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I like their verve and "protesting" like this is a right they have. But maybe I'm being pessemestic here but I don't see this changing anything. Online protests and the like usually never accomplish anything accept making you look like a tool.
Sorry, but it doesn't seem to me to be a weak reason to complain or a non-issue that Valve failed to provide the support they announced because they went straight to working on a sequel after all their talk about having big plans for L4D.
People are (rightly) pissed with the handling of Left 4 Dead's release, not Left 4 Dead 2 in itself. There are so many things that Valve should have done by now and people find that they haven't got:
a proper SDK release
a way to integrate custom campaigns
much needed improved lobby functionality
better matchmaking
The content that was stated to be coming
and so on
because Valve have been working on a sequel.
But I guess this isn't anything worth calling a developer out on? You do remember all the stuff they said in the build up to release, right?
People are (rightly) pissed with the handling of Left 4 Dead's release, not Left 4 Dead 2 in itself. There are so many things that Valve should have done by now and people find that they haven't got:
a proper SDK release
a way to integrate custom campaigns
much needed improved lobby functionality
better matchmaking
The content that was stated to be coming
and so on
because Valve have been working on a sequel.
But I guess this isn't anything worth calling a developer out on? You do remember all the stuff they said in the build up to release, right?
I can't wait till the game comes out and all these fuckers who whine are playing the game and loving it.
Chill the fuck out.
Chill the fuck out.
I agree with some of that stuff especially the character designs but its not gonna do anything, its just beating your chest and hoping someone listens.
I mean 13,000 out of how many sales that L4D had? 2, 3 million?
I mean 13,000 out of how many sales that L4D had? 2, 3 million?
And another thing, are we gonna see another post tomorrow about the L4D2 protestors? I do look forward to seeing how you can write the same thing worded in 3 different ways!!
Wait, wait, people are just NOW figuring out how Valve works? Really...hell that shocks me more than anything.
I was a little annoyed L4D had a sequel announced so early and that there isn't more downloadable content, but I have definitely received my money's worth with L4D. L4D is a great game and they probably could have milked our wallets dry with DLC. L4D2 will have more stuff and it seems they plan on retooling a lot of things to make the game a lot better. With all the changes it doesn't just seem like an expansion to me, it really does sound like a new game. I'm definitely looking forward to L4D2 and will buy it as soon as I possibly can after it's release.
On another note there are plenty of things to be angry about in our world and in the gaming community, a sequel to a great game with a significant amount content added is not one of them.
On another note there are plenty of things to be angry about in our world and in the gaming community, a sequel to a great game with a significant amount content added is not one of them.
My favorite complaint out of that list is "The new characters seem bland and unappealing", and I have to agree with most goons when I say that sounds like "I don't want to play as black people from the south".
Valve are still releasing more stuff for L4D from now until L4D2's release and after, and are planning on including L4D's campaigns in L4D2 so the communities won't be decimated in any way that matter, you can just play the sequel and still play the good old levels you liked, so I have absolutely 0 complaints about L4D2. Bring on the bayou.
Valve are still releasing more stuff for L4D from now until L4D2's release and after, and are planning on including L4D's campaigns in L4D2 so the communities won't be decimated in any way that matter, you can just play the sequel and still play the good old levels you liked, so I have absolutely 0 complaints about L4D2. Bring on the bayou.
This is the correct manifesto:
http://l4d2boycott.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=announce&action=display&thread=98
For someone that hates trolls, you're quite a troll yourself Jim.
http://l4d2boycott.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=announce&action=display&thread=98
For someone that hates trolls, you're quite a troll yourself Jim.
I did read somewhere that the was going to be some compatibility between no 1 and 2, coupled with seeing a couple of the original achievements unlocked in some l4d2 gameplay videos put me in mind of the company of heroes games and how they connect together.
Left 4 Dead sold over 1.8 million copies EXCLUDING on Steam. Do the protesters honestly think Valve cares about 15K of those claiming not to buy it (I'm sure a lot of those will change their tune once everyone else is playing it and, oh you know, having fun with the game instead of treating it like a fucking piece of art).
@Kamikaze Tutor
I am totally not going through all of that and invalidating every point they make. I already did that once with the list that the group Jim found did. x_X
I am totally not going through all of that and invalidating every point they make. I already did that once with the list that the group Jim found did. x_X
So instead of selling 2 million they'll sell 1987000. And those reasons are pretty fucking stupid, none of them hold water, except maybe the first one. Maybe. I would break them all down but JonB already did that so I add will merely, fuck them.
Not everyone that signed in on the boycott agree with those points. Those are just the points of the creator of the group.
