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we've been able to play cold stream for months on PC. how long does it possibly take to beta test a single level.
Looking forward to it, even if I have to pay. Yep, I said it. I am actually happy to pay for downloadable content from VALVe. Feel free to burn me to death or crucify me or whatever.
Hey, and it IS coming out after the Portal DLC just like they said! Right on time.
It's a bit anti-climatic at this point since all of the people I played L4D2 on 360 with have died of old age...
It's a bit anti-climatic at this point since all of the people I played L4D2 on 360 with have died of old age...
G-man: The Cold Stream beta has been open on PC since March of LAST YEAR. That's more than a few months.
To be fair, it's changed a lot since then. They didn't say beta for nothing.
To be fair, it's changed a lot since then. They didn't say beta for nothing.
They should find a way so people can register their copies of the first L4D and get the DLC for free since the pack is basically the first game...
It was garbage then and its still crap, no idea why Valve picked this terrible campaign among the tons of so much better fan campaigns out there.
Oh, Valve also stated that all Mutations will be playable at any time. You just select one and search it.
I know I'm way late to the party on this, but I've been thinking about picking this up (the retail game, not necessarily the DLC) on 360. How's the online 360 community for L4D2?
I remember Death Aboard being way better than Cold Stream. Cold Stream was poorly balanced, the survivors were basically screwed unless the Infected team was incompetant. Then again, I haven't played it or L4D2 for about a year.
Still wish L4D2 had been an expansion for the original game. It split the community and things kind of fell apart for me. That and frankly L4D1 was better.
Still wish L4D2 had been an expansion for the original game. It split the community and things kind of fell apart for me. That and frankly L4D1 was better.
@Jinx
Agreed, it is an old argument now, but the move to release L4D2 so soon did kill off L4D. I often wonder how much larger of a community they could of had by keeping it all under the same game.
Whattyado?
Agreed, it is an old argument now, but the move to release L4D2 so soon did kill off L4D. I often wonder how much larger of a community they could of had by keeping it all under the same game.
Whattyado?
@Joe
I assume that's the reason they decided to make the maps for L4D2, try and combine the communities together, especially since it's all free on the PC. Hopefully, if this is reasonably priced, and they promote it, they could get a second surge of sales and grow the community.
I assume that's the reason they decided to make the maps for L4D2, try and combine the communities together, especially since it's all free on the PC. Hopefully, if this is reasonably priced, and they promote it, they could get a second surge of sales and grow the community.
I got so sick and tired of beta testing that crap that I moved onto other games. Can't believe they haven't released it yet.
Good luck with that, 360 guys. Cold Stream was pretty busted on a fundamental level (not just as a beta) and I can't imagine that's changed much unless they've rebuilt everything from scratch.
Some of the revisions to the old maps are cool though, so there's that at least.
Some of the revisions to the old maps are cool though, so there's that at least.
valve make good games but at such a slow rate its almost shameful they really should be more efficient for such a big name.
the dlc support has sucked too. why not make a map /content editor for l4d for consoles, too? Other console games have had similar tools.
the dlc support has sucked too. why not make a map /content editor for l4d for consoles, too? Other console games have had similar tools.
Yeah, in the time I've been waiting, I've acquired a PC and played the hell out of the beta. So as much as I love L4D, it better damn well be free on xbox!
Two full Left 4 Dead games and 6 DLC packs/campaigns on top of months of updates and support, AND NOT A SINGLE FUCKING HALF LIFE GAME IN 5 YEARS.
Fuck you, Valve.
Fuck you, Valve.
@Fwankie If you communicate well, you'll find other people that do so too. There's always the occasional ”Don't tell me what to do!” asshole who then proceeds to get himself killed and leave your team a man down.
AND IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME THIS DLC RELEASED! It should be free after this long.
AND IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME THIS DLC RELEASED! It should be free after this long.
@Camel
Do you still not know its Microsoft charging you and not Valve? Honestly, how many times does everyone have to reiterate this?
Do you still not know its Microsoft charging you and not Valve? Honestly, how many times does everyone have to reiterate this?
Sounds good to me, L4D is easily one the best new frachises to hit gaming in the last five years.
