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Let me ask you a question: Have you ever liked something but was extremely disappointed that more wasn't done with it? Have you ever played a game and said to yourself " this is fun, but with a little more focus this game would have been amazing?" I have, and I wish to talk to you about it.

Now, other then being a gamer I am also a comic book enthusiast, if you will excuse how lame that last sentence was. I read mostly western stuff but I have been a fan of Japanese comics for a long time. One such comic was Trigun. If you haven't read it, stop reading this thing now and go out and buy the Trigun Maximum series. It's like the goddamn Jesus of action comics. It's so goddamn hardcore any person who reads it will grow a beard regardless of sex (and no, the anime doesn't count). This is why when I heard Yasuhiro Nightow, the man behind the series, had made a videogame I practically pissed myself. So I went out and found it as quickly as I could. So, was it the most amazing thing ever?

No.

Was it good?

Well yes and no.

The game I am talking about is Gungrave for the PlayStation 2. Now don't get me wrong, the game is fun and I would recommend it to anyone who is interested because what it does right it does really well. The game follows a character named Grave, a man that has been brought back from the dead who sets out to take out a crime syndicate. The very same crime syndicate that he used to be a part of, which is now lead by his old partner who betrayed him. And then there is something about some drug that turns people into superpowered monsters or something. I don't know, the story is absolutely bananas but like Trigun the story is still incredibly fun and engaging despite how goddamn weird it gets at times. What makes it even better is the cutscenes which are incredible despite how short they are. If you liked the action scenes in Cowboy Bebop or Trigun you will love this. The art direction is great, sporting a cel-shaded style that makes the mediocre level design look a hell of a lot better.



The gameplay however is a mixed bag. Shooting up the environment is definitely fun, thanks to your duel pistols and the coffin on your back that is filled with ammunition and weapons like a Rocket Launcher and a Minigun. And when all else fails you can just beat people to death with it. How many other games allow you to shoot people with a coffin and then beat up the dead body with it? Special moves and finishing moves for the bosses also make things even better.

The problem however with the gameplay is that you move slow. Really slow. Those of you saying in your heads right now that this isn't a big deal don't get it. I cannot stress how slow Grave moves in this game. And this my friends absolutely destroys the flow of the game. Imagine clearing out a room of all the enemies and then spending the next five minutes walking from one side of the room to the other. That is five minutes of doing nothing my friends and it is terrible. A good portion of your time with the game will be spent plodding from one battle to another and for an action shooter such huge lulls in the action are not good. The other problem with the gameplay is the enemies. All in all, there are probably about 5 enemies in the game. A guy with a machine gun, a bigger guy with a machine gun, a guy with a sword, a bigger guy with a sword, and a guy with a rocket launcher. You can argue that there are more than this but they all behave in pretty much the same way as these five. What makes this even worse is that these guys will just run at you, stop, and stay there until they die or you do. they don't run away, take cover, nothing. You do get enemies towards the end that actually fight with some semblance of intelligence but for the most part this is what you get. As a result the game is really easy. The only really sense of challenge you will get is the bosses (which are amazing by the way) and the final level.

And this is all made worse by really lame level design. Sure, they are never confusing to traverse and difficult to maneuver in but they are really boring and the pretty Cel-shading is all they will really offer you.

Overall, I couldn't help but feel disappointed. Sure, it is by no stretch of the imagination a bad game and it was clear the game was really low budget, but still. With the level of craftsmanship other parts of the game received I find it inexcusable that certain aspects of the gameplay received so little attention. That being said, I felt that if they had more time and a bigger budget it could have been a lot better. Imagine how I felt when a sequel, Gungrave Overdose, was announced. So was Gungrave Overdose any better?

Let me put it simply: Gungrave Overdose is one of the worst games I have ever played.



Imagine a sequel which instead of improving off of the original games mechanics breaks them in almost every single way. In the sequel you can choose between 3 different characters, Grave, Jujii, and Rocket Billy Red Cadillac. Now remember how I told you how slow Grave moves? Now imagine the exact opposite of that and you get how Jujii and Billy control. They move so fast and control so finicky that when playing through it with Jujii I got a terrible case of motion sickness. Just tilting the control stick in a direction will send you flying and doing a diving dodge move will send you careening across the level, crashing into enemies and walls and sometimes objects in the environment that you can get stuck on. Enemies are just as stupid except now they have learned the tactic of running around in circles. The level design is still bad but instead of just being boring now they are actually a pain in the ass to navigate. One level, a shipping yard, I spent a good 30 minutes trying to figure out how to progress when I found a dead end. It turns out I needed to jump up on top of the crates and move along the boundary of the level to get to the next area, essentially platforming in a game whose controls are nowhere near as precise to do such a thing. Jumping may sound like a no brainier to advance in a level but nowhere in the first game or the levels before it did you need to jump to progress. There was also no indicator that this is what you were supposed to do and to this day I still think I did something wrong and missed something that allowed you to progress.

