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I loved this game towards launch. It was my first MMORPG and I'm glad I abandoned it before the ruining NGE update. It was soo legendary to see or hear about a Jedi as a bounty hunter. Sadly no one will ever have that experience again.
Its terrible when companies take games' online components down, especially when its the ONLY component. I would be asking for my money back if I had invested time and cash growing a character only to never be able to use it again.
They could at least sell the game to a studio that would be willing to edit it for a f2p model. somebody has to realize that there would be a buttload of income on a f2p Star Wars mmo
They could at least sell the game to a studio that would be willing to edit it for a f2p model. somebody has to realize that there would be a buttload of income on a f2p Star Wars mmo
I had friends that were obsessed with this game at launch, before there were any Jedi at all. When they made it easy to be a Jedi they all left.
I was thinking about the fact that it would suck to play it and have it shut down but just like the players playing it, the companies need to move on sometimes too to hopefully bigger and better things.
not viable in the amount of development they have to put into it. Which cost time, and time cost money.
"Changing the business model for an experience like Star Wars Galaxies takes a major investment and overhauling of the existing infrastructure of the game"
"Changing the business model for an experience like Star Wars Galaxies takes a major investment and overhauling of the existing infrastructure of the game"
I know this line gets thrown around alot as a joke, but seriously? This shit was still up and running? How? I'm assuming SoE was just subsidizing it to avoid looking like failures.
@VashTS: Oh, really?
@Everyone who loved SWG pre-CU and pre-NGE: I'll just leave this right here.
http://www.swgemu.com/forums/index.php
@Everyone who loved SWG pre-CU and pre-NGE: I'll just leave this right here.
http://www.swgemu.com/forums/index.php
Wow, that kinda sucks. Reminds me how pissed I was when I couldn't play Monster Hunter(PS2) online anymore. I don't know if I can handle something like that again.
I helped sustain the game like a fiend back before the NGE update. Returned once to check it out after, uninstalled, and never looked back. The only people losing out are the people that joined after the NGE was added...
@Rammstein: Thank you kindly.
@Rammstein: Thank you kindly.
I never played Galaxies, but the talk here has me curious: what was NGE and how did it ruin the game?
"The harsh reality is that we've reached a point where the game is no longer a sustainable business."
IT WAS UNTIL YOU BROKE IT.
Jesus, why can everybody but SOE/Lucasarts see the six year old elephant in the room.
IT WAS UNTIL YOU BROKE IT.
Jesus, why can everybody but SOE/Lucasarts see the six year old elephant in the room.
I started playing after NGE, and the only thing I really liked was JTL. The game as it was described to me pre-NGE was vastly appealing.
@Obagelista: I'll try my best to explain without getting into a rant:
When StarWars: Galaxies launched in 2003, it was such a unique take on an MMO that it was a breah of fresh air and that's not even taking into account it's Star Wars license.
The game played unlike many other MMO's in that you could chose your own path in the game, there were no classes. You gained XP based on what you actually did!
You could specialize into different trees, yes, but you weren't limited to 'class skills' you could, in essence, learn everything in the game. You were only limited by being a master in two trees, I believe(I'm recalling all this from memory of 2003, mind you, it's been 8 years..).
I still remember fondly going out and healin the crap outta my friends/guild who would just be out searching for unique-to-StarWars(obviously) wildlife and seein if they could take it on, then after our adventures, coming into town and relaxin in the cantina, where other players would be leveling their Entertainer tree as a Dancer/Musician/etc., th better at your entertainment tree, the better/bigger/flashier your instrument or dancing.
Then, in 2004, World of Warcraft came out and things went along well for a few months... Then as a rush of new-to-MMO crowd flocked to WoW, Sony Online Entertainment decided it would be a good idea to implement a Level system. Thus the Combat Upgrade was borne. Now, everything was handled through arbitrary numbers, more than player-skill.
