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Gamecyte recently interviewed California State Senator Leland Yee about his crusade against "harmful" videogames in an interview that pooled the questions of games media writers across the 'net. I was asked to provide my own question for Mr. Yee, but sadly I am told he "did not answer it." I merely wanted to know why Yee had to resort to hyperbole and scaremongering to get across his valid warnings about children and videogames, but I guess it was a bit too confrontational for the video.
 
Either way, the interview (Gamecyte has a full transcript too) provides an interesting glimpse at Leland Yee's agenda, and is an excellent example of the myopic views of the anti-games lobby. Most telling of all is Yee's dismissal of facts that undermine his "games are harmful" position. This quote here perfectly sums up the mindset of people like Yee:
 "I haven’t read the study and all that, but in all the psychological literature, there has been a consistent reporting of a correlation between playing these games and violent behavior, so that is undisputed."
Of course, if Mr. Yee had bothered to read all the material on a subject he feels strongly about, he'd have realized that the reports are FAR from consistent and that claims of videogames and violence links are highly disputed indeed. However, by his own admission he has NOT read all available material, yet is bold enough to claim that every report backs up his belief.
 
And that is my problem with Leland Yee. I respect his concerns when it comes to protecting children, but it's the fact that he and others cannot do it without the ignorance, the twisted facts and the straight-up lies. This is the question I asked him that he did not answer -- why? Why lie? Why is it not just as harmful to contribute to a mass hysteria over videogames with petty scaremongering that isn't fair on anybody, be they worried parent or vilified game designer? But I didn't get the answer I wanted.
 
Hit the jump for part two of the video.







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Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 04:21
Cowboy TTop
This is why so many of us gamers get annoyed at this lot. They have an agenda, but haven't read the opposing point of view material available, haven't played the game etc.

I'm surprised that if he wants to be taken seriously, he hasn't used and researched all the material available. Perhaps he doesn't think gamers and games developers are worthy of fair such treatment. And this is why these kinds of views will never prevail, because they fail to be fair and judge material (either reading or playing a game) with an open mind is below them.

I think they don't bother because its easy to judge a film or book which are shorter and give a fair critique. Games take more time and commitment, but this is still no valid excuse.

Perhaps the likes of Yee and JT, should ask themselves, just how commited are you to criticising violent games, when you haven't sampled any yourselves? If their faith was strong enough in what they believe, I'm sure they'd venture into the belly of the console beast (all Moses like) and pick up a game pad.
Unicorn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 04:31
Unicorn
i actually thought he was a more level-headed than most of the anti-game people. he repeatedly said he respects the first amendment and isn't out to stop violent games, he just wants them to be out of reach of children, but it's not going to change.


just like kids can see R movies. parents. it's all on the parents. you can set all the laws you want preventing minors from getting to adult content, but it always slips through the grapevine.

parents take kids to see adult movies, parents buy their kids alcohol, parents let their kids smoke one of their cigarettes, and parents let their kids play adult video games.

it's not about a non-objective rating board, it's about parents decisions in raising their kids and the fact that when their kids turn sour, they have easy scape goats. This generation is video games, previous ones were rock 'n roll.

as the times change the excuses do as well, but it all has the same root. parents.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 04:35
Jim Sterling
Unicorn: He IS level headed, and like I say, I respect his views quite a bit. But he is also highly ignorant and needs to spread misinformation to help his cause. If he didn't do that, I'd be fully behind the man.
Unicorn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 04:42
Unicorn
also, isn't AO just 18+

so their whole argument is that 17+ isn't enough for GTA... it needs that additional year? psh
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 04:42
Volomon
Actually after hearing what he said, I really don't have problems with them implementing a law requiring minors to be accompany by an adult or some other REASONABLE measure. Maybe if it was implemented in the entire country the ESRB and the gaming industry would be more likely to set the M rating a little looser and even possibly getting material above that rating thats NOT porn.

I don't see anything wrong with not allowing game stores to sell games to kids who are not the age required to purchase it.
MatCD's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 04:46
MatCD
Wow, ever time I push a button a Human Being gets Decapitated?

