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Legend of Zelda timeline exists, Nintendo keeps it secret photo

One of the most hilariously controversial debates surround The Legend of Zelda is the question of whether or not there's an official timeline. More fuel's been thrown on the fire with Nintendo's Dan Owsen revealing that Nintnedo has a timeline, hidden away under lock and key. 

"You know, at one point we had drafted a timeline and wanted to make it available online," he said. "We showed it to the guys in Japan and they basically told us that it would be best if we didn’t post it. They do have a timeline that has continuity between the games but they wanted to keep it open for how each player views the chronology of the series. There are a lot of connections between the games, but they do have a timeline that has continuity. It’s up to the player to place all the pieces together.

"... The developers feel that posting a full narrative would take away from the players’ imagination. Part of what makes the series so special is the legend that spans across the series and they wanted to preserve that in the players’ vision. It’s also why they have never given Link a voice. The story is told as if the player is Link. Giving him a voice would eliminate that attachment."

So there you go. Timeline exists. Confirmed for the billionth time. Not that it'll stop the debates, as certain sectors of the Zelda fanbase continue to question its existence with as much enthusiasm as Koichi Sugiyama denying the Nanking Massacre. 

Dan Owsen Talks Zelda Timeline [Zelda Dungeon]








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killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:04
killias2
If they have one, it's probably less well-formed and based in the games than most of the fan theories out there. Personally, I don't think they have one and, even if they do, then I don't think it's meaningful at all.

They just don't care about maintaining an overall Zelda story.
mrplow8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:04
mrplow8
They don't want to post the timeline because they know that the minute they do people will be finding and pointing out every inconsistency in it.
M47R1X's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:04
M47R1X
I already have one in my mind. Still, I think it's dumb to hide it.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:05
Monodi
I recently came with the conclusion that The Legend of Zelda's point might be that there are several versions of the story with slight differences like actual legends do.
M47R1X's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:06
M47R1X
mrplow8, you're probably right. Many of the games don't fit into the timeline. Now how about Hyrule getting totally redone every time we see it, huh?
RoverTHX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:07
RoverTHX
Make sense to me, but I can already tell a small amount of people want it and want that information to show it off to people that don't care.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:07
Epic-Kx
I think it's like this:
LoZ
Link to the Past
OoT
Minish Cap
MM
II: Links Adventure
Links Awakening
Oracle of Ages
Twilight Princess
Skyward
Wind Waker.


There. An inconsistent and rubbish timeline only ninty would approve!
Dr-Peace's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:07
Dr-Peace
I call bullshit.

I'm like one of the biggest Zelda fans around, and I refuse to believe there is a timeline until they show me said 20 year old, coffee/sake stained document.

How am I supposed to believe that Miyamoto (god among men) PLANNED this series, the same man who thought that Super Mario Galaxy had TOO MUCH STORY which it SOOO didn't...

I don't even get why people care, other than to feel better about how much time they've wasted on this subject.

The Zelda series is practically rebooted with every single game and that's an incredible achievement, there are hardly any elements that carry over and every game is pretty much self contained. If there WAS a timeline, it barely even counts for anything...
myosan8bit's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:08
myosan8bit
the only timeline I need is check a new zelda game every year
Rm88's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:13
Rm88
I love how Nintendo doesn't give a crap about story, and doesn't want the fans to give a crap about it either. Like that time when we were told the relationship between Popo and Nana, the Ice Climbers, was whatever we want it to be.
SteezyXL's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:13
SteezyXL
I swear I've seen this same exact news post on Dtoid before.
bbain's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:15
bbain
I think it's this:

Legend of Zelda
Zelda II
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Oracle of Ages/Seasons
Wind Waker
Minish Cap
Twilight Princess
Phantom Hourglass
Spirit Tracks
Skyward Sword
WonsAuto's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:15
WonsAuto
My expert analysis has confirmed the following is true:

Wind Waker ---> Phantom Hourglass ---> Spirit Tracks

Boom.
Gwendolyn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:19
Gwendolyn
@Dr-Peace: He said Mario Galaxy had too much story?? hahahahahahaha!!! oh man... XD

I never thought of a timeline, but if I had to have one it'd be: new game comes up, play it to death have fun, wait for the next one. THE END.

I also don't think there's a timeline; just a way to keep fans excited.
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:20
king kong five
If it's true that they have a timeline, I guarantee you that it's retroactively pieced together anyways. Who. Fucking. Cares.
DAVYDOCK's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:23
DAVYDOCK
Who gives a jumbo hotdog? I just cant wait for more relaxing Zelda :P
Griselda Gonzlez's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:26
Griselda Gonzlez
They couldn't keep continuity between OoT and MM, which are direct sequels, and people expect them to have a timeline for the entire series? That's crazy talk.
azlex's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:28
azlex
Pretty sure this is the timeline.

killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:28
killias2
I'm fairly sure that Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are supposed to be around the same time but in alternative continuities. (different outcomes of Ocarina of Time)

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Twilight_Princess#Setting - more on this
Shinobi13's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:29
Shinobi13
I believe it. Nintendo's known for their super secrets that fans take years, or even decades to figure out.
The bushes and clouds are the same sprite in SMB
SMB3 was actually a play
The connection with the Gamecube menu sound with the Famicom Disk System
Latest Zelda trailer played backwards
I'm betting you Nintendo still have lots of hidden gems that they only know about, which is why every now and then, we hear the same "Ho shit!" easter egg moment that implodes our head.
azlex's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:32
azlex
Pretty sure this is the timeline. had the wrong link for the last post

Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:34
Excel-2011
Every game happened at the same time. There is no timeline, only a time dot.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:34
-PL-
They DID give Link a voice though. And apparently he likes to yell "Skank!" a lot.
Pencoin's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:35
Pencoin
This isn't really new info but it was said by a Eiji Aonuma in a interview with NOM (The old Nintendo Official Magazine) but that's not exactly a well-known source so it's good to get a recent confirmation.