The final nail in the coffin(at least for me) was the 'New Game Enhancement'. because at this point WoW was dominating everything(including EverQuest 2, which had the misfortune of launching 1 month before WoW), Sony Online Entertainment decided to try and make SW:G-what else?-MORE LIKE WoW!
Where as Jedi's were a rare, revered thing in the game, where you randomly unlocked it(some thought it had to do with how many trees you specialized into, others thought Game Devs granted it) and became an instant celebrity(though, had to keep it a secret due to bounty hunter players). NGE decided it was a good idea to homogenize the entire game down to 9 pre-set classes. One of which, was a Jedi. Thus the influx of Jedi spam was spawned. After that it gets fuzzy, and my knowledge ends, because I couldn't unsubscribe fast enough.
TL;DR: SoE's mismanagement and Let's-make-it-more-like-WoW attitude(though, I was a huge WoW fan) killed the game.
Thankfully, SWGEmu exists and we can now go back to the Golden Days of SWG pre-Fuckup.
Hopefully I didn't rant too much, I'm writing this on an iPhone and can't see anything I've written more than a paragraph ago.
When StarWars: Galaxies launched in 2003, it was such a unique take on an MMO that it was a breah of fresh air and that's not even taking into account it's Star Wars license.
The game played unlike many other MMO's in that you could chose your own path in the game, there were no classes. You gained XP based on what you actually did!
You could specialize into different trees, yes, but you weren't limited to 'class skills' you could, in essence, learn everything in the game. You were only limited by being a master in two trees, I believe(I'm recalling all this from memory of 2003, mind you, it's been 8 years..).
I still remember fondly going out and healin the crap outta my friends/guild who would just be out searching for unique-to-StarWars(obviously) wildlife and seein if they could take it on, then after our adventures, coming into town and relaxin in the cantina, where other players would be leveling their Entertainer tree as a Dancer/Musician/etc., th better at your entertainment tree, the better/bigger/flashier your instrument or dancing.
Then, in 2004, World of Warcraft came out and things went along well for a few months... Then as a rush of new-to-MMO crowd flocked to WoW, Sony Online Entertainment decided it would be a good idea to implement a Level system. Thus the Combat Upgrade was borne. Now, everything was handled through arbitrary numbers, more than player-skill.
The final nail in the coffin(at least for me) was the 'New Game Enhancement'. because at this point WoW was dominating everything(including EverQuest 2, which had the misfortune of launching 1 month before WoW), Sony Online Entertainment decided to try and make SW:G-what else?-MORE LIKE WoW!
Where as Jedi's were a rare, revered thing in the game, where you randomly unlocked it(some thought it had to do with how many trees you specialized into, others thought Game Devs granted it) and became an instant celebrity(though, had to keep it a secret due to bounty hunter players). NGE decided it was a good idea to homogenize the entire game down to 9 pre-set classes. One of which, was a Jedi. Thus the influx of Jedi spam was spawned. After that it gets fuzzy, and my knowledge ends, because I couldn't unsubscribe fast enough.
TL;DR: SoE's mismanagement and Let's-make-it-more-like-WoW attitude(though, I was a huge WoW fan) killed the game.
Thankfully, SWGEmu exists and we can now go back to the Golden Days of SWG pre-Fuckup.
Hopefully I didn't rant too much, I'm writing this on an iPhone and can't see anything I've written more than a paragraph ago.
So indeed, the reason they are closing it down is because they want no competition between the two games. While im sure SWTOR will be a great game, it will not have the same sandbox Star Wars experience SWG had. NGE/CU aside, SWG was a great game, im still sad to see it being shut down because of another Star Wars MMO being released. I believe there could have been a place for both, but whatever, their decision, not much anyone can do about it.
@Anyone the least bit curious about SWG or TOR or ANY MMO:
I defy you to look at the Wikipedia entry for SWG and scroll to the 'gameplay features'(specifically combat and player housing) and not fall in LOVE!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Galaxies
:,)
I defy you to look at the Wikipedia entry for SWG and scroll to the 'gameplay features'(specifically combat and player housing) and not fall in LOVE!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Galaxies
:,)
SWGEmu sounds great except for the "must have your original game discs or be banned" requirement. After eight years it's not exactly a feasible request to satisfy.
