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I don't mind the "it's done when it's done" approach. We'd have a lot more higher quality games if that was more common.
If you don't set goals you probably won't end up with a good product.
Only a handful of companies have the luxury of taking their time and they got to that stage by working hard and meeting deadlines.
Only a handful of companies have the luxury of taking their time and they got to that stage by working hard and meeting deadlines.
if that 3 years is spent making a pretentious 2d platformer that's only about an hour long, i'm going to scream.
especially if everyone goes gaga for it (seems anything with a quirky art style about a big-headed child protagonist in an oppressive world wins gets acclaim these days. it's like oscar bait... for video games)
especially if everyone goes gaga for it (seems anything with a quirky art style about a big-headed child protagonist in an oppressive world wins gets acclaim these days. it's like oscar bait... for video games)
Waa you don't like Limbo we get it....and go ahead and scream nobody cares.
Can't wait to see what these guys do next. Limbo was great IMO.
Can't wait to see what these guys do next. Limbo was great IMO.
Jeffrey wins the comments.
And yeah, if your next game takes 3 years and isn't longer than Limbo I'm going to have to ask what you're doing. Hell Portal 2 didn't take 3 years.
And yeah, if your next game takes 3 years and isn't longer than Limbo I'm going to have to ask what you're doing. Hell Portal 2 didn't take 3 years.
@njsykora
I think its unfair to compare an indie team to the experienced devs at Valve. Especially when Playdead is starting on an unfamiliar engine and Valve has been using their proprietary engine for like 6+ years.
I think its unfair to compare an indie team to the experienced devs at Valve. Especially when Playdead is starting on an unfamiliar engine and Valve has been using their proprietary engine for like 6+ years.
You give a gamer something different and it's pretentious. You give them something the same and it's boring. You can't win.
P.S. People loved Limbo because it's a great game. The end.
P.S. People loved Limbo because it's a great game. The end.
Love the hate for Limbo in these comments. After all it's not like YOU guys could create something so unique and involving, is it?
3 years
To play another 48 minute (That's what Limbo lasted to my, without speedrunning, while dying a lot)
To play another 48 minute (That's what Limbo lasted to my, without speedrunning, while dying a lot)
If you don't like Limbo then why in the fuck would you click on a Limbo related story? Oh that's right, you hate something people like and YOU CAN'T STAND that feeling and must comment with negativity.
Don't like Limbo? Cool. Don't play it then. Just don't go around bitching at it when there is no reason.
Don't like Limbo? Cool. Don't play it then. Just don't go around bitching at it when there is no reason.
Limbo was fun while it lasted, but definitely not worth the inflated $15 tag.
And this guy must be the entire development team for it to take 3.5 years for a new game. That's honestly pretty crazy and most definitely not a sustainable business model in the indie sphere.
What I'm saying is, if you're planning for the next game to take that long to make then you're doing it wrong. Either by biting off more than you can chew or just by physically designing games incorrectly.
I mean, it's not like you had to write music for your LAST game, and your chosen art style should have sped up level design by quite a bit, so that's some saved time right there.
And this guy must be the entire development team for it to take 3.5 years for a new game. That's honestly pretty crazy and most definitely not a sustainable business model in the indie sphere.
What I'm saying is, if you're planning for the next game to take that long to make then you're doing it wrong. Either by biting off more than you can chew or just by physically designing games incorrectly.
I mean, it's not like you had to write music for your LAST game, and your chosen art style should have sped up level design by quite a bit, so that's some saved time right there.
How is Limbo pretentious? Jean-Luc Godard is pretentious, not a unique and simple game with a nice art style.
I thought Limbo was short and sweet. The challenge in the gameplay was split between figuring out what to do and executing it technically with the controller. Off the top of my head I can't think of any part of the gameplay that was lacking in quality - it felt solid to me.
Playing a game this macabre felt new to me, as well. Not only could the little boy that was your character die, the game's developers had him die in some really grotesque ways. The lack of colour fit that vibe, also.
The "music" was atmospheric, nothing wrong with it.