Jack the Ripper has got nothing on me. (light joke because Unicorn spoke my opinion better then I could)

P.S.
If you want to manage School/Public Shootings, then I think Gun Control would be the topic to go after and not Video Game Regulation.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 04:49
Jim Sterling
You have to remember, Leland Yee isn't just a lobbyist. He's a huge tax drain who spends thousands of his State's tax dollars on trying to push through a law which has been quashed several times.

Yee is a reactionary who uses fear and ignorance to get his point across rather than be a true educator who could do some real societal good. And the worst part is, he uses other people's money to do it.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:02
Volomon
You know I agree that wasting taxpayers money is bad, but when I look into his eyes, I see the common man. Confused, scared, and ready to try to do something about it. If he isn't the representation of the people I don't know what is.

So I'm kind of split on the issue. On one hand maybe less whiny voices on the PSN. On the other hand my kid would have to get me out of the car everytime she wants to play GTA#. Ah who the hell am I kidding I'd be in there anyway.

Really I don't know of any stores who sell to minors anyway, hell half of them think its already illegal.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:11
Timmeh
Maybe if the videogame industry actually stood up for itself instead of just sitting by in silence while its customers take up the fight we might get somewhere.

In any other industry, these innacurate stories about how harmful their product is and the outright lies told would be met with an invitation to turn up at court and pay out large sums of money.

Publishers & developers sit idly by scooping up the cash while people use videogames as a scapegoat for all that is wrong and to push their agendas. Then one day all their top selling titles will be banned and it'll be the fault of piracy or some shit.
Chris Morris's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:16
Chris Morris
Being a California native, I actually wrote to Arnold requesting that he vote against the proposition that Lee wrote being approved into law. So much for democracy, huh?
Sirapak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:33
Sirapak
Jim you deserved an answer, I also don't want kids to get violent video games but thats the fucking parents responsibility not the video game industry.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:54
Volomon
@TIMMAH It's called the ESA, also libel and slander doesn't include generalization statements. Hes not saying any one game has tities being cut off, nor in anyway would it be slander or libel if he did. In no way would it damage the developers reputation.
JOURN3Y's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:56
JOURN3Y
What is the point of this law when stores are not allowed to sell M-rated games to kids who are under 17? Even if the stores sell them, the stores *cough*gamestop*cough* should fix the problem. Kids have many ways to get M-rated games, but parents are the biggest factor, a law to ban and prohibit sales isn't going to work when parents blindly buy the games for their children.
Where's teh family love?

Also you cannot blame all the school violence on video games, we have to fight bullying and alienation. Video games may come and go but there will always be bullying. When schools aren't funded enough to provide enough counselors or anti-bullying programs, how can we stop the problem at the root and not at the top?

Fools.
Tamz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:58
Tamz
Yeah he makes good points and his goal of protecting the children from violent games is great but the problem is that he's not willing to take his fight to where it should be, retailers and parents, but as we all know places like Walmart have a lot of power, and god forbid they risk offending parents by telling them it's partially their fault and they should pay some attention to what their children are buying a playing.
In my opinion the parents of the columbine shooters and all the other deranged killers are just as much to blame as the killers themselves, instead of keeping an eye on their children and making sure they stay out of trouble they just let them do as they please then pull faces when their kids have just shot up a school or something, educate the parents, and regulate the omnipotent retailers.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 05:59
Timmeh
@Volomon

In this particular guys case but I mean the wider issue really.

There's been plenty of occasions where specific games have been called out as sick, degenerative filth that nobody should play or whatever. The biggest reaction we've seen is an letter sent from EA to Fox on the Mass Effect thing, appealing to their 'sense of fairness' (lol).

If these companies actually started fighting back then maybe media outlets would think twice about publishing sensationalist stories if there was a chance they would be forced to publicly retract them the following day.
Respectable Gentleman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 06:43
Respectable Gentleman
I know that nothing that I could ever see or experience in a videogame could ever make me want to kill people. I don't think that's the issue though. These anti-gamers might be worried that other real life contributing factors (bullying, depression) in combination with the "training" we get from games makes us better killers.

My question is that if the market was saturated with porn games, would we all be trained lovers? I like to think we would.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 06:43
Velt
This guys are Jack Thompson´s, they dont care if something is right, wrong or simple there is no black and white. They have an agenda and a target.