I signed because it's going to demolish the player base splitting it between the two games and it means no more content support for L4D1. I wasn't expecting free content, but the option of paid content was implied in many interviews from Valve. Content that is no longer coming.
So, I signed just to say I'm no longer supporting your L4D product.
I signed because it's going to demolish the player base splitting it between the two games and it means no more content support for L4D1. I wasn't expecting free content, but the option of paid content was implied in many interviews from Valve. Content that is no longer coming.
So, I signed just to say I'm no longer supporting your L4D product.
I joined the group just to try and reason with the people, and all they cared about was their post count, and trying to compare the "value" of the game compared to TF2. OIMFGBBQ its going to be 50 bucks *sacrifices lamb to Valve gods* nooo plleeaasseee.........
Get a life, people.
Get a life, people.
Guys, never mind this. You're missing the fact that there is a NEW HANNAH MONTANA PSP bundle coming out. Seriously. You know, life is all about priorities.
Cool, that means there will be more than 13,000 people playing L4D when L4D2 comes out. Looks like I won't have to buy the sequel right away, then.
@Jim:
"The only complaint that holds water is the first one, and we still don't know how much further support Valve is giving L4D anyway."
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23911
"Leonard declined to commit to there being more Valve-created content for the game, instead pointing out some upcoming functionality tweaks and the potential in user-created levels for the PC version. "We are doing updates across the summer, adding new matchmaking features, and new features to facilitate user maps after the SDK is out," he said. "Certainly, user maps will be part of the ongoing Left 4 Dead 1 experience.""
This is to show how much of a troll you are, how you close your eyes and barely ever research, just so you can go against the masses' opinion and generate traffic for dtoid with your flamebait. The way you write has been getting old and tiresome. If you're an intelligent person, try and show that. Because lately, it only looks like you're raging and complaining.
"The only complaint that holds water is the first one, and we still don't know how much further support Valve is giving L4D anyway."
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23911
"Leonard declined to commit to there being more Valve-created content for the game, instead pointing out some upcoming functionality tweaks and the potential in user-created levels for the PC version. "We are doing updates across the summer, adding new matchmaking features, and new features to facilitate user maps after the SDK is out," he said. "Certainly, user maps will be part of the ongoing Left 4 Dead 1 experience.""
This is to show how much of a troll you are, how you close your eyes and barely ever research, just so you can go against the masses' opinion and generate traffic for dtoid with your flamebait. The way you write has been getting old and tiresome. If you're an intelligent person, try and show that. Because lately, it only looks like you're raging and complaining.
Although I think it is stupid to have a petition to cancel the game, I find myself agreeing with most of the points (except for the lighting, WTF). The biggest is development time. With Valve even giving there "episodic" content years between sequels, it seems odd for them to immediately rush a sequel to a new IP. It seems like this is something that they meant to have in the original, or as DLC. If that's not the case then I would consider the quality of the new L4D to be suspect when you consider development on all of Valves other projects.
All I'm saying is that Valve cut the price in half noticed a 3000% price jump correct. More sales then when the game was actually released correct. So this seems like a step backwards to me. I don't really give a shit either way, I bought LFD and don't really play it, BUT if the numbers are what Valve goes by then they should notice that according to steampowered's own game stats that 20,696 are playing L4D right now. So that means to some degree almost 55% (discounting ppl like me who joined just to get the word) customers who feel fucked.
@Guttlesswonder: Petition to cancel the game? Where?
@Jon B: You should at least read it because that shit Jim posted isn't correct anymore. The problem is that the group's mod is nowhere to be found to change that manifesto to the correct one.
I don't care if it's a sequel or an expansion pack, I refuse to buy L4D2 full price. The game barely has innovations to the previous one which still has many problems. I like Valve's games and I would support them if L4D2 was sold for the price of an expansion pack.
@Jon B: You should at least read it because that shit Jim posted isn't correct anymore. The problem is that the group's mod is nowhere to be found to change that manifesto to the correct one.
I don't care if it's a sequel or an expansion pack, I refuse to buy L4D2 full price. The game barely has innovations to the previous one which still has many problems. I like Valve's games and I would support them if L4D2 was sold for the price of an expansion pack.
thankfully i am in this group and i believe in consumer interest to be upheld. this faggot can write all this microsoft cock sucking spews he can, the amount of people will only grow.
i hope they kick this jim wanker from the blog since he is giving destructoid a bad name among the gaming community. seriously, your vocabulary and your "journalism" are laughable. you spend the entire article and spewing incorrect facts and teasing the l4d community as if it actually had intelligence.
just piss off wanker, well have 20,000 people tomorrow boycotting this and youy can suck microsofts cock all u want.
to join the group, head over to this url: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott
i hope they kick this jim wanker from the blog since he is giving destructoid a bad name among the gaming community. seriously, your vocabulary and your "journalism" are laughable. you spend the entire article and spewing incorrect facts and teasing the l4d community as if it actually had intelligence.
just piss off wanker, well have 20,000 people tomorrow boycotting this and youy can suck microsofts cock all u want.
to join the group, head over to this url: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott
i dont get you. u bothered to post an image of some shitty star trek spinoff and you didnt comment it. i guess the truth is a facepalm to the ignorant
Leave 'em alone, guys. And I agree with tgammet, Louis is superior to all possible L4D characters. GRABBIN PEEHLS
Name a classic zombie movie that didn't BRILLIANTLY showcase zombies in the day time.