As for the story, when I bought the game off Steam, its premise was presented as "Uncertain of his sister's fate, a boy enters LIMBO". I wonder, though, whether everyone saw this tagline. I didn't see it in the actual game. If you missed it, you wouldn't know going into the game what your character was there to do.
There's the full price "Standard Game" experience, then there's Limbo's low price "Light Game" experience. The story fit that, I thought. The way it was told wasn't familiar to me, but I can't fault it for anything. It fit the "Light Game" experience.
The game is short, yes, but I've come to appreciate short games of late. Braid, VVVVVV, and Bionic Commando: Rearmed are three of the best games I've played in recent years. Game length and quality are independant, in my opinion.
Did it blow my mind? No. But it did not dissapoint. That's more than I can say for most games I play.
It taught me yet another way in which a game can be presented, and still be a valid, original experience.
Playing a game this macabre felt new to me, as well. Not only could the little boy that was your character die, the game's developers had him die in some really grotesque ways. The lack of colour fit that vibe, also.
The "music" was atmospheric, nothing wrong with it.
As for the story, when I bought the game off Steam, its premise was presented as "Uncertain of his sister's fate, a boy enters LIMBO". I wonder, though, whether everyone saw this tagline. I didn't see it in the actual game. If you missed it, you wouldn't know going into the game what your character was there to do.
There's the full price "Standard Game" experience, then there's Limbo's low price "Light Game" experience. The story fit that, I thought. The way it was told wasn't familiar to me, but I can't fault it for anything. It fit the "Light Game" experience.
The game is short, yes, but I've come to appreciate short games of late. Braid, VVVVVV, and Bionic Commando: Rearmed are three of the best games I've played in recent years. Game length and quality are independant, in my opinion.
Did it blow my mind? No. But it did not dissapoint. That's more than I can say for most games I play.
It taught me yet another way in which a game can be presented, and still be a valid, original experience.
@ricochetguro
It's not necessarily the game that's pretentious, but it's some of it's followers. For instance It's okay to say that you didn't like Red Dead Redemption, or Super Mario Galaxy 2 although both of those games got high praise most people understand that everyone is not going to like the same game, but if I say that I was disappointed by Limbo I get bombarded by people telling me I don't understand art (which is false because I went to art school, and I know my stuff), and that I'm against new experiences (Which is not true I actually really wanted to like the game). I can understand why so many liked it, but just because it was an Indie game that's considered art people act like the game is exempt from criticism and that if you didn't love it you hate art, and new experiences.
Jean-Luc Godard isn't all that bad, his movies can drag on a bit, and the dialog can become condescending, but his movies have their moments. In my opinion the editing, shot framing, and fashion are the main highlights of his film. I like his stuff, and he's actually inspired me as a filmaker, but I will admit he is a bit of a one trick pony, and many of his films have long scenes that are completely pointless.
It's not necessarily the game that's pretentious, but it's some of it's followers. For instance It's okay to say that you didn't like Red Dead Redemption, or Super Mario Galaxy 2 although both of those games got high praise most people understand that everyone is not going to like the same game, but if I say that I was disappointed by Limbo I get bombarded by people telling me I don't understand art (which is false because I went to art school, and I know my stuff), and that I'm against new experiences (Which is not true I actually really wanted to like the game). I can understand why so many liked it, but just because it was an Indie game that's considered art people act like the game is exempt from criticism and that if you didn't love it you hate art, and new experiences.
Jean-Luc Godard isn't all that bad, his movies can drag on a bit, and the dialog can become condescending, but his movies have their moments. In my opinion the editing, shot framing, and fashion are the main highlights of his film. I like his stuff, and he's actually inspired me as a filmaker, but I will admit he is a bit of a one trick pony, and many of his films have long scenes that are completely pointless.
Original Limbo, however good it is, just isnt long enough for its price point. I love it to peices but despite this, I can see that others may have felt short changed somewhat.
Im not saying it should have had a 20 hour campaign, but for 1200 points it should have been longer or sold for less points.
Short games can be appreciated of course, but only when they are sold for appropriate prices for the content contained within.
All that being said, Limbo stands proud among my top 360 games.