Honestly, I did prefer the original so this will likely get me into L4D2 even moreso!
Honestly, I did prefer the original so this will likely get me into L4D2 even moreso!
Oh good. It's only one of the most poorly made campaigns I've played. I suppose it could be worse though. Valve could have picked Two Evil Eyes.
notice how everyone's favorite campaign is different?
yep, that's why shouting: "why didn't they pick X" is absolutely retarded.
congrats
yep, that's why shouting: "why didn't they pick X" is absolutely retarded.
congrats
Wow this just coming to Xbox. I haven't touched L4D2 is like 6 months and we had all L4D1 camps for awhile by that time.
PS unless a lot changed, Cold Stream kinda sucks really hard.
PS unless a lot changed, Cold Stream kinda sucks really hard.
holy crap, I figured Valve was finished with Left 4 Dead, this is awesome news
although it is a bit of a shame that it's a "user mod turned official campaign" instead of an all new one by Valve themselves
although it is a bit of a shame that it's a "user mod turned official campaign" instead of an all new one by Valve themselves
@jinx honestly, the harder it is for the survivors the better. The games should be about who makes it the farthest before dying. L4D as a whole is farrrrrrr too survivor friendly with the healthpacks, ammo, team damage, ect for Versus mode. I actually used to run a mod on the server I ran that tweaked the game to basically be around hard mode stats.
Versus mode runs everything on "normal" difficulty settings. So yeah, consider how easy it is to complete a campaign on normal mode, then just make the special infected smarter but not stronger. That is versus. The only way infected EVER win is either luck, a 1hit kill manuever (e.g. charging someone off of a cliff), or a tank spawns. Around 95% of the games I played ended up only being decided by the finale, with every other section of the game being everyone surviving.
The mod I ran was challenging without being unfair imo.
There was only the starting room health packs (though you could find pills/adrenaline. Damage was increased slightly for team damage (in normal versus you only deal 5% damage to teammates), fire damage was increased for survivors from 1damage per second to 3per second (it made running through fire or throwing a molotov at your feet a bad idea) common infected had their damage increased from 2damage per swing to 5damage per swing. (Though in both cases the infected still do half damage if they hit you from behind.) and special infected all got a small damage boost.
Overall what it did was make survivors have to play more cautiously (avoid shooting your teammate or throwing bad molotovs.) it made a well coordinated attack from special infected scarier (since even if you survive you'd take a lot of damage instead of just a little bit and then heal up.) and it meant that common infected were useful as more than just something to slow down the survivors (especially made boomers more useful.)
O yeah, and I made it so that Survivors move slower in water (in Co-Op on Hard Rain if you walk in the water once it gets flooded you move at half speed. That is why they have the rooftop paths and things like cars in the street to encourage you to stay out of the water. For some stupid reason, in versus mode though water doesn't slow you down at all meaning that the hard rain return trip is a breeze.)
Versus mode runs everything on "normal" difficulty settings. So yeah, consider how easy it is to complete a campaign on normal mode, then just make the special infected smarter but not stronger. That is versus. The only way infected EVER win is either luck, a 1hit kill manuever (e.g. charging someone off of a cliff), or a tank spawns. Around 95% of the games I played ended up only being decided by the finale, with every other section of the game being everyone surviving.
The mod I ran was challenging without being unfair imo.
There was only the starting room health packs (though you could find pills/adrenaline. Damage was increased slightly for team damage (in normal versus you only deal 5% damage to teammates), fire damage was increased for survivors from 1damage per second to 3per second (it made running through fire or throwing a molotov at your feet a bad idea) common infected had their damage increased from 2damage per swing to 5damage per swing. (Though in both cases the infected still do half damage if they hit you from behind.) and special infected all got a small damage boost.
Overall what it did was make survivors have to play more cautiously (avoid shooting your teammate or throwing bad molotovs.) it made a well coordinated attack from special infected scarier (since even if you survive you'd take a lot of damage instead of just a little bit and then heal up.) and it meant that common infected were useful as more than just something to slow down the survivors (especially made boomers more useful.)
O yeah, and I made it so that Survivors move slower in water (in Co-Op on Hard Rain if you walk in the water once it gets flooded you move at half speed. That is why they have the rooftop paths and things like cars in the street to encourage you to stay out of the water. For some stupid reason, in versus mode though water doesn't slow you down at all meaning that the hard rain return trip is a breeze.)