Except, that you can 'find' the install somewhere on the internet(shifty-eyes) and use an image-mount program, etc..
Fortunately I still have my disks(the box was unique/huge/different enough to keep) so when I get around to looking for it(I haven't the slightest to where it is-_-)I will take great advantage of SWGEmu. Hopefully others can as well.
Fortunately I still have my disks(the box was unique/huge/different enough to keep) so when I get around to looking for it(I haven't the slightest to where it is-_-)I will take great advantage of SWGEmu. Hopefully others can as well.
@Rannstein
That need to have the disks is very stupid, even with shifty methods of getting around it. Think about it, it's not practical! The disks aren't being made anymore and old ones might get damaged. And do you know where you can find the correct CD images online should you even legally own the game yet can't find your CD's? It's an MMO! It's probably going to be hard to find.
Also "free to play isn't profitable" MY ASS. Look at Guild Wars, came out not too long after WoW. Same Year I believe. Still largely successful, warranted a sequel. Look at LotRO. Went free to play, profits tripled or something. NGE + CU WASNT FREAKING PROFITABLE. I'm sad to say that it happened to such a great MMO, but we can learn from this. All of us. Don't make an MMO and then change the way the entire game works if you already have a profitable fanbase. Your game doesn't have to have as many people as Call of Duty or World of Warcraft to be successful.
That need to have the disks is very stupid, even with shifty methods of getting around it. Think about it, it's not practical! The disks aren't being made anymore and old ones might get damaged. And do you know where you can find the correct CD images online should you even legally own the game yet can't find your CD's? It's an MMO! It's probably going to be hard to find.
Also "free to play isn't profitable" MY ASS. Look at Guild Wars, came out not too long after WoW. Same Year I believe. Still largely successful, warranted a sequel. Look at LotRO. Went free to play, profits tripled or something. NGE + CU WASNT FREAKING PROFITABLE. I'm sad to say that it happened to such a great MMO, but we can learn from this. All of us. Don't make an MMO and then change the way the entire game works if you already have a profitable fanbase. Your game doesn't have to have as many people as Call of Duty or World of Warcraft to be successful.
@RaginDude: That's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. You do realize the game ran for over 8 years, right? I hope you realize that what you just said is tantamount to saying 'I never get into a relationship because it has the potential to possibly end one day!' Hell, even NON-MMO games don't last forever, EA shutting down online servers for many of its not-that-old games.
It has now more or less been put out of its misery.
NGE/CU is still reviled by my close friends and myself. I would still be a happy subscriber to this if it was as it used to be. I still feel unable to rationalize their decision making here.. Instead of letting the WoW-bandwaggoners do their own thing and keeping their remaining player base happy they decided to so a sub-par knock off of what they thought WoW offered and just alienated their loyal fans. I am glad to see it be put to rest after the shafting we all got from SOE. I would go far enough to say it was my favourite of all the MMOs I had ever been exposed to before NGE/CU. I will remember it fondly for what it once was.
I might have to try that SWGEmu stuff though! I never knew that this existed.
NGE/CU is still reviled by my close friends and myself. I would still be a happy subscriber to this if it was as it used to be. I still feel unable to rationalize their decision making here.. Instead of letting the WoW-bandwaggoners do their own thing and keeping their remaining player base happy they decided to so a sub-par knock off of what they thought WoW offered and just alienated their loyal fans. I am glad to see it be put to rest after the shafting we all got from SOE. I would go far enough to say it was my favourite of all the MMOs I had ever been exposed to before NGE/CU. I will remember it fondly for what it once was.
