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The problem with paid MMO's is some old Fight Club shit: the game owns you. Every month you're reminded that your wallet is taking a hit from the its monthly fee, and you feel obligated to play. This (combined with the already-job-like structure of MMORPG's) turns the game into something that's more work than fun.
Lol I posted before you put up contest rules.
Anywho on to contest portion I prefer paid mmos over free since most free mmos i have dealt with tend to be f2p cash shop mmos which end up costing you more in the long run compared to sub based mmos.
Anywho on to contest portion I prefer paid mmos over free since most free mmos i have dealt with tend to be f2p cash shop mmos which end up costing you more in the long run compared to sub based mmos.
Turd Burglin is right.
But the other side of that coin is that you must commit. If you're no longer wanting to play, you no longer play. You can move on with a pretty small loss.
They have to pay for the server and other costs, a single pay wont cover that. You have to have a very commited community to make a single charge work.
But the other side of that coin is that you must commit. If you're no longer wanting to play, you no longer play. You can move on with a pretty small loss.
They have to pay for the server and other costs, a single pay wont cover that. You have to have a very commited community to make a single charge work.
paying for mmos monthly is acceptable as long as the developer can back it up with constant updates and new features. otherwise its unjustified
I prefer P2P over F2P as you do get your money's worth and its not really that much a month.
Also most free to play games have cash shops which unbalanced the game too much.
Also most free to play games have cash shops which unbalanced the game too much.
As a long time WoW player I feel that paying for MMO's is all about what you get out of it i personally put about 20 hours into wow a week and i enjoy it. I have also played most of the MMO's out there and for me its all about the content in the game if the game is severely lacking content the game is not worth it to me. and as pico just said on the stream its all about having friends on an mmo i have fun running around with my friends doing random stuff.
I'd also be down for paying for exclusive items or a faster leveling system similar to how battlefield heroes. But then again I play mmo's sparingly.
As a long time WoW player I feel that paying for MMO's is all about what you get out of it i personally put about 20 hours into wow a week and i enjoy it. I have also played most of the MMO's out there and for me its all about the content in the game if the game is severely lacking content the game is not worth it to me. and as pico just said on the stream its all about having friends on an mmo i have fun running around with my friends doing random stuff.
Id prefer a 1 time fee for a mmo I think the pay monthly subscription for games such as wow do work but would be better when new content is getting added monthly and you're not just paying more money on-top of the money you pay for the base game and expansions.Games like guild wars have shown that the one time fee works and can create enjoyable games, to me the monthly fee service seems like a way for company's to get more money out of you and maybe keep more of a hook in you as you'll play more to get value for money ^-^
I prefer P2P so long as they keep updating the game and the servers are good. When you play a f2P MMO you kind of expect, what you bought is what you get, and anything after that you can expect to pay a hefty price for that content.
@Turd yeah that monthly fee is a reminder that you should be playing what you are paying for but like I said most free mmos I have played have a cash shop so you end up paying money for items to try and keep up with the people playing the game 24/7.
Me personally: I've never really gotten into any MMO for more than a month. The last one was like, Fusion Fall (Cartoon Network) and stopped playing once it was Pay to play, so...I guess I'm in favor of free.
If I were to pay, I'd feel too obligated to play it since I'm putting money into it. When I feel obligated to do something, I enjoy it less. I felt that way about XBL, and for a while, I'd think, "I paid for this subscription, I better use it." Well, at least, if I went a couple of weeks without going online (which by now must be a couple of months with college and this PS3 in my room), I begin to feel guilt over wasting money on a service I'm not constantly using. As weird as it sounds.
If I were to pay, I'd feel too obligated to play it since I'm putting money into it. When I feel obligated to do something, I enjoy it less. I felt that way about XBL, and for a while, I'd think, "I paid for this subscription, I better use it." Well, at least, if I went a couple of weeks without going online (which by now must be a couple of months with college and this PS3 in my room), I begin to feel guilt over wasting money on a service I'm not constantly using. As weird as it sounds.
I prefer paid because I feel like I can derive more fun from the game, and better content because I am paying not only for my game, but maintenance, and making it better. I will pay as long as the game is as fun as when I first came to enjoy it.
I used to be against paying for an mmo, but after playing WoW for about 5 years I think it was worth it. With all the money I spent paying monthly fees, I could have gotten more games but the quality of the content they provide and the stability of the server made it worth it. World of Warcraft, at least made the subscription worth it.
As long as money goes to stable servers and regular content updates, I have no problem with paid MMOs.
I just don't like being tied to one game; losing touch with all the other things going on in the industry. The idea of supporting ONE developer with all my time and money feels a little off to me.
I never heard of Rift until now, but it definitely looks like something I'd at least try. P2P and F2P are kind of on equal grounds, for myself at least. There are some great F2P games, but sometimes they get overloaded with cash shop influence which kills the game. Then there's P2P, which you have to pay a monthly fee for, but usually there's a bit more player balance (PvP Wise, and not considering class imbalance of course...) and game quality. I have yet to play a P2P MMO on a retail server, but I wouldn't mind paying if it was good game.
