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Well, he did say "probably".
But yeah, I don't understand why developers whine so much about the used games market. Most people that buy pre owned games wouldn't buy brand new copies in the first place. Everyone prefers a virgin game disc/box, they just don't always have the money to buy it.
But yeah, I don't understand why developers whine so much about the used games market. Most people that buy pre owned games wouldn't buy brand new copies in the first place. Everyone prefers a virgin game disc/box, they just don't always have the money to buy it.
If I wanted a game badly, I would buy it brand new. Preowned games are for games I want to try and wouldn't buy otherwise.
If anything games should cost at least $100 a piece. So it could be like a financial investment . Then people wouldn't want to trade in their games. Or keep the prices the same and design the discs to stop working after a few uses. The video game industry won't last if they don't innovate.
"Lionhead: Used games worse than piracy"
I've finally figured out how to combat the scourge of used games! Just make terrible games like Lionhead and they will sit on the shelf forever, sealed, in pristine condition. After all, the last thing we want is anyone using games.
I've finally figured out how to combat the scourge of used games! Just make terrible games like Lionhead and they will sit on the shelf forever, sealed, in pristine condition. After all, the last thing we want is anyone using games.
If you want publishers to stop lamenting used sale turn the argument in a new direction. Label used sales as a "Green" alternative, emphasizing recycling of the material and cutting down harmful plastic rubbish in our land fills because people who couldn't sell the games would either hoard them or throw them away irresponsibly. The used games market should be lauded as great for the environment and clever thinking on how to best reuse a product without requiring harmful processes to reclaim spent materials, and so on.
In short; sick the treehugging whackjobs on them.
In short; sick the treehugging whackjobs on them.
This one doesn't even make sense. I can understand when developers babble about used sales hurting them. At some point, they will stop making money off of a product and that obviously makes sense. When you start saying that it's worse than piracy, now you've lost your mind.
Piracy does nothing for anyone except the idiot stealing. He gets his game for free and can brag or whatever douchebags do. When you buy a game used, not only are you funding the developer (as the game had to be purchased in the first place), you're more likely to buy the sequel or next project new. It's common fucking sense.
Piracy does nothing for anyone except the idiot stealing. He gets his game for free and can brag or whatever douchebags do. When you buy a game used, not only are you funding the developer (as the game had to be purchased in the first place), you're more likely to buy the sequel or next project new. It's common fucking sense.
First, nice use of Action Comics #1 as a header!
Second, I'm noticing a trend here with companies going after used games after they've released a game that was a disappointment (Fable III) and, shockingly, is filling up the used bargain bin and driving the price of the game down.
Second, I'm noticing a trend here with companies going after used games after they've released a game that was a disappointment (Fable III) and, shockingly, is filling up the used bargain bin and driving the price of the game down.
From the creator's standpoint, I can definitely see how they consider second hand sales worse. What's worse someone using something you made without paying you for it, or someone using something you made and paying someone else for it?
That's surprising, but to be honest I think he would know better than any of us. I don't understand this assumption that he's lying; what does he stand to gain from that?
Fucking really?
I can't begin to say how much this disheartens me about the industry, that we're becoming THAT wrapped up in making money off of it, that people will go as far as to say used games are worse than piracy.
I can't begin to say how much this disheartens me about the industry, that we're becoming THAT wrapped up in making money off of it, that people will go as far as to say used games are worse than piracy.
Shut up lionhead.
Can you imagine this same argument over used cars.?It's absolutely no different. How do they think they can get away with this rubbish.
Can you imagine this same argument over used cars.?It's absolutely no different. How do they think they can get away with this rubbish.
To be fair, Lionhead's distribution policy isn't geared towards PC's. Is Fable 3 even out on PC yet? I don't think they are worrying about PC gamers ripping their games off because they have passed that road where Fable 3 is a "do want" game in pirates eyes.
Now they are worrying about the fact that nobody is buying a new console copy because of its more than lack luster reception. They've reached their market demand and any new people are just trying a used copy on the whim. Mostly because they don't want to pay $20 for Fable 3.
Of course, since they are a Microsoft owned studio, I doubt they really have any of these woes that he is claiming.
Make a game better than Fable 3 and maybe less people will trade that in.
Now they are worrying about the fact that nobody is buying a new console copy because of its more than lack luster reception. They've reached their market demand and any new people are just trying a used copy on the whim. Mostly because they don't want to pay $20 for Fable 3.