But when you get down to it the reason why Overdose was so bad was how watered down it felt. The original was short, sweet and packed a punch. the game was about 6 hours in length but it was packed full of Nightow's type of style and was able to deliver an interesting story in that short period of time. Overdose on the other hand was drawn out with meaningless missions and levels and unlike the original whose story was told through flashy cutscenes the majority of this games story is told through text conversations you have to click through. This effectively ruined the pacing even more because alot of the exposition is not needed and consists mostly of Jujii arguing with people. The last thing I want in an action game is 30+ minutes of text breaking up the action. Maybe if it was well written but it really isn't. Overall, OD was a complete bastardization of what the original put forth and the only worthwhile thing that came out of it was Rocket Billy Red Cadillac.

Overall, the Gungrave series is an example of a missed opportunity. Gungrave was a good game that showed a lot of potential who was given a very poorly done sequel. A game most wouldn't have ever heard of if an anime wasn't made out of it. I really like Gungrave and I can easily say it is one of my favorite PS2 games. The problem is it could have been my favorite instead of just one of a select group. I can say with perfect certainty that if more thought was put into it's design it could have been the best PS2 game ever. As is however it will probably fade away in obscurity in a couple years, an example of what could have been.








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Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/16/2009 19:44
Chris Carter
HAHAHA I felt the same way.

Despite the fact that it was a mediocre game, I still cherished it.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/16/2009 19:45
TewDee
You're right. Gungrave was an _ok_ game. The anime, however, was fucking awesome and terribly depressing.
vApathyv's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/17/2009 05:59
vApathyv
I'd love a next-gen Gungrave remake. I remember adoring the original for no apparent reason, aside from the feeling of being some badass, undead version of Wolfwood, 'cept swapping out the cross with a coffin of course. I can't believe I'm just now making the correlation that the Trigun guy did this game...
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/17/2009 08:53
Demtor
I like your ideas of what they should have done. Hopefully we will see a sequel but I don't know how prevalent the anime is in gamers minds these days. The series is old and should be revisited. I would have love to see a game based on the early days of Grave in the syndicate/mafia. Make it a Max Payne-like series of shoots until shit really hits the fan later on with the crazy mutants and super powers. A slow building game of intense shootouts and escalated violence. Like the anime!
Isay Isay's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/17/2009 09:09
Isay Isay
I replayed both recently and felt a Stranglehold-esque sequel would be really awesome.

A ghost who killed people with the power of RAWK is definately the best thing to come out of OD.
"Come on everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Drowning Rabbit's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 13:16
Drowning Rabbit
Gungrave was an amazing game, which spawned the best action figure I own.
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The Anime it spawned was also really good, and did a MUCH better job of telling the story it was trying to get across.

Overdose... well let's just say it's the bastard stepchild of Gungrave. :( It definitely has it's moments, but all I could think of when you brought it up was that damned shipping container level.
Drowning Rabbit's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 13:17
Drowning Rabbit
(Here is my comment reposted without the retarded Imageshack code that obviously doesnt' work.... live and learn)
Gungrave was an amazing game, which spawned the best action figure I own.

http://img37.imageshack.us/i/gungrave11fig.jpg/

The Anime it spawned was also really good, and did a MUCH better job of telling the story it was trying to get across.

Overdose... well let's just say it's the bastard stepchild of Gungrave. :( It definitely has it's moments, but all I could think of when you brought it up was that damned shipping container level.
Ninja In Distress's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 13:17
Ninja In Distress
I liked Gungrave, cuz I got it for ten bucks as a Xmas stocking stuffer. Pretty fun way to just blow shit up in a Dark Deco environment. The anime is really fucking badass too. I dont remember too much about the sequel, just that it wasn't as good as the first one.
Ninja In Distress's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 13:22
Ninja In Distress
Oh, and you do know you can RUN in the first game right? I can't believe you seriously didn't know that ROFL.
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 13:26
TheCleaningGuy
I loved Overdose! Best $4 I ever spent!
fuze54's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 13:32
fuze54
I hate to say that I still own both Gungrave and Gungrave OD. The only reason I say hate is for some reason I really liked O.D. Now mind you I haven't played it since, but maybe I should just keep it on my shelf so that I can continue to cherish what I remember as fond memories with it. And as a sidenote, I REALLY loved the anime.
Vincent Kremer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 13:49
Vincent Kremer
@ TewDee, indeed the anime in my opinion one of the best anime movies I've seen and also like you said very depressing and touching and dare I say best ending a movie could have?