Blood Harvest.
Blood Harvest.
There were stories...where boys were turned into men thanks to that damned forest. God, ima get my L4D groove back. So fucking hype.
Also, calling a PS3 port of L4D2 w/ all the DLC.
Alsoalso, Cold Stream is a shitty mod.
Blood Harvest.
There were stories...where boys were turned into men thanks to that damned forest. God, ima get my L4D groove back. So fucking hype.
Also, calling a PS3 port of L4D2 w/ all the DLC.
Alsoalso, Cold Stream is a shitty mod.
So are Valve giving this modder guy a job or are they going to release everything fan-made as official? I don't get it.
@Nicholas Patrick
He made a few different maps before this one that got really good reviews and everyone liked. So Valve asked him if he wanted to make a official DLC campaign. This map was built from the ground up for this DLC. No idea if he's getting paid, but I wouldn't doubt it.
Sadly back in the beta it was pretty poorly made and the levels not so great. Now like I said before, I haven't played L4D2 for about 6 months so a lot might have changed.
He made a few different maps before this one that got really good reviews and everyone liked. So Valve asked him if he wanted to make a official DLC campaign. This map was built from the ground up for this DLC. No idea if he's getting paid, but I wouldn't doubt it.
Sadly back in the beta it was pretty poorly made and the levels not so great. Now like I said before, I haven't played L4D2 for about 6 months so a lot might have changed.
@Eternal:
It's one thing for it to be difficult in general. The problem is that there are way too many "crossover" points- spots where you can't go back, so the Infected can easily separate and kill the Survivors. It's a cheap way to tip the scales in favor of the Infected.
Frankly I didn't think L4D2 was as good as the original. "Technically" it was better, but in the long run having more types of special infected just muddled up the strategy aspect; it was hard to predict what specials your team would have, so it was hard to plan out ambushes.
As for all this being free or not on console, remember that it's MS/Sony that determine that. Developers usually have to PAY to even patch their games, much less release free stuff. If you want lots of free DLC and mods you picked the wrong platform.
It's one thing for it to be difficult in general. The problem is that there are way too many "crossover" points- spots where you can't go back, so the Infected can easily separate and kill the Survivors. It's a cheap way to tip the scales in favor of the Infected.
Frankly I didn't think L4D2 was as good as the original. "Technically" it was better, but in the long run having more types of special infected just muddled up the strategy aspect; it was hard to predict what specials your team would have, so it was hard to plan out ambushes.
As for all this being free or not on console, remember that it's MS/Sony that determine that. Developers usually have to PAY to even patch their games, much less release free stuff. If you want lots of free DLC and mods you picked the wrong platform.
@Spy, I'm aware it's MS policies that are the reason it won't be free, but there has been plenty of free DLC before, especially lately. They could work something out. Please take your high and mighty attitude to the JimBoxxx corner with the other twelve year olds.
@Camel
I don't think some of those words you used mean what you think they mean.
@Nicholas
Actually Valve has been the one doing the work from what I heard, the guy originally laid out the first beta and such but got picked up by a company a few updates in, so Valve took over and pretty much has been doing the legwork since.
And not to mention, there would probably be some fan outrage if this guy had been picked up by Valve over the other talent that has a much MUCH larger backing (Suicide Blitz, Haunted Forest, I Hate Mountains, etc etc).
I don't think some of those words you used mean what you think they mean.
@Nicholas
Actually Valve has been the one doing the work from what I heard, the guy originally laid out the first beta and such but got picked up by a company a few updates in, so Valve took over and pretty much has been doing the legwork since.
And not to mention, there would probably be some fan outrage if this guy had been picked up by Valve over the other talent that has a much MUCH larger backing (Suicide Blitz, Haunted Forest, I Hate Mountains, etc etc).
I played Cold Stream yesterday and despite it being linear, the first time through I found that it wasn't clear where you were supposed to go and I got stuck a couple times. Also like the other DLC campaigns... it's nothing special. I had more fun going through the original 4 L4D1 campaigns and seeing what changes were made.
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