I'd love to get my hands on this, maybe in the wake of tonights Rapture?
PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:35
PhilK3nS3bb3n
I like games
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:39
pedrovay2003
Honestly, if you really want to figure out the timeline of the Zelda series, the important parts aren't that hard to see.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:40
Dv8thwonder
The timeline only exists in the minds of Zelda fanatics.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:42
Jonathan Holmes
Good thing story doesn't matter in Zelda games, or for most games for that matter.

Characterization is important. Storytelling is important. But the contents of the story it self? Not really that big of a big deal.
GoofierBrute's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:45
GoofierBrute
What Holmes said.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:47
Darren Nakamura
I'm sure it didn't exist until at least around the time that Ocarina originally released. The more recent games show clear connections between the different Links, but the earlier ones don't.
falsenipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:47
falsenipple
I don't want to meet or talk to the people this article seriously matters too...

Ok, I probably shouldn't make a trollish comment like that in regard to this post. I am so full of fail right now, and I am ashamed of myself.
mrplow8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:51
mrplow8
I think that Link's appearance in Soul Calibur 2 takes place after his appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. He's trying to obtain Soul Calibur so that he can use it to avenge his loss against Pikachu on Yoshi's Island.
Corey Buchillon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:52
Corey Buchillon
Ugh. aside from the worry that fans will point out inconsistancies, the whole "ITS UP TO YOUR IMAGINATION!" Thing is a cop out excuse imo.

The same way open ended ending in movies or especially anime are cop outs too.

Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:54
Monodi
@azlex

I like how it looks like a sword.
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:55
Scuffles
@Cryotek

Yeah I really don't get all the Twilight Princess hate either. The bosses were a bit on the easy side .... but I can't really recall a Zelda boss in the last hand full of games that has been super challenging.

The Zelda series definitely shines in one key area and that is that they are one of the few games that I consistently finish. Where as other series are more hit and miss.

As to the time line .... it would be interesting to know but meh they are fun regardless.
shinryu's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 13:57
shinryu
Here's the real timeline: it's the same game over and over again.
azlex's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:01
azlex
Right now (before Skyward Sword) I've heard a lot of people say that The Minish Cap is the first in the series, followed by The Four Swords, then Ocarina of time. I haven't played either of those. The next one is Ocarina of Time, then it splits into two timelines: adult link ending and young link ending. In the world where Link was an adult, the "hero of time" (as he was referred to in Wind Waker) had disappeared, hence the flooding to trap Gannondorf. I didn't play Spirit Tracks or Phantom Hourglass, but I heard they followed WW. Kid Link's world had Majora's Mask as a direct sequel, then Twilight Princess happened about 100 years after. Supposedly the Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages games, if you played thru both then linked the save games, you got a secret ending sequence that alludes to them being prequels to A Link to the Past. The instruction manual of Link's Awakening alludes to it being the sequel to A Link to the Past. The first Legend of Zelda and Adventures of Link are actually the last 2 in the series.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:11
Dv8thwonder
The only thing I know for sure is that the series has declined with time.
Ilostmycookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:14
Ilostmycookie
Well I doubt it could make the series MORE convoluted, but if they want to keep things shrouded in mystery then fine by me. I haven't played a zelda game since 2004.
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:18
naia-the-gamer
Azlex's timeline makes the most sense from everything we know and have read. But seriously Nintendo should cut the crap and post the damn thing. It would end a lot of stupid fanboy arguments.
Mad D's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:23
Mad D
I'm sure like network TV shows, they are just making it up as they go. Referring to older games using the current Link, to "Link" things together.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:30
Dv8thwonder
@naia-the-gamer The "legend" is the timeline. To release it would splinter the already fractured Zelda fanbase even further.
MrJoe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:30
MrJoe
Zelda timeline theories are very interesting and I think either calling that there is no timeline or releasing an actual timeline would ruin them. It's fun because it's a mystery, and revealing the answers would kill it.
imaGAMER801's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:34
imaGAMER801
i liked GT's time line i think ima stick with that cuz i myself cant come up with a rational time line even tho ive played every zelda except oracle of ages. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/zelda-retrospective-the-legend/15194
Tahiri's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:35
Tahiri
"It’s also why they have never given Link a voice. "

Except making him a kid in Wind Waker/etc is what ruined that (wanted to preserve that in the players’ vision) for me. So just give him a damned voice and tell us the time line.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:47
HEL105
Are people going to start demanding a timeline for Mario games next? Does Mario Paint come directly before Super Strikers, which details the events before Mario Party 5?
RIMoonlight's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:50
RIMoonlight
...yeah, he was totally only a kid in Wind Waker and it's assorted spinoffs!

The original Legend of Zelda, it's sequel and Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask?

WHAT'S THAT?
RIMoonlight's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:51
RIMoonlight
EDIT: Sorry, forgot Link to the Past and Oracle of Ages/Seasons and the Minish Cap and pretty much every Zelda game ever made excluding Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.
Nevi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:56
Nevi
Doesn't need one, don't care if there is one, and the people who lose sleep over their fan-produced time lines, and cry and whinge and argue about it and make e-petitions need to fuck off.
samuraiedward's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2011 14:56
samuraiedward
That is a bullshit excuse for not releasing the timeline and they're idiots for making that blaintness of a lie and cover up for keeping away the true timeline.
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