (not that he didn't do admirably). I could answer he talk about "mostly adolescents" playing games by reminding her that the ACTUAL average gamer is 20 - 30 years old, I could laugh at her talk of "studies" with my own studies that show the exact opposite, I could just outlogic her faux logic so hard she'd lost that smug, smarmy grin pretty quick.

To quote the stupid woman herself -- "Let me at 'er, Martha."
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 00:24
The game industry never gives the proper response. They should be releasing a statement to press. That reads. This portion of the game last no less than 40 seconds and is not the main focus of the game.
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TheBrain at 01/23/2008 00:25
Also, I think I throw up a little everytime one of these people hearkens back to the good ol days of Pong and Pac-Man.
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ultramarinus55 at 01/23/2008 00:28
Fuck her! She's the dirty skank who flamed down Kevin Nash when they were talkin about Benoit's death
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Boolean at 01/23/2008 00:29
"I could laugh at her talk of "studies" with my own studies that show the exact opposite"

Actually I have to comment on this. One defense that never gets used but I SO WANT someone to say is that when someone says "Well the University of Elves says that games have a damaging effect on young people" to just go "Actually the study I have here says that games turn 99% of people OFF violence, get them more friends and usually increase the amount of money they earn each year two fold". As soon as they say "Can you prove that statement?" you just say "Can you prove yours?". Combat BS with BS.
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Fading Star at 01/23/2008 00:29
"I see dumb people."

That's nice.
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 00:30
FUCKING DINOSAURS!
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Puppy Licks at 01/23/2008 00:32
@TheBrain:
Awesome work! Hope you hear back from her, although I doubt that shameful fraud will have the guts to say anything when presented with the cold hard facts of JUSTICE!!
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 00:32
WOW! Video Games look like that now? DURRRR!!! IGNORANT FUCKS!!! Sorry for cursing so much. I'm just really upset right now.
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joeisremy at 01/23/2008 00:33
I hate that bitch anyone that doesnt take her side she attacks.
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Ignignokt01 at 01/23/2008 00:34
I don't think its the videogames that are making me want to strangle these idiots.
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BA Chieftain at 01/23/2008 00:38
"Seeing these women as objects of desire, as these hot bodies. They don't show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality."

This statement infuriates me to no end. Yes, video games are guilty of doing this... however, FAR FUCKING LESS than most other forms of media, notably movies and television. There are far more respectable women in video games than in god damn television. Look at Super Smash Bros.; Zelda, Peach, Samus... all hardcore badasses.

God I hate people.

And the fact that I'm a psychology major. *spits on myself*
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Cowboy TTop at 01/23/2008 00:39
I have to say that I'm not at all surprised by the kind of stuff like this. And especially after the Iraq stuff, we should have learned not to believe everything we are told, and that same mentality extends to games and the news.

Best way is for people to educate themselves, unfortunately many are too lazy to do even that, and settle for spoon fed lies and ignorance.

I've always said, the established media see games as a rival for peoples time and money, and will thus always seek to dumb the games industry down and focus on anything remotely negative about them. They fear the day people switch off the news and on their consoles.

I never trust these so called experts (even Hitler had some of them). It gets like the very draconian nations we are trying to topple every day. And the weird thing is these same propaganda pushing news outlet, take cheques for running game ads on their stations. It seems that developer/publisher money is good enough for them, but the truth about games isn't for their public.

Its no different in the U.K with Sky News or BBC either.
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Fleet3000 at 01/23/2008 00:43
geoff is a thug and i give him a lot of props for going on FOX and actually trying to have a liberal view point on the topic.

that right winged bitch on the left in the beginning can go suck a chode. she has no idea what the research means, so instead she twists the data to represent her side of the argument.

i think i had about 5 "you've got to be kidding me" moments when my jaw just dropped at what these... artards are saying about the game industry.

my dad loves playing video games. LOVES them. and hes fuckin 60. given that he mostly plays gliding and flight simulators, they are video games nonetheless.

kids are NOT the majority gamers for god's sake, they're just blown a lot more out of proportion because it can make bs news.

geoff, again, man props.