Of course, since they are a Microsoft owned studio, I doubt they really have any of these woes that he is claiming.
Make a game better than Fable 3 and maybe less people will trade that in.
I could see why Used games are worse for them as opposed to piracy. Piracy requires work. Quite a bit more work than I think the majority of people would want to put into to be a theif. Used games, however, look good to just about anyone who is on a budget (see everyone in America). plus used games span all three current gen consoles, PS2, Gamecube, and PC (maybe). Piracy affects mainly GBA and older, and PC. What I'm trying to get at is; he isnt crazy for making this statement. And don't you think that maybe that $60 price tag might drop if everyone had to buy new and have money go to devs and pubs, instead of buying used and having no money go to them? (see digital distribution and steam.)
@Script-br
In most cases, the used versions of games can cost a mere 5 dollars less than the new copy of said game. So it's not always a case of not having money. It's sometimes a case of being a cheap prick. Not to mention, you can sometimes buy a new copy for even cheaper than a GameStop used price off Amazon.
Depending on the company is who I've decided to buy used and new from to give direct support. Example being, I have planns to try out Final Fantasy XIII eventually. However, I am refusing to buy it new as to not support Square directly for how shitty they have become and how much they keep pushing out remakes of Final Fantasy IV. Same with Activision. I'll give Prototype 2 an eventual try, but because they're assholes I won't buy it new.
In most cases, the used versions of games can cost a mere 5 dollars less than the new copy of said game. So it's not always a case of not having money. It's sometimes a case of being a cheap prick. Not to mention, you can sometimes buy a new copy for even cheaper than a GameStop used price off Amazon.
Depending on the company is who I've decided to buy used and new from to give direct support. Example being, I have planns to try out Final Fantasy XIII eventually. However, I am refusing to buy it new as to not support Square directly for how shitty they have become and how much they keep pushing out remakes of Final Fantasy IV. Same with Activision. I'll give Prototype 2 an eventual try, but because they're assholes I won't buy it new.
As someone who chooses to spend most of my gaming dollars on new titles because I'd rather the majority of my support go to the developer than the retailer, if it becomes clear that this really is the prevalent attitude in the industry? Then I don't see myself buying nearly as many new titles. I'm sorry, that comparison is unfair, and demonstrates a kind of contempt for customers. I understand that used sales don't go directly to the developer/publisher, but they are customers in the sense that they are clearly interested in the product, often will by other titles, and contribute to the retail ecosystem that supports gaming in its current state.
How come we never ueqr of movie studios or authors complaining about this? Oh? Because they're aware of how capitalism works?
My comment disappeared from the box before I clicked post. Anyone else have that problem?
Anyway, I meant to tell Mike West not to worry. I won't pirate Fable III, or by it used. I won't buy it on sale or even for full price. Because I heard it sucks!
Hope that helps.
Anyway, I meant to tell Mike West not to worry. I won't pirate Fable III, or by it used. I won't buy it on sale or even for full price. Because I heard it sucks!
Hope that helps.
Maybe Lionhead should make a good game for the first time since Fable 1 and then give people a reason to buy it brand new.
I bought Fable 2/3 Brand New and was sorely disappointed in both, ESPECIALLY 3. I don't see myself buying a new Lionhead game for a long while to come.
I bought Fable 2/3 Brand New and was sorely disappointed in both, ESPECIALLY 3. I don't see myself buying a new Lionhead game for a long while to come.
Less talk more Black and White 3 you useless peon.
Now the series of aborted foetuses that are the Fable games have got a trilogy, make a fucking Kinect Black and White and quit yer bitchin.
Now the series of aborted foetuses that are the Fable games have got a trilogy, make a fucking Kinect Black and White and quit yer bitchin.
@Vincent Pavey
Man, you'd think that Fable 2 would be bad enough to scare you away from ever buying Fable 3 new.
Man, you'd think that Fable 2 would be bad enough to scare you away from ever buying Fable 3 new.
Well, I use GameFly, so I don't buy new or used or pirate- I rent. Does that make me a truly horrible person then, Mr. West?
If I couldn't trade games in I wouldn't be able to afford to buy more than two, possibly thre enew games a year. Even then I'd be sure to wait for the first price drop. If you want day one sales form me then you have to accept that I'm going to be trading games in against it.