Im not saying it should have had a 20 hour campaign, but for 1200 points it should have been longer or sold for less points.
Short games can be appreciated of course, but only when they are sold for appropriate prices for the content contained within.
All that being said, Limbo stands proud among my top 360 games.
They are Danes! They're laid back and probably have a relaxed attitude, thats the real reason its gonna take them 3 years. I'm Danish, I should know! Right now i'm reading Destructoid when I should be working! I'll get it done, before I pick up my copy of Deus Ex.
Although it was way short and there was basically no reason to replay other than to show other people how bad ass it was, I loved Limbo. Even my wife fell in love with it watching me play. The puzzles were fun, the atmosphere was enchanting... Only complaint was the length.
I thought Limbo was a fairly fun platformer, nothing against it as a game. Just didn't feel there was anything particularly unique about beyond the art style and certainly nothing that would've justified a 3 year development time.
@Xzyliac
Like Diablo II & III, Shadow of the Colossus & The Last Guardian,
Like Guild Wars 2, Bioshock Infinite, etc?
If a studio has the luxury of having their own deadlines as opposed to a fiscal one, 9 times out of ten you get a quality game. If its rushed you get almost everything else out there.
DNF wasn't just delayed and you know that.
Like Diablo II & III, Shadow of the Colossus & The Last Guardian,
Like Guild Wars 2, Bioshock Infinite, etc?
If a studio has the luxury of having their own deadlines as opposed to a fiscal one, 9 times out of ten you get a quality game. If its rushed you get almost everything else out there.
DNF wasn't just delayed and you know that.
@Epic
Why is it not worth 15 dollars to you?
Im sincerely curious as you seem like a reasonable guy.
Are you judging the quality of a gaming experience based on its length or the based on its price of admission?
All I know is that if that was the case then I would have easily paid $200.00 for Final Fantasy 6 back in the day.
(I also find it funny that no one complains about buying a $25 dollar blue ray that will probably only be watched a handfull of times.)
The bigger question is, what is your time really worth and how come it varies so widely across different form of entertainment?
Why is it not worth 15 dollars to you?
Im sincerely curious as you seem like a reasonable guy.
Are you judging the quality of a gaming experience based on its length or the based on its price of admission?
All I know is that if that was the case then I would have easily paid $200.00 for Final Fantasy 6 back in the day.
(I also find it funny that no one complains about buying a $25 dollar blue ray that will probably only be watched a handfull of times.)
The bigger question is, what is your time really worth and how come it varies so widely across different form of entertainment?
limbo was great and as for the time its not so bad seeing that they're useing a new engine. the game was a bit short but it had a level of challenge and its story was simple yet open. much of the games story is left up to the player to sort out and that lets limbo speak to player in many ways. thats why i think limbo rocked.
limbo was great and as for the time its not so bad seeing that they're useing a new engine. the game was a bit short but it had a level of challenge and its story was simple yet open. much of the games story is left up to the player to sort out and that lets limbo speak to player in many ways. thats why i think limbo rocked.
limbo was great and as for the time its not so bad seeing that they're useing a new engine. the game was a bit short but it had a level of challenge and its story was simple yet open. much of the games story is left up to the player to sort out and that lets limbo speak to player in many ways. thats why i think limbo rocked.
limbo was great and as for the time its not so bad seeing that they're useing a new engine. the game was a bit short but it had a level of challenge and its story was simple yet open. much of the games story is left up to the player to sort out and that lets limbo speak to player in many ways. thats why i think limbo rocked.
People spend $25-for-2 to see a movie filled with mind numbing garbage (generally speaking) so I don't understand why people get their panties in a bunch about a $15 game that was fantastic for the same amount of time.
Also next time don't click on a link about a developer you've already, with a closed-mind, decided to hate and post your nonsense. We get it you didn't like Limbo because it was "pretentious" or as I call it, "Something other than 1st/3rd person killing sprees".
Also next time don't click on a link about a developer you've already, with a closed-mind, decided to hate and post your nonsense. We get it you didn't like Limbo because it was "pretentious" or as I call it, "Something other than 1st/3rd person killing sprees".
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