surf dtoid with 
Rising (10+)
People you follow
Well, duh. Looking at their list of games adds the sad reality that, there isn't much there in the way of quality.
It's good that they are getting money but I thought the game was "just okay" Although I enjoyed it a lot better than SotD. I picked up NMH2 again briefly the other day and there was no comparison. Hopefully Killer Is Dead will be more unique, I'm a little fed up of these "Like dull games but less terrible" things they've been creating recently. Sine Mora was exceptional though!
An excuse to talk about Grasshopper again? Sweet!
I loved Lollipop Chainsaw. It makes me a little sad to see that so many Grasshopper fans found it to be just "okay". I think Shadows and Lollipop are games that take a couple replays to truly appreciate.
AND WHERE IS THAT KILLER IS DEAD TRAILER?!?!
I loved Lollipop Chainsaw. It makes me a little sad to see that so many Grasshopper fans found it to be just "okay". I think Shadows and Lollipop are games that take a couple replays to truly appreciate.
AND WHERE IS THAT KILLER IS DEAD TRAILER?!?!
Great to hear it that it'll be thematically like NMH and Killer 7. Also, I'm glad to hear Cel-Shading is back!
@jonothanster
That day is today my son:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wii-No-More-Heroes-2008-Used-Wii-/110941243091?forcev4exp=true
That day is today my son:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wii-No-More-Heroes-2008-Used-Wii-/110941243091?forcev4exp=true
i never got a copy of LPCS, is it really that good i mean better than no more hero's because i loved that game to death (literally)
Y'know how Dale always posts corgis, no matter the subject? I want Jessica to be Holmes' equivalent. Whatever the story is, get Jessica to quickly throw together a ghetto cosplay of it.
Which is funny because it's also my least favorite of Suda's titles. I blame Charles Gunn honestly. The game's premise and style was just as wacky as I love, but dear god did the writing just come off as completely juvenile. It's all just cussing and sexual references with no clever execution.
I have yet to play Lollipop Chainsaw, but I tried to play Shadows of the Damned. I like everything in that game BUT the gameplay. Going to the Darkness and taking your life away became more of a chore than actual fun.
Really enjoyed Lollipop Chainsaw. Tons of fun. Felt like a spiritual successor to NMH. Glad it was successful, especially after how bad Shadows of the Damned flopped despite critics liking it.
I agree with Holmes that NMH could have done with more advertising and should have sold better, they were fantastic games.
Shadows of the Damned though, I wasn't really impressed with. Really didn't keep me interested. Not even enough to finish the game.
I agree with Holmes that NMH could have done with more advertising and should have sold better, they were fantastic games.
Shadows of the Damned though, I wasn't really impressed with. Really didn't keep me interested. Not even enough to finish the game.
Yasuda himself had actually edited the trailer just for the event, something which surprised Suda."
ohh so it's gonna be dark O__O
"He did say that as Lollipop Chainsaw featured a new female character as its main character, for Killer is Dead he wanted to make a "new hero" as well. Among the new heroes in Killer is Dead, we can expect lots of hot girls, he assured. He's hoping to tell a new assassin's story which carries over the traditions of Killer 7 and No More Heroes."
hell yeah this gonna be a combination of Killer 7 and No More Heroes!!!!!!!!!!
bloody, dark, with humor as well :)
can't wait for the game Suda San!!!!!!!!!
show us the trailer!!!!!
damn it college starts this week T____T
and yeah Mayu, New Girl and Jessica(Maido) FTW!!!!!
@StealthMaster
ehh i like Shadows of the Damned.
yeah the darkness can be frustrating, but i love how i can just drink that hell out of it :P
why am i not surprised Rammstein is here at a Lollipop Chainsaw article '-____-
KIller is Dead is gonna be amazing if they indeed combined the elements of Killer 7 and No More Heroes :)
ohh so it's gonna be dark O__O
"He did say that as Lollipop Chainsaw featured a new female character as its main character, for Killer is Dead he wanted to make a "new hero" as well. Among the new heroes in Killer is Dead, we can expect lots of hot girls, he assured. He's hoping to tell a new assassin's story which carries over the traditions of Killer 7 and No More Heroes."
hell yeah this gonna be a combination of Killer 7 and No More Heroes!!!!!!!!!!
bloody, dark, with humor as well :)
can't wait for the game Suda San!!!!!!!!!
show us the trailer!!!!!
damn it college starts this week T____T
and yeah Mayu, New Girl and Jessica(Maido) FTW!!!!!
@StealthMaster
ehh i like Shadows of the Damned.
yeah the darkness can be frustrating, but i love how i can just drink that hell out of it :P
why am i not surprised Rammstein is here at a Lollipop Chainsaw article '-____-
KIller is Dead is gonna be amazing if they indeed combined the elements of Killer 7 and No More Heroes :)
That's really sad to hear about Shadows of the Damned. Its an absolutely brilliant game that everyone should play.