Does anyone think Jack Thompson would be doing all he does if he wasnt a lawyer making money out of saying stupid things?
Cryoplasma's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 06:56
Cryoplasma
The belief that someone should not speak about a subject until they have read all the available material on that subject is pretty ignorant. To expect someone to read the, probably, thousands of studies done on videogames is simply unrealistic. That being said, having SOME knowledge of the opposing views/studies would be beneficial for an educated opinion on a subject.

Though most of you probably have no education in the field of empirical studies, what most of you therefore do not know is that a good statistician can make a study show that there is a correlation between ANYTHING. If I wanted to show that there is a correlation between mailbag sales in Ghana and violent behavior, I could do so. That fact is what most people do not know about 'statistics'. You should always take the results of empirical studies with a grain of salt because the people running the studies often times have an agenda--in this case the people throwing out statistics that claim there is a correlation between violent videogames and violent behavior clearly have an agenda to show that correlation. Now, that goes for both sides of the argument, however, the "Grand Theft Childhood" study had no reason to cater to either side of the videogame argument and is therefore probably a better example of a unbiased statistical study of the correlation between videogames and violent behavior. I'm sure there are other unbiased studies out there, but the important thing is to know that most of the studies are biased and have some sort of agenda behind them to show a certain relationship between videogames and behavior.

In this interview, Yee does not condemn videogames or call them evil. He stands up for the first amendment and says that people should be allowed to express their views through videogames. All he wants is for a better (uncorrupted) rating system and a better system to keep mature rated games out of the hands of children. I cannot in good conscious say that he is wrong for wanting either of those things. After playing Grand Theft Auto IV, I can honestly say that I would never want my future children to play the game until they are at least 17 years old (I dont have children--lol).
MatCD's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 06:58
MatCD
Wow Jim, you just made me a lot more fearful of him then I was before.

I live in California, and thank god I going to get to vote in the next election. (18th birth day in 2 months)
juhok's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 07:23
juhok
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?

Seriously though, wouldn't it be better if nobody just payed attention to this twerp?
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 07:30
Cowboy TTop
I disagree Cryo. As an example, if you were taking this to say court, you'd want to know what the otherside has in order to make your moves (you'd think he'd want to do the same, to help his case). I think the fear for him is that the possibility exist for him to be wrong by looking at both sides. Perhaps my previous 'all the material' you might have blown out of proportion. I mean whatever is relevant to what he's harping about, narrow it down how you want.

I'm as much for keeping adult games out of the hands of kids as the next guy. However, kids can be cunning and clever, and under the forbidden fruit aspects of life and being human, they will always seek what they can't have. Parents do need to step up to the plate though, regardless. Problem is, people like Yee live in fear of the very people they need to criticise, the voting parents. That's the big shame, next to the games industry not driving the message home enough about ratings.

Maybe more TV, press and net ads are needed.
Sirapak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 07:45
Sirapak
@KAPKOMI
Holy Jesus monkey balls! You made a good observation. The young people would only vote if it effected their video games.
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 07:48
Murumasa123
Jesus from what he is describing it sounds like interactive fuckign snuff!
He is a moron though as he truly believes that the hypodermic needle is the only theory that applies to games but that there is a two step flow or even NO reaction to tv or books is fucking nuts.
Sure like Jack he has a good idea but trouble is he doesn't understand new culture. Im with the guy as well take kids away from GTA, i mean until their parents feel they want to buy them the game and they are mature enough, and he does stnad for the first admenment.
Its such a grey fuckign area that a 17 year odl aint as mature as a 18 year old. Fuck at 12 i played GTA and when i was 4 i watched aliens. Its becuase im not fucked up anyway that i havn't shot up a school. Hell if a bullied, messed up abused kid took an AK into school id blame the latest media rather than SHOCK, the parents or society itself.
Ah well he'll die out in 50 years- DOWN WITH VR PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!
Monkeynuts8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 08:02
Monkeynuts8
Reading something is passive so ok? all right, all those bomb manuals i have lying around are cool then.
Sirapak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 08:02
Sirapak
oh my! when virtual reality comes out! PARENTS WILL GO APESHIT! MORE SO THAN NOW! GTA 6 VR!!!
Brandon Undead's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 08:10
Brandon Undead
UN-DIS-PUT-ED.