Hell if it wasn't for the used games market I never would have given Fable a try in the first place, which in turn did lead to me buying both Fable 2 and 3 new. I never would have bothered with Halo, or Tomb Raider, or Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Dynasty Warriors, Tekken, Street Fighter, Virtua Fighter, Call Of Duty and a whole bunch of other series that I have ended up liking and buying new later.
People who pirate games, when demos are so common now, do not then go and buy the game new. Look at the DS and the R4. People do buy a second hand game because taking a punt on a cheap game isn't too painful if it turns out to suck and when it turns out it doesn't suck they often then do go on to support the series "properly" by buying new in future.
And if your game is a one-off then by the time people are buying it from the second hand bargain bin then it's probably already half a year since shops stocked your title new anyway.
Hell if it wasn't for the used games market I never would have given Fable a try in the first place, which in turn did lead to me buying both Fable 2 and 3 new. I never would have bothered with Halo, or Tomb Raider, or Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Dynasty Warriors, Tekken, Street Fighter, Virtua Fighter, Call Of Duty and a whole bunch of other series that I have ended up liking and buying new later.
People who pirate games, when demos are so common now, do not then go and buy the game new. Look at the DS and the R4. People do buy a second hand game because taking a punt on a cheap game isn't too painful if it turns out to suck and when it turns out it doesn't suck they often then do go on to support the series "properly" by buying new in future.
And if your game is a one-off then by the time people are buying it from the second hand bargain bin then it's probably already half a year since shops stocked your title new anyway.
So funny to see this kind of reactionary complaint. Why do developers always start ranting about used games rather than try to figure out why the used game market is so huge?
Dammit Lionhead. Stop wasting everyone's time making idiotic statements about used games and making garbage Kinect games or unfinished titles like Fable 3.
Make another Black & White instead.
Make another Black & White instead.
""Piracy these days on PC is probably less problematic than secondhand sales on the Xbox"
That is a true statement - You don't have DRM from services on the PC protecting the developer from trade-ins or second hand sales.
Hence, why developers want everyone to sell their soul to digital distribution...The place where second hand sales go to die.
That is a true statement - You don't have DRM from services on the PC protecting the developer from trade-ins or second hand sales.
Hence, why developers want everyone to sell their soul to digital distribution...The place where second hand sales go to die.
Yay someone brought up used cars, my favorite analogy. Used markets in general are completely fine as nearly all merchandise suffers from wear and tear over time, degrading the value as compared to a newly manufactured unit. Used game sellers have the unique advantage of being able to pass on a used unit that is functionally identical to a new unit. The maximum loss of value will be degredation of the case and manual. The game code will not degrade with use. If you could go buy a used car that was functionally identical to one rolling off the line, you can bet your ass that industry would be up in arms about it. This is why day 1 content and the like are brilliant in my mind. It allows for the degraded cost of a used game to reflect an actual degredation of value, as opposed to selling the EXACT SAME product while bypassing the actual content producer.
@dtomek:
There is "wear and tear". You're saying COD 2 prices stay constant when COD 3 comes out? Or launch games with no sequel (say Kameo) are the same used price that they used to be?
There is "wear and tear". You're saying COD 2 prices stay constant when COD 3 comes out? Or launch games with no sequel (say Kameo) are the same used price that they used to be?
Ya know what I don't get, whenever used sales is brought up everyone thinks of Gamestop. If used sales is such a problem for your company than why create day 1 dlc and preorder bonuses for the business that makes most of its profits off the used sales that you claim is hurting your company? I mean if used sales is such a huge problem for these publishers than why don't they quit supporting the one business thats the king of the used sale market.
Fact: The defenses for the used game market are the same defenses for piracy (other than the legality, but the game companies are working on that).
Requires a legal copy to start? How do pirates crack the game in the first place?
Lets poorer gamers get to play? Check.
It's a way to fight back against unreasonable game company sales strategies? Check (DRM/ Overpricing).
May get players interested in the game before getting the developer money? Wait a minute, used gamers aren't going to buy the same game twice.
I just go for the best of both worlds with steam sales, personally.
Requires a legal copy to start? How do pirates crack the game in the first place?
Lets poorer gamers get to play? Check.
It's a way to fight back against unreasonable game company sales strategies? Check (DRM/ Overpricing).
May get players interested in the game before getting the developer money? Wait a minute, used gamers aren't going to buy the same game twice.
I just go for the best of both worlds with steam sales, personally.
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