I dare anyone.
I dare anyone.
God I love me a good uproar.
$10 = 3-4 Maps in various games, (COD4, Halo 3, GoW)
Each stage in L4D2 consists of 4-5 maps making the entire "level".
5 stages = 20-25 new maps.
Don't forget the new game modes, weapons, and AI Director improvements.
All of that for 50-60 dollars?
Seems like a deal to me.
$10 = 3-4 Maps in various games, (COD4, Halo 3, GoW)
Each stage in L4D2 consists of 4-5 maps making the entire "level".
5 stages = 20-25 new maps.
Don't forget the new game modes, weapons, and AI Director improvements.
All of that for 50-60 dollars?
Seems like a deal to me.
dude, your nitpicking when you say the community is against playing in the dark. its just some random people saying things they wouldnt like to see. hell, if you listened to the commentary in the first l4d you would see how the developer said that the game would lose its characteristic if it were played in the daytime.
i never understand how you can make a counterargument to it. the developers said it in the original and they showed us how the nighttime enviornment gives it more mood
i never understand how you can make a counterargument to it. the developers said it in the original and they showed us how the nighttime enviornment gives it more mood
@Kamikaze I guess I meant boycott. It is just hard to scroll up and down, in other words I don't know where I got that from. I am on the same page for buying this @ DLC price.
@nukka jdav: None of which is compatible with the original game, and still splits the player base. Not comparable.
Wow Octpusgarden.
You're an idiot, and you suck Kirk's dick.
@KamikazeTutor:
"The few people here who defend the decision to make L4D2 seem to not understand what everyone is upset about. I've tried to summarize the most common issues I've heard people having in hopes that it clears things up..."
And the complaining comes after that.
What's on the Steam Group page IS NOT THEIR MANIFESTO. IT NEVER WAS. It's a summary of what everyone is getting their boxers shoved up their anus about. It's just a list of complaints. A summarized list of complaints.
You're an idiot, and you suck Kirk's dick.
@KamikazeTutor:
"The few people here who defend the decision to make L4D2 seem to not understand what everyone is upset about. I've tried to summarize the most common issues I've heard people having in hopes that it clears things up..."
And the complaining comes after that.
What's on the Steam Group page IS NOT THEIR MANIFESTO. IT NEVER WAS. It's a summary of what everyone is getting their boxers shoved up their anus about. It's just a list of complaints. A summarized list of complaints.
I see a new type of Valve defense here. It's the old "you haven't played it" tactic. Well that doesn't stop anyone from badmouthing/loving a game, does it? I mean I love the Persona games, but I don't have much time to play em. But from reading all these cool articles from the cBlogs, I know they're really deep and cool. So I like a game even though I didn't/barely played it.
And I dislike others that I didn't touch. Have you guys EATEN shit? Is it good, bad? "Not having played it" isn't a defense against anything.
Now, I appreciate how the community is finally taking a stand. And I appreciate Jim for calling everybody's attention it. Luckily more people will join that "army".
Perhaps the hard part to understand in this manifest is the whole "it's a sequel to a game they love, how can they complain?".
Well, did anyone really like Final Fantasy X-2? Or Deus Ex: Invisible War? Getting a sequel doesn't mean it's gonna be good. Knowing Valve though, L4D2 will probably play a lot like L4D. And it will feel like an expansion. When does an expansion turn into a sequel? Burnout Paradise should have had a bunch of sequels then, no? They would probably be on the 3rd Paradise or 4th Paradise.
Or about GTA4. Rockstar could have been assholes, witheld the DLC, pack some more crap and then do a GTA4-2 on us. Full price for some new stuff. But no, they realized the game deserves to be expanded. It's got room for it. With DLC, we can stop having to reinvent the wheel every year, and we can start expanding the worlds that have already been created.
Valve just decided to take a crap on all that.
And I dislike others that I didn't touch. Have you guys EATEN shit? Is it good, bad? "Not having played it" isn't a defense against anything.
Now, I appreciate how the community is finally taking a stand. And I appreciate Jim for calling everybody's attention it. Luckily more people will join that "army".