I might have to try that SWGEmu stuff though! I never knew that this existed.
i remember playing this and investing all the time and effort into becoming a Jedi. And when I finally did it the NGE happened.... I stopped playing. I had assumed it had gone FTP by now, guess I was wrong
So LucasArts killed SWG. Many say they killed it a long time ago. I'll leave that to debate but think about it people...Do you really believe they "investivated" anything abot F2P for SWG? I think not and the statement is nothing but a copy/paste job. The fans of SWG have been asking/demanding LA talk to them the players, the ones that give LA all thier money but LA has done nothing. LA doesn't exactly have a history of doing what fans want and cutting things short. KotOR 2, releaced with half content, Force Unleashed 2 lol nuff said, anyway they cut the budget and leleased it early. Everyone and I mean everyone wanted KotOR 3 but we got ignored and have it in a MMO console game with a monthly subscription. CU and NGE need I say more there?
I have no problems with Bioware but with LA dipping their hands in I warn everyone playing TOR to get ready cause history has done nothing but repeat itself with LA. TOR's NGE is only around the corner and you wont have any say in stopping it cause LA will NOT listen and will tie the hands of Bioware from giving you what improvments you want.
LucasArts has done nothing for millions of us gamers other than kill our Star Wars dreams by ignoreing anyone that dared tell them they are getting it wrong.
I make no secret I'm concerned about TOR but time will tell. My 1st concern is cartoony graphics and superheroistic body types, my main concern is LA has their hands in it and that worries me enough I'm going to sit out TOR for awhile before I get too involved just to watch LA screw it up. Given it's good from the start anyway.
I have no problems with Bioware but with LA dipping their hands in I warn everyone playing TOR to get ready cause history has done nothing but repeat itself with LA. TOR's NGE is only around the corner and you wont have any say in stopping it cause LA will NOT listen and will tie the hands of Bioware from giving you what improvments you want.
LucasArts has done nothing for millions of us gamers other than kill our Star Wars dreams by ignoreing anyone that dared tell them they are getting it wrong.
I make no secret I'm concerned about TOR but time will tell. My 1st concern is cartoony graphics and superheroistic body types, my main concern is LA has their hands in it and that worries me enough I'm going to sit out TOR for awhile before I get too involved just to watch LA screw it up. Given it's good from the start anyway.
About this EMU thing, you guys are promoting it hot and heavy and I'm for it but what your leaving out is as the game stands it is vastly and I mean VASTLY incomplete. Your even deleting everyone's characters after so long. There is a bit of a reputation that ones controlling the game walk about with a very long floppy ban hammer and your long time hard core players tend to look down on new comers in loud ways. I got some story from someone that went in the EMU that they teff killed one of the leaders and got banned for it. Really? is it that easy to get game banned? Just because someone did something that butthurt you?
If SWG as the rest of us know it does fall then I do hope you guys can put it together and have 1 million players if for nothing else but to spit in the face of SOE and LA but your going to have to show me you can control yourselves and give yourselves limits and not act like your some kind of god. Another thing is the game is going to have to work, sorry but yeah it kinda sucks bad where it sits ATM and has for years now. If you guys can pull it together I will be there as will many many more I know. Just please get your acts together and either do some myth busting or create a game constitution to protect all players from butthurt leaders. Oh another thing is a lot of potential to have preferred treatment for anyone you want. I want assurance that all players and all professions are not given preferred god mode treatment.
I truly wish the EMU all success but you guys are a tad scary.
If SWG as the rest of us know it does fall then I do hope you guys can put it together and have 1 million players if for nothing else but to spit in the face of SOE and LA but your going to have to show me you can control yourselves and give yourselves limits and not act like your some kind of god. Another thing is the game is going to have to work, sorry but yeah it kinda sucks bad where it sits ATM and has for years now. If you guys can pull it together I will be there as will many many more I know. Just please get your acts together and either do some myth busting or create a game constitution to protect all players from butthurt leaders. Oh another thing is a lot of potential to have preferred treatment for anyone you want. I want assurance that all players and all professions are not given preferred god mode treatment.
I truly wish the EMU all success but you guys are a tad scary.
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