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Seems kind of lame on Beth's part. I mean, ever since FO3, the first two games have been selling better than they have in years. I bet Beth just wants a slice of that.
I know business is business but I wished they'd cut Interplay some slack. Interplay made some great games, created some amazing IP's and is trying to come back from financial ruin, give them some slack.
"Also, they’re asking for Interplay to pay up for all the “irreparable harm” and whatnot the studio caused Bethesda."
Did someone get raped and we missed it? Seriously, this stands out as one of the stupidest statement of the year.
Did someone get raped and we missed it? Seriously, this stands out as one of the stupidest statement of the year.
After reading the full article, I'm not really sure who to side with. On one hand, Bethesda looks like they're just trying to stick it in Interplay's ass now that they've reaped all the benefits of the Fallout license. On the other hand, if Interplay is in breach of contract, well.. business is business. Still sucks, though.
Does this mean that I need to buy the Fallout pack on steam quickly before Beth forces Interplay to take them off?
Reposting from my Gamasutra post..
"The plaintiff said because of the alleged trademark infringement, consumers have become confused between the makers of the pre-existing Fallout games and Bethesda's more recent Fallout 3 -- a situation that Bethesda wanted to avoid."
I think this is false. Any gamer worth their salt is going to know the difference between the companies and the styles of each of the games.
It's rubbish Bethsesda is suing Interplay for a compilation pack.
Bethesda has even tried to let gamers know that there is a DISTINCT difference between the first 2(3 if you count tactics)and Fallout 3.
(see http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/static/EkkFyZyApEEPudTRGA.php or http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/10-10-2008-529.html for references)
Does Bethesda think gamers are that dumb. Screenshots on the box would be dead giveaway.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25226
"The plaintiff said because of the alleged trademark infringement, consumers have become confused between the makers of the pre-existing Fallout games and Bethesda's more recent Fallout 3 -- a situation that Bethesda wanted to avoid."
I think this is false. Any gamer worth their salt is going to know the difference between the companies and the styles of each of the games.
It's rubbish Bethsesda is suing Interplay for a compilation pack.
Bethesda has even tried to let gamers know that there is a DISTINCT difference between the first 2(3 if you count tactics)and Fallout 3.
(see http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/static/EkkFyZyApEEPudTRGA.php or http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/10-10-2008-529.html for references)
Does Bethesda think gamers are that dumb. Screenshots on the box would be dead giveaway.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25226
What... what the fuck?
THEY WERE BEHIND THE ORIGINAL FALLOUTS, WHICH BETHESDA LICENSED FROM THEM.
MIGHT I ADD BETHESDA'S GAME ALSO SUCKS A LOT.
Fucking hell. That's like me buying an apple from a grocer, and then suing him for seeling apples because I want to be the only one with an apple.
THEY WERE BEHIND THE ORIGINAL FALLOUTS, WHICH BETHESDA LICENSED FROM THEM.
MIGHT I ADD BETHESDA'S GAME ALSO SUCKS A LOT.
Fucking hell. That's like me buying an apple from a grocer, and then suing him for seeling apples because I want to be the only one with an apple.
Bullshit. Fucking bullshit.
If Bethesda was confident in their product they wouldn't be doing this. I mean, I had a lot of fun with Fallout 3, and I'm obviously not the only one, but I think Bethesda is well aware of the fact that voice acting and prettier graphics doesn't change the fact that the first two Fallout games are infinitely better than Fallout 3.
I've never before felt the need to boycott any game publisher, and in fact reading the words "gamers" and "boycott" in the same sentence has always struck me as a little bit melodramatic, but this is just so greedy and evil on Bethesda's part, especially considering the ungodly amounts of money they're making with Fallout 3 and its mediocre DLC, that I may end up finding myself on the melodramatic side of this argument.
If Bethesda was confident in their product they wouldn't be doing this. I mean, I had a lot of fun with Fallout 3, and I'm obviously not the only one, but I think Bethesda is well aware of the fact that voice acting and prettier graphics doesn't change the fact that the first two Fallout games are infinitely better than Fallout 3.
I've never before felt the need to boycott any game publisher, and in fact reading the words "gamers" and "boycott" in the same sentence has always struck me as a little bit melodramatic, but this is just so greedy and evil on Bethesda's part, especially considering the ungodly amounts of money they're making with Fallout 3 and its mediocre DLC, that I may end up finding myself on the melodramatic side of this argument.