Crafting for the most part is a time/money sink. A lot of times it isn't that useful either end game. I could do without it
Personally, I think that crafting in MMO's is what you do once you've completely maxed out one character. I have never leveled a crafting profession while leveling a character, because I'm one of those people who attempts to power through story and content so I can get into the PvP action towards the endgame. Not to mention, running around all slow without a mount really bites when trying to level a profession because it makes a slow process seem 100x slower.
Crafting is cool for end-game, but I tend to just farm up cash and let other people do the crafting for me.
Crafting is cool for end-game, but I tend to just farm up cash and let other people do the crafting for me.
Personally, I think crafting in MMOs only works if it is implemented properly. It should be an alternative to obtain the gear of a certain level, not a requirement. Also, crafting does not work well if you can gain experience from it (like FFXIV). In WoW, crafting is essentially required for one to have a viable character. Maxed professions are a must, and I do not think that should be the case. Crafting should be optional, not required.
In WoW for the most, crafting has no real use until you hit your max level. When you are into the raiding in WoW your guild is going to need the best potions and enchantments. Your raid groups just can't function without people to make the stuff. At the lower levels it is almost a waste of gold.
Also, I agree, Rift's healer setup is the best. Healers with chain are badass and really hard to kill if you accidentally grab healing aggro.
I thinking crafting is dumb in some games. In Aion it was literally imperative to spend hours crafting to get some good stuff. I think they should have classes that need to craft and others that you can if you want but no 'fouls' so to say, like not getting a certain armor or weapon because you don't want to spend 3 hours searhing for some followers then spending time at the crafting tables.
I haven't seen any good crafting mechanic for an MMO. MMO craftings are just "add these exact ingredients and get this +(d6) item if you have enough skill"
Crafting to me really seems like a skinner box. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber
However it seems to be necessary to facilitate enjoymenet in the game. It feels like actual work when you get the whatever you're making. You feel accomplished.
However it seems to be necessary to facilitate enjoymenet in the game. It feels like actual work when you get the whatever you're making. You feel accomplished.
Woohoo, 2x post? Crafting is such a touchy subject, but it depends on the game. Like in Perfect World, crafting was pretty much unneeded in general. Items required way too many materials and the result was almost always crap. The only use it was for was to make the best armor/weapons/accessories because it required you to have a craft level of such and such. The only reason I raised mine was for my guild. I was like, the go to person for all crafting. As for Aion, I thought it was pretty decent. The output items were actually pretty nice and usable and you could at least level it without having to gather 50,000 mats. That being said, I actually don't mind it to a degree. Crafting really cool stuff, even though it's useless is still exciting to an extent. And it's usually sellable too.
Crafting in MMORPG's are certainly a way to extend the gameplay and keep the players in the game, but I think it's one of the problems that contribute to eventually ruining a games economy. If you look at something like the Lineage II and World of Warcraft, it's really hard for a new player to get into the game economically because crafters have run the price up on everything.
Of course crafting isn't the only thing that leads to this problem, but that's for another discussion.
Of course crafting isn't the only thing that leads to this problem, but that's for another discussion.
I enjoy crafting in MMOs. It creates another sense of immersion into the "world". It only makes sense.
Crafting in MMORPG's are certainly a way to extend the gameplay and keep the players in the game, but I think it's one of the problems that contribute to eventually ruining a games economy. If you look at something like the Lineage II and World of Warcraft, it's really hard for a new player to get into the game economically because crafters have run the price up on everything.
Of course crafting isn't the only thing that leads to this problem, but that's for another discussion.
Of course crafting isn't the only thing that leads to this problem, but that's for another discussion.
I like Crafting MMOs because instead of having a boring adventure to find weapons as you kill monsters, you can actually make your own items and whatever you want. It's really cool and adds on to the game. And some people like it. It's also cool that you level up while you craft.
Crafting when implemented properly can be a great way to allow the player to influence the economy of the game either through selling gathered mats or selling completed items. If implemented poorly it's just a time sink/money sink that results in worthless gear. To me a good crafting system allows players who put in the effort to create top quality gear.
Craftin' in MMO's has been severely reduced in my opinion in most new-age MMO's. I prefer crafting systems that actually have the player get involved in fun and creative ways. Most MMO's are just "go get this and turn it into this shit" Even worse is systems like the one in "Vindictus" where you just get the mats and take it to a store that does everything for you.
MMOs are all about the time sink and crafting is just another thing to sink you time into. You got to fly around and pick 500 flowers and then kill 10000 rats until they drop the recipe for epic boots of epic ownage.
I'd like to see an mmo with crafting like minecraft, building your house weapons etc yourself and the questing could maybe be just for mostly new recipes etc
There have been a number of games that are scifi but they never get that big. There are the shooters like Planetside or ABP, but those don't last. EvE Online is actually a still very popular still. There is a massive community playing that game. It is one of the only one that still have people playing because it isn't just WoW in space. Most of the Scifi games are and they just don't work.
I really like Fantasy MMOs because instead of having something futuristic you can play something in your world, something that you want to do. You'll have different types of characters and have things you could never even dream of.
I think its good to have a balance between Fantasy MMOs and other types. People tend to prefer fantasy games since its something that will never happen, so it changes from the pace of everyday life so the role-playing its different. Personnaly I prefer sci fi MMOs gameplay elements but the story and setting is usually boring. Fantasy MMOs have a better story most of the time.
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