As if it wasn't painfully obvious before, sex sells. Aside from an average to mediocre... well everything, that's about all this game had going for it: sex. And a marketing campaign that tried very hard to get that point--erm, "feature" across.
It's a shame, because Grasshopper and Suda have actually worked on some decent stuff in this past. This just isn't one of those things.
It's a shame, because Grasshopper and Suda have actually worked on some decent stuff in this past. This just isn't one of those things.
Shadows of the Damned was cool. The characters were lovable and the action was truly exciting. But the 2D levels and the final boss were annoying as hell. I thought they would never end.
Didn't one of the No More Heroes sell over a million or am I confused? Anyway, I hope Killer is Dead is actualy directed by Suda. Not many people seem to know that he wasn't the lead designer or creator of Shadows of the Damned and Lolipop Chainsaw. Even though I enjoyed both, they were lacking the polish and personal touches that I find in Killer 7 and No More Heroes. In any case, I hope the next game ends up better (and if possible doesn't use Unreal 3).
@ctg
Hey, it's not Lollipop Chainsaw's fault the key to your chastity belt went missing.
Look around it's bound to be somewhere nearby. Find it and embrace the sweet sexiness that is Lollipop Chainsaw!
(by the way I'm just goofing I respect your opinion)
Hey, it's not Lollipop Chainsaw's fault the key to your chastity belt went missing.
Look around it's bound to be somewhere nearby. Find it and embrace the sweet sexiness that is Lollipop Chainsaw!
(by the way I'm just goofing I respect your opinion)
The reason it sold better was
reason 1: This game actually had some marketing, versus Suda's past games which seem to have spread mostly by word of mouth.
Reason 2: Sex sells, although alot of Suda's games have sexy female characters this game had her as the main character and was marketed that way, other Suda games have hot girls, but your spend alot of time as a guy killing other dudes or monsters. It's the same reason Catherine was Atlus's best selling game.
reason 1: This game actually had some marketing, versus Suda's past games which seem to have spread mostly by word of mouth.
Reason 2: Sex sells, although alot of Suda's games have sexy female characters this game had her as the main character and was marketed that way, other Suda games have hot girls, but your spend alot of time as a guy killing other dudes or monsters. It's the same reason Catherine was Atlus's best selling game.
I wasn't overly impressed with lollipop tbh.
For all the articles I read about how Juliet isn't objectified and how the objectification was mostly directed towards I perhaps went into the game expecting something more than was actually delivered.
When Nick is mouth breathing over Juliet in the costume menu and npc's openly claim they will be masturbating to Juliet later that night I find it spectacularly difficult to get behind the notion Juliet is nothing more than eye candy. Vacuous eye candy.
The game was alright. Combat was fun and the bosses were a nice challenge on harder difficulties.
This game typifies 2 tropes.
1) sex sells
2) people will try desperately to intellectualise anything for fear of seemingly falling prey to point 1.
For all the articles I read about how Juliet isn't objectified and how the objectification was mostly directed towards I perhaps went into the game expecting something more than was actually delivered.
When Nick is mouth breathing over Juliet in the costume menu and npc's openly claim they will be masturbating to Juliet later that night I find it spectacularly difficult to get behind the notion Juliet is nothing more than eye candy. Vacuous eye candy.
The game was alright. Combat was fun and the bosses were a nice challenge on harder difficulties.
This game typifies 2 tropes.
1) sex sells
2) people will try desperately to intellectualise anything for fear of seemingly falling prey to point 1.
*edit*
..."obejectification was mostly directed towards Nick"
Damn phone.
Should also add that just because she's tough it doesn't mean she isn't objectified. Case in point Barbed Wire starring Pamela Anderson. Dipshit blonde with big tits is still a dipshit even though she's kicking arse.
..."obejectification was mostly directed towards Nick"
Damn phone.
Should also add that just because she's tough it doesn't mean she isn't objectified. Case in point Barbed Wire starring Pamela Anderson. Dipshit blonde with big tits is still a dipshit even though she's kicking arse.
@Scissors Catherine has Atlus' best launch sales, not overall. Their SMT and Persona games sell WAAAAY more than Catherine's aproximate 500,000.
and this is what happens when you don't release your game a the normal price it stands out more people buy it take notice games industry
Grasshopper should develop and port some of their games over to PC, I would purchase them very quickly. I also believe there is a bigger potential audience for their games on the PC. Probably will never happen though :(
There's no new game+ in Shadows of the Damned. I bet it is being traded like crazy and Grasshopper's not seeing the payday the game deserves. There is talk of a sequel yet.
How much did the game actually sell? It's generally safe to say that if a company is forced to ship more units to a retailer, that the game is probably doing alright. However, the amount of copies that have been shipped to retailers does not equal the amount of copies sold to the consumer.
I bought the game. Played the game. Thoroughly beat the game. And, for the most part, enjoyed the game.
It was a profane, over-the-top and cleverly written zombie massacre!
Congrats to Grasshopper Manufacture and Kadokawa games! And Suda51. Also, the writing and character development of James Gunn!