@everyone

i am so glad we all have a decently level head about all this crap. i just wish people outside of our community LISTENED.
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Fading Star at 01/23/2008 00:45
"Most shameful of all, however, is the pitiful reaction of host Martha MacCallum who answered the rightful claim that "it's up to parents to control what their kids are seeing," with "it is, unfortunately."

........
"Fox News:
News for the criminally inane!"
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 00:49
Coopers response to has she played Mass Effect, Noo(chuckle). As if it's beneath her, like please, like I would play that silly children's game. Someone needs to sit this bitch down in a chair with toothpicks holding her eyelids open and watch 30hrs of Mass Effect.
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Shin Oni at 01/23/2008 00:50
I love how the non gamers love to focus on sexual intercourses in a action/adventure game. Shows how dirty minds are these days for one thing. The other being that people who don't play games should still, STFU. It continues to make people look just as dumb as they are attacking a game will a small bit of sexual relations.

Seriously after the chick said she never played the game, I would've ended the conversation right there. It just goes back to people who bash a game they've never played. Reading up a bit on it, watching a few vids, then they think they know all about the game when clearly they don't.
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 00:51
"Darling, I gotta go with the research from the University of Maryland." The Video Game experts from the University of Maryland? Yeah right.
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ceark at 01/23/2008 00:56
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1599211793/ref=cm_cr_pr_link_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

if you wanna see something funny, you should see reviews of the book. Most people don't even read reviews, but if they see 1 star they just steer clear of it. serves her right.
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s0lesurviv0r at 01/23/2008 00:57
Dammit, now I'm so angry I can't go to sleep. Damn Fox News idiots!
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 00:58
Adult rating? It's porn now? WOW, just wow. America is more divided than I thought. These are the ignorant stupids at FOX NEWS
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Farktoid at 01/23/2008 01:01
I need to chime in here. The amount of sensationalism and berating recent games have received is just another nail in the coffin of the mainstream media. Trying to bring down a form of media that directly contests television has become, and will remain to be, a staple until the entire system flips over.

I'd also like to point out that becoming one with the Asari gal (no penetration at any point) requires a powerful amount of thought, rationalization, and just old fashioned flirting. Kind of like a REAL RELATIONSHIP.

Old media is a joke. I expect its death within 15 years.
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brainpower4 at 01/23/2008 01:05
one day i hope to make enough money to buy out a news show and put some actual NEW on the air. honestly just based on supply and demand, there are currently no mainstream shows that portray game as anything short of devil worship, and most of the world prefers not to be lied to by cunt suckers with mail order degrees.

and could someone tell me why on earth they had that panelist part at the end? Rather than let the expert tell you something about the topic, we are given crap some idiot has trouble reading the back of a box. I honestly can't understand how anyone gets their news from TV any more.
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 01:07
This Blonde Fox News reporter seems a little surprised and blown away by the game during this report. Unlike cooper who never even bothered to play it. Blondie here did some cute little internet research on the game. At some point she realized, oh shit. This isn't a simplistic video game from the 80's. What I thought I was gonna find. This looks expensive, like a motion picture, with real characters, good acting. You can see it on her face through out this whole report. She almost wants to defend the game. She's seen the reality, while her ignorant panel is still in the dark ages.
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Doglike at 01/23/2008 01:11
I still can't believe that in 2008 these type of people exist.
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Sharpless at 01/23/2008 01:12
Fucking dammit. I read the GamePolitics transcription, and that's why I will NOT be watching this video. I am astounded by the sheer lack of professionalism displayed by Geoff's opponents. They played to the bulk of their audience, at the cost of maturity, rational behavior, and whatever journalistic integrity they may or may not have ever had. It's pathetic and appauling. I'm disgusted.

"Let me at 'em, Martha"? Fuck you. Get your own talk show, if you want to work your own agenda and call in your friends to help you gang up on your guests. You're on a major news network, so act like it.

What the hell are we supposed to do when that's who's against us, people who have no rhyme or reason, who bask in their own arrogance and sense of superiority as they and their cronies gang up on their "childish, game-playing" opponents? I would love to've seen Adam Sessler or Chris Kohler (they originally had contacted him) on there, people who wouldn't have taken any guff and would've talked their asses off.
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Orionsaint at 01/23/2008 01:13
Email - cooper@cooperlawrenceshow.com till you flood her email
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