Perhaps the hard part to understand in this manifest is the whole "it's a sequel to a game they love, how can they complain?".
Well, did anyone really like Final Fantasy X-2? Or Deus Ex: Invisible War? Getting a sequel doesn't mean it's gonna be good. Knowing Valve though, L4D2 will probably play a lot like L4D. And it will feel like an expansion. When does an expansion turn into a sequel? Burnout Paradise should have had a bunch of sequels then, no? They would probably be on the 3rd Paradise or 4th Paradise.
Or about GTA4. Rockstar could have been assholes, witheld the DLC, pack some more crap and then do a GTA4-2 on us. Full price for some new stuff. But no, they realized the game deserves to be expanded. It's got room for it. With DLC, we can stop having to reinvent the wheel every year, and we can start expanding the worlds that have already been created.
Valve just decided to take a crap on all that.
right. you should coop articles with the jim guy. perfect execution of " no your wrong because i say you are". fuck facts, who needs facts when yyou can call someone an idiot for speaking out against a majority
http://l4d2boycott.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=announce&action=display&thread=98
This is the more correct list of general complaints, what Jim keeps posting is not it. I dont see how anyone can say the boycott doesn't have a legitimate argument for their side. I have no problem with them even making this sequel, but they should have made this clear from the beginning and not string people along with continued promises of new content through DLC.
This is the more correct list of general complaints, what Jim keeps posting is not it. I dont see how anyone can say the boycott doesn't have a legitimate argument for their side. I have no problem with them even making this sequel, but they should have made this clear from the beginning and not string people along with continued promises of new content through DLC.
@Octopusgarden: If you're going to make fun someone's "vocabulary", don't put "faggot", "wanker", and "cock" in the same post.
I feel that there isn't enough change in gameplay to warrant a full sequel to L4F. The tiny amount of new features in L4D2 could have easily been atlease a paid DLC, and the first one could always use more maps and campaign missions too.
I like how the sequel looks and I want to play it. That being said I bought the first Left 4 Dead for the 360 when it came out. I love the game but I am a little upset that the game is only 6 months old and already a new game is coming out. I still want the game but I would feel better paying $30 versus the entire $60 esp. since the first game was only 4 hours long campaign.
@Daxelman. face it. people are easily manipulated, as you see in the first few posts here the strong resentment of improving the concept of l4d2. and since you are referring to the first post, which shows signs of hope of prevailment from the dreaded concept of improvement you people pose with modern and evocation imaginary. its purpose to to mock you guys for believing the lies spit onto you. this guy didnt link you to the group manifesto at all which shows that we want to work the developer. try to be more constructive on your next argument as you are not going anything fundamentals i uphold, but rather you try to break apart my character and try to tie it to this community defined action.
@ octopusgarden:
Keep going buddy. First, not understanding how you deserved the double facepalm is hilarious, and sad at the same time. By the say it wasn't a shitty spinoff, it was a continuation after the first series, which takes place in the future. ANYWAYS.
L4d 1 would lose character in the daytime. sure, because ALL of the maps are in the dark, and putting one in the daylight would have required the artists and level designers to further tweak textures, HDR settings, actual level design, etc for daytime environments, and was decided to be cut. So you crucify them for it?
All in all, if they released this as DLC, I can guarantee with the difference in art direction, engine tweaks, melee weapons, etc, it would not be successful and people would Cry about why they didnt release it as a separate game.
People are RARELY happy. And you're right... trying to be Mr. Fox News and take the facts, bend them into your own shape, and use them in your own purpose without seeing the whole picture is wrong isnt it? And you can't possibly be doing that yourself, huh? Of course not.
Me love me some nerd rage on here, gunna go enjoy my sunday.
Keep going buddy. First, not understanding how you deserved the double facepalm is hilarious, and sad at the same time. By the say it wasn't a shitty spinoff, it was a continuation after the first series, which takes place in the future. ANYWAYS.
L4d 1 would lose character in the daytime. sure, because ALL of the maps are in the dark, and putting one in the daylight would have required the artists and level designers to further tweak textures, HDR settings, actual level design, etc for daytime environments, and was decided to be cut. So you crucify them for it?
All in all, if they released this as DLC, I can guarantee with the difference in art direction, engine tweaks, melee weapons, etc, it would not be successful and people would Cry about why they didnt release it as a separate game.
People are RARELY happy. And you're right... trying to be Mr. Fox News and take the facts, bend them into your own shape, and use them in your own purpose without seeing the whole picture is wrong isnt it? And you can't possibly be doing that yourself, huh? Of course not.
Me love me some nerd rage on here, gunna go enjoy my sunday.
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