What part of that don't you understand, Sterling!?
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 08:11
Timmeh
Oh my, GTA: Virtual Reality?

I better put a plastic cover on my sofa ready for all those trips down back alleys with them hookers.
BravoNavo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 09:18
BravoNavo
What offends me more than Lee's dodging of questions is that the interviewer consistently allows him to get away with the misinformation instead of correcting him. I'm not saying that he should be completely confrontational, but please point out if something is grossly wrong (i.e. no school shootings before Columbine).

Also, the MPAA is funded by six major movie studios. Conspiracy?
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 09:29
Shin Oni
its people like Yee who show just how stupid americans are.

Man: i'm clearly not qualified for this job but I can do this!

Boss: You're Hired!!
MatCD's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 10:04
MatCD
oh fuck off Sirapak, it's not like I give a damn what you vote for. I only though thought it would be relevant to the discussion, but 2 sentences apparently sheds light on my whole agenda.

fuck off if I want to talk video game politics on a video game web site and not straight up politics. It's not like you need to know who I'm voting for.
jakethebob's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 10:06
jakethebob
what really annoyed me about this video is when he is talking about the statistics he says "you didn't hear about" yeah you didnt hear about them but they were still happening the news was just not all over them like not so that means the statistics would still be there we just didn't hear about it
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 10:28
king3vbo
Its the same way with any other "moral" issue. It doesnt matter if a politician knows what he is talking about. Its pandering to constituents, in this case stupid parents.
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 11:03
Char Aznable
"It is really about limiting and restricting the sale of these ultraviolent video games to our children. Absent that, I'm not going to stand in the way of any of the gamers, and any of the game developers, from doing whatever they think..."

Wow, that's the most level-headed criticism of the video game industry that I've ever heard, and I'll happily support that notion. Hell, I don't even want my 12-year-old sister in the same room as me when I'm playing GTAIV.

Although Yee made a few uninformed points that set off red flags in my mind, I didn't see anything unreasonable in his main argument. Let adults enjoy whatever they want (within reason), and keep an eye on what kids are playing. If you give parents more responsibility in making these decisions and leave my gaming alone, everyone wins.

With that said, little Timmy will find a way to get his hands on GTAIV if he really want to play it, legislation or not.
PetiePal's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 11:38
PetiePal
If only we had George Takei as the rep.

I mean no one expects governmentals to actually read the crap they preach lol. The ignorance runs deep
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 12:37
mistic
why does every anti-video-game-lobyist sound like he has never actually touched a game?
Wiid Whacker's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 13:24
Wiid Whacker
@ MISTIC

Because they haven't, except for maybe something like Tetris.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 15:03
loki d20
A lot of what he says isn't wrong, just his opinion on how children need to be better protected from mature content. The problem is the way he says many things and the type of people who back him because they find video games to be the true source of all of our problems.

But, regardless of how I agree with his sentiments on preventing kids from obtaining these type of media, they will need to do this for all forms of media at the same time or nothing at all, which would in turn remove part of a child's rights to freedom of speech.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 15:29
Sharpless
As Jim said, I'm sympathetic to their cause, in the sense that I also think kids shouldn't be playing violent games. However, I'm extremely bothered by their ignorance on the issue. It's rampant. They do not read the reports, they do not pay attention to the details, they do not research what they speak against. They are acting like complete and utter fools.

They really should be laughed out of their jobs, when they show this degree of ignorance. If only.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/20/2008 17:30
Aaron Mxy Yost
Passing a law banning the sale of video games to minors is a violation of the first amendment, which is why these bills are always shot down by the courts. The ESRB is a private organization, and you can't enforce laws based on their rating scales (the same with the MPAA). If the government took over the responsiblity of rating games, then you get into the problem of state censorship. Lawmakers need to stop wasting taxpayer money on these efforts. It's the responsiblity of the retailers to not sell M rated games to minors (and the vast majority of stores have such policies in effect), and the responsiblity of parents to monitor the media their children are exposed to.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 16:12
Bob Muir
I think you raise an excellent point about the fact that these politicians do have a good cause, but are going about it in entirely the wrong way.
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