I'm pretty much 100% with King Kong Five on this one, especially on the melodramatic part. I know business is business, but bullshit is universal.
Egad, I don't want to think about what must be happening over at NMA right now. They must be swimming in bile and vitriol.
@Bluemeep: Jesus Christ I forgot about NMA. We could do a whole Fanboy Friday over that.
Let's do a whole Fanboy Friday over that.
Let's do a whole Fanboy Friday over that.
I'm suddenly so very glad I bought Fallout 3 used and didnt personally contribute money to Bethesda.
Hopefully the Fallout MMO will be cancelled and the unreleased Earthworm Jim game will be back in production and Interplay will then make lots of money.
Fuck you Bethesda. You're the ones who should be getting sued for fucking up Fallout 3 so bad. And I'm not saying that completely out of anger either. It didn't fucking work. Your patches broke it more, and I really think a class action suit would have been warranted by the people who purchased the game. Thank god I stole it so I didn't have to pay $50 to find out it was a broken piece of garbage.
Bethesda's just butt hurt that they can't make a decent Fallout game. Actually, their games in general have been downhill since Daggerfall. After Oblivion (which lived up to its name) and the destruction of the Fallout series, I've lost interest in Bethesda.
They can sue Interplay all they want, though. Interplay laid off Black Isle Studios (aka one of the greatest developer of all time, now Obsidian Entertainment) so I'm not exactly on good terms with them either.
They can sue Interplay all they want, though. Interplay laid off Black Isle Studios (aka one of the greatest developer of all time, now Obsidian Entertainment) so I'm not exactly on good terms with them either.
Anyone who hasn't played the older games in the series yet might as well buy them now while they're being sold dirt cheap. Always a chance this might end up in an ownership limbo, with e.g. Bethesda owning the content and Interplay owning the code, and neither being able to re-release the games. It's not that rare, actually.
Confusion? It states quite clearly on Steam, GOG.com etc. who the publisher/developer is for each game. That's all just bullshit
Sounds like Bethesda are trying to put a barely there publisher out of business to claim back the MMO rights. The stuff about distributing the game just seems petty and vindictive. I mean, it says that Interplay had the right to sell the original games anyway, but didn't ask Bethesda first?
Sounds like Bethesda are trying to put a barely there publisher out of business to claim back the MMO rights. The stuff about distributing the game just seems petty and vindictive. I mean, it says that Interplay had the right to sell the original games anyway, but didn't ask Bethesda first?
You people are woefully deluded if you think Bethesda is the bad guy in this situation.
They bought the Fallout IP. Fallout is theirs and theirs alone. They paid over 5 millions dollars for it.
If you bought a loaf of bread from a guy for 5 millions dollars and he broke into your house at night, stole half the slices and then tried to sell them off to someone else you'd probably seek legal action aswell.
Interplay isn't some poor defenceless independant developer. They're a long established developer/publisher who destroyed their business through bad choices and sat on the Fallout IP for 10 years.
Grow the fuck up.
They bought the Fallout IP. Fallout is theirs and theirs alone. They paid over 5 millions dollars for it.
If you bought a loaf of bread from a guy for 5 millions dollars and he broke into your house at night, stole half the slices and then tried to sell them off to someone else you'd probably seek legal action aswell.
Interplay isn't some poor defenceless independant developer. They're a long established developer/publisher who destroyed their business through bad choices and sat on the Fallout IP for 10 years.
Grow the fuck up.
I still dont see how people think that because Interplay is making it, that its going to be the answer to their Purist Fallout Dreams.
Masthead is working with them, and they weren't part of the original Fallout team were they? Sure Interplay has a couple of Original Devs...but not that many.
Alot of them are at Obsidian now, and Brian Fargo has his own company now and is working on a Wasteland property supposedly.
Oh and the whole selling of the Original Games. I bought one of the packs with Fallout 1 2 and Tactics...and on the box it actually says "Fallout 1 2 and 3" So yeah, I can see why Beth might be shitty about that.
Masthead is working with them, and they weren't part of the original Fallout team were they? Sure Interplay has a couple of Original Devs...but not that many.
Alot of them are at Obsidian now, and Brian Fargo has his own company now and is working on a Wasteland property supposedly.