It was a profane, over-the-top and cleverly written zombie massacre!
Congrats to Grasshopper Manufacture and Kadokawa games! And Suda51. Also, the writing and character development of James Gunn!
I can explain this. Pink latex with zipper all the way down. On a virtual barbie.
It won't sell itself, but it will advertise itself. The games media fell all over itself to show pictures of that virtual girl. This doesn't work for the traditional anime slacker archetype in No More Heroes.
It won't sell itself, but it will advertise itself. The games media fell all over itself to show pictures of that virtual girl. This doesn't work for the traditional anime slacker archetype in No More Heroes.
This has to be the result of a great, straightforward premise and ACTUAL marketing. People knew about this game, and it looked (and was) amazingly executed.
Much better gameplay than NMH (actual combat mechanics beyond up/down with wonky, clunky animations), much smoother flowing 'real' dialog, and a great implementing of the classic zombie/80s aesthetic/weird feeling that really rocked.
I think if people really knew about their other games, they'd all have done better.
Much better gameplay than NMH (actual combat mechanics beyond up/down with wonky, clunky animations), much smoother flowing 'real' dialog, and a great implementing of the classic zombie/80s aesthetic/weird feeling that really rocked.
I think if people really knew about their other games, they'd all have done better.
In japan, grasshopper sells 700k on their like 5th games, thanks fans, throws huge party.
In usa, 38 studios sells 1mil of its first title, folds, and closes its doors likely forever.
Anyone see a disparity here?
In usa, 38 studios sells 1mil of its first title, folds, and closes its doors likely forever.
Anyone see a disparity here?
@Billy - You're assuming games cost the same to make. Grasshopper makes fairly short, niche action games, 38 Studios made big budget RPGs and MMOs.
To make a profit, what you earn has to exceed what you spent creating a product. The bar is set differently based on how much was spent. How much was spent is factored into what the game is sold for and profit is determined by what exceeds the break-even point.
For Grasshopper, that number is far lower than it was for 38 studios. There is no disparity save for the development and spending philosophies of Japanese and Western development. Incidentally, its the same disparity as indie vs. mainstream developers.
To make a profit, what you earn has to exceed what you spent creating a product. The bar is set differently based on how much was spent. How much was spent is factored into what the game is sold for and profit is determined by what exceeds the break-even point.
For Grasshopper, that number is far lower than it was for 38 studios. There is no disparity save for the development and spending philosophies of Japanese and Western development. Incidentally, its the same disparity as indie vs. mainstream developers.
@TSP - I don't think that was lost on him. The disparity between budgets is pretty disheartening, especially considering the homogenized action side effect of HAVING to appeal to millions of buyers when the budget is so high. The blockbuster AAA paradigm is killing genres.
The "stop liking what I don't like" is strong in these comments. Can you domesticated eunuchs who forgot what it's like to be a man that plays fun video games please go bury yourselves in a desert somewhere? I'd really appreciate it.
I'm not surprised that it sold better with the bigger push behind it.
It was pretty good, but not great. A little less candy more meat next time, Suda.
It was pretty good, but not great. A little less candy more meat next time, Suda.
It was a fun game for sure though Killer 7 is still my favorite Suda 51 game I have ever played. Always happy to have more Grasshopper Studios games in my waking world.
@billy balls
That's because alot of publishers have built themselves around call of duty numbers being the normal when it's the exception.
If you sell over a million in the course of 2 years your supposed to be a success story. Alot of the guys here are on the choping block if they don't sell 2.5 million units in 2 months. The industry's current model is unsustainable for many studios and needs to be fixed quickly.
Also congrats to grasshopper, I still have to get around to playing this bit its great to see them doing well.
That's because alot of publishers have built themselves around call of duty numbers being the normal when it's the exception.
If you sell over a million in the course of 2 years your supposed to be a success story. Alot of the guys here are on the choping block if they don't sell 2.5 million units in 2 months. The industry's current model is unsustainable for many studios and needs to be fixed quickly.
Also congrats to grasshopper, I still have to get around to playing this bit its great to see them doing well.
I have to admit to never playing a Grasshopper/Suda 51 game ever, but I really enjoyed the little bit of Lollipop Chainsaw I watched on the Dtoid Twitch channel, and now it's on my list of things to pick up when I actually have money for it/my backlog clears a little. All this talk about No More Heroes has me intrigued on that as well.
@all
Yeah I was speaking more towards maybe reasonable expectations and a realistic budget for grasshopper games. Maybe its a japanese measure of success, but even in america, grasshopper games get roughly the same review scores as KoA (and are a hell of a lot more fun than KoA, imo). Maybe its the way western corps look at video games, as opposed to japanese ones. Food for thought.
Yeah I was speaking more towards maybe reasonable expectations and a realistic budget for grasshopper games. Maybe its a japanese measure of success, but even in america, grasshopper games get roughly the same review scores as KoA (and are a hell of a lot more fun than KoA, imo). Maybe its the way western corps look at video games, as opposed to japanese ones. Food for thought.
follow