As for the game , I've not been really in to it since it was just shooting guys over and over again, the graphics were nice though for a PS2 game.

I'd love to see a remake of the both games in to a more Bayonetta style game.
Drewcifer000's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 14:13
Drewcifer000
I always thought the bow looked cool growing up in Gamestops. Now I'm glad I never actually got it.
Gryzor's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 14:20
Gryzor
I loved both games. They've got the attitude and the level of pure interrupted action only a classic arcade shooter would. That is something rare indeed nowadays.

On a related note, RED needs to make a sequel to Bujingai.
Shinsune's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 14:25
Shinsune
I also loved BOTH games. They were essentially niche action games and that suited me just fine. The art style just oozes style and they characters were badass, Bunji especially. Besides, Overdose was only $20 when it came out new.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 14:39
TewDee
@Vincent Kremer - There was a movie? I mean the series.
VashTS's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 14:42
VashTS
Anime/Manga based IP games have always been terrible. I think there was a few exceptions, like 3 gundam games. I think at this point movie based IP{ games have surpassed anime/manga games. It is very sad, but it's the truth.
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 14:51
gamadaya
Ouch man. I hate it when the sequel is worse. Few things hurt more than a missed opportunity.
Drowning Rabbit's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 14:58
Drowning Rabbit
@TewDee
http://www.amazon.com/Gungrave-Complete-Box-Set/dp/B00284EM46/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1261342686&sr=8-1

There is only the Anime, the complete box set of it is only $41.
elysse's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 15:20
elysse
His name was Brandon Heat, renamed From The Grave (or Grave) when he was resurrected and.... oh..... uh.. I'll just go over there and be quiet.
ghets's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 17:37
ghets
I actually enjoyed both Gungrave games despite how repetitive they are. And i thought the anime was fucking amazing. I almost cried.
ghets's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 17:43
ghets
@vashTS:

I should check because im not completely sure but i think the game came before the anime.
Gryzor's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 18:02
Gryzor
Yep, I'll second the game coming before the anime or manga too (had this debate a few times before...lol.)

Kinda weird reading some of this, though.. I thought the sequel was obviously the better game. I honestly had a hard time going back to the original after it. *shrugs*
Bluejuan85's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 18:14
Bluejuan85
I actually still own Gungrave and its sequel Gungrave: Overdose and in my opinion they are awesome game I watched the anime and it was very good too I hope there is another game in the future the only other time I saw the characters from Gungrave was in that crossover game Chaos Wars.
LegendPenguin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 18:19
LegendPenguin
OD's story would have been miles better without the endless txt cutscenes, but I still enjoyed it nonetheless. Great write-up.
Javidwashere's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 18:34
Javidwashere
*Blasts the Gungrave theme from the beginning of the second game*........sorry i happened to like them both, the intro song is what actually pulled me in.
de BLOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 19:14
de BLOO
I can't really take your views on how a game plays, I mean you suck at all the ones we've played together.

:D
ikiryou's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/20/2009 19:19
ikiryou
I've got Gungrave Overdose. It's stupid fun, the way it was intended to be, I suppose. KICK THEIR ASS.
Xelotath's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/21/2009 14:20
Xelotath
I haven't played the games but the anime was one of the best anime I've seen. With the first episode I was expecting a stupid action anime and dropped the series. One night I was bored so I gave it another chance, and I was proved wrong.
MobileSuitGundam's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/23/2009 03:56
MobileSuitGundam
I've never played the first one but I still have my copy of Overdose and I have to agree with a few posters here - it was just fun to play. It was because of the game I kinda go into the anime.
doom2's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/02/2010 17:22
doom2
I had to register just to say 2 things.

-ther is a sprint and a run in Gungrave

-One of the main aspects of the game is to see how many kills you can get in succession. (including environment shots)

once you realize this the game becomes twice as good.
statevysex58's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2011 17:48
statevysex58
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