Oh and the whole selling of the Original Games. I bought one of the packs with Fallout 1 2 and Tactics...and on the box it actually says "Fallout 1 2 and 3" So yeah, I can see why Beth might be shitty about that.
I thought that the fallout mmo will be called vault 13 or something like that. Huh, need to check the wiki I guess.
@Monster w21 Faces your analogy is fucked up.
Its as if a man made 3 loaves of bread. HE sold the recipe to somebody and then after the new guy made some good bread and sold it to more people over a larger area, the original man tried to sell his bread again, and the new guy tried to fuck him in the ass, because he bought the recipe.
Its as if a man made 3 loaves of bread. HE sold the recipe to somebody and then after the new guy made some good bread and sold it to more people over a larger area, the original man tried to sell his bread again, and the new guy tried to fuck him in the ass, because he bought the recipe.
Damn, I was really hoping for a turn based strategy rpg Fallout game. Why are you doing this Bethseda?
Interplay released a compilation game called Fallout Trilogy. Bethesda released a game called Fallout 3. Would the average person assume that Fallout 3 be in a compilation called Fallout Trilogy?
Why buy the rights to a game when you are worried about people becoming confused with the franchisee, how about coming up with your own ideas instead of being too lazy and uncreative to craft your own universe.
Yeah I know they are a company and they're in the business to make money, and what they're claiming is legally correct, but for fuck sake at least have some integrity.
I guess the good/evil balance had to be restored sometime -
Valve fly some boycotters to HQ so they can try out an unreleased game, meanwhile Bethesda touches a child and steals money from the collection plate at church.
Yeah I know they are a company and they're in the business to make money, and what they're claiming is legally correct, but for fuck sake at least have some integrity.
I guess the good/evil balance had to be restored sometime -
Valve fly some boycotters to HQ so they can try out an unreleased game, meanwhile Bethesda touches a child and steals money from the collection plate at church.
@GoW: One would hope you'd read what games are included before buying it. Then again..I suppose the average person who buys Bethesda games IS an idiot..
What people fail to realize is Interplay did FUCK ALL. Read carefully INTERPLAY IS/WAS A PUBLISHER, NOT A DEVELOPER!
What you people FAIL to realize(mostly because your search engines buttons are broken)is that OBSIDIAN is made up of ALOT of BLACK ISLE(ie the DEVELOPER who MADE FALLOUT 1 AND 2)staff. And BETHESDA gave them the rights to make Fallout: Las Vegas. Interplay, your sacred whore publisher, CANCELLED FALLOUT 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or what would have been Fallout 3. If any of you actually were fans of the first two games, this wouldn't be news to you.
yeah, sort of lame on Bethesda side. Just because you have the right to sue some one does not mean you should.
What Monster w21 Faces, clonetrooper and countingdown7 said.
Interplay are as big if not bigger dicks than Bethesda these days.
Interplay are as big if not bigger dicks than Bethesda these days.
@Monster w21 Faces
@Ganjookie
I responded to both of your analogies in a quick C-blog I just wrote.
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/king+kong+five/why-it-actually-makes-sense-to-be-angry-over-bethesda-s-lawsuit--148374.phtml#story
@Ganjookie
I responded to both of your analogies in a quick C-blog I just wrote.
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/king+kong+five/why-it-actually-makes-sense-to-be-angry-over-bethesda-s-lawsuit--148374.phtml#story
@Midgetsnowman:
Yes, because everyone knows the Elder Scrolls games are worthless and never did anything right and in fact are completely rubbish.
What Interplay is doing is pretty shady, especially considering they sold the rights to Bethesda. This lawsuit is actually justified.
Yes, because everyone knows the Elder Scrolls games are worthless and never did anything right and in fact are completely rubbish.
What Interplay is doing is pretty shady, especially considering they sold the rights to Bethesda. This lawsuit is actually justified.
Bethesda owns the rights to fallout. Interplay was under a specific agreement with Bethesda to make the mmo, and if failed to come up with the minimum budget (20 million or something) then the rights come back to bethesda, case closed.
It's a shame, but Bethesda has the right to do it. Interplay sold them fallout which had allowed them to get back on their feet in the first place. I would say it is Interplay who is making the shady plays here.
It's a shame, but Bethesda has the right to do it. Interplay sold them fallout which had allowed them to get back on their feet in the first place. I would say it is Interplay who is making the shady plays here.
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