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Leaked Sega doc discusses PS2 & Dreamcast on PS3 photo

If this is true, then somebody has slipped up big time. A planning document has appeared on Sega's PR site that, for all intents and purposes, confirms the existence of PlayStation 2/PlayStation 3 backwards compatability. The document says, clear as day, that Sony has plans to sell PS2 games via the PSN. If Sony's planning that, the PS3's going to need some emulation capabilities for all units.

Here's what the document says:

PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)

  • SCEA wants to sell all PS2 titles on PSN (GTA Vice City/Sonic/etc)
  • For co Marketing money show PS3 controller on TV ads – similar to EA Madden Spots, NCAA, etc…
This isn't all the document reveals, either. It contains a number of Sega inner workings, such as the revelation that the publisher feels "Mass Effect is more RPG" than Alpha Protocol, a Bayonetta action figure is being considered, and that Aliens vs. Predator could ship on a hybrid Blu-ray that contains the movies. There's also talk of Sony motion controller plans and PSN Dreamcast games! Hot stuff!

I have a feeling this doc is genuine, as I tried the download link and it certainly comes from Sega's own PR site. This means some huge things, and somebody's probably going to get into a lot of trouble.

Still, the document is full of all sorts of interesting and/or crazy items, so scour through it after the jump. You really want to check this out.

SCEA Meeting Aug 5th Notes
Aug 6 2009 – DRAFT FOR COMMENTS

Objectives of Meeting
Dyer agreed to regular quarterly meetings with SOA

Sony PS3
SCEA reiterated plans to sell 13 million PS3s this year
Big announcement back half of year they can’t talk about (potentially price cut of PS3 to reach hardware goals)
SCEA commented on indexing between PS3 and 360 SKUs, should be around 2:1 to garner most favorable treatment.

Motion Controller
Spring 2010 launch (March in JP)
No bundle/pricing details yet, should come Sept 1
Plan on selling 4-5MM units WW
SCEA agreed to provide a list of Sega IP that would work well with the motion controller, Virtua Tennis was an example
Motion Controller support allows easy way to differentiate PS3 SKU
Other differentiation opportunities include PSP/PS3 interoperability – think of features that would make users want to buy both PS3 and PSP SKUs.

Alpha Protocol
Michael Foster, product evaluator, said AP felt barely RPG. Initial level too challenging for players. “Mass Effect felt more RPG.”
Review notes sent to John Merlino a few weeks prior. After meeting Gerald mentioned AP is a high priority for his team.

Planet 51
Sell in of PS3 SKU – SCEA noted that other movie titles on PS3 had underperformed as well (inc. Transformers) this cycle.
Dyer suggests contacting Susan at Walmart and asking what she wants in the pack to sell this SKU (movie tix etc)
Other possibilities are Hybrid movie disc (BD 25 or 50 with Game and Movie on same disc).

Bayonetta
Collectors edition with Bayonetta Action Figure
Novo recommended launching PSN demo around Xmas based off a Jan 5th Ship date with 2-3 week run out to launch.
3-4 weeks is usually ideal demo timing with fresh content every week leading up to launch (trailers, insider video about PG heritage, video blogs).

Vancouver 2010
HOME, Olympic destination would garner a lot of positive attention from SCEA
Should be doing same with Bayonetta, Marvel etc. Easy to launch in all territories.
HOME merchandizing opportunities (clothes etc).

Sonic Racing
Open to DLC to differentiate PS3 SKU – not ratchet and clank but other characters
maybe characters from Rare or Fable universes

Yakuza
Could put Japanese games directly on PSN for download in a special Japanese Import section (pricing $9.99 to $39.99 for full game).
Might need to localize menus at least with subtitles.
SCEA interested in helping on MKTG side if they can have period of exclusivity.

AVP
Another great HOME candidate
AVP avatars
Hybrid BD disc with movie

Iron Man 2
Great candidate for HOME space – explore Tony Stark’s lab etc.
Should have one for Marvel in general.

PSU2
Could do bundle at GameStop with PSP 30-35K units on UMD, Go, or both.

Valkyria 1937
Could bundle with PSP as well.

Vanquish and Aliens: CM
Opportunity for PS3/PSP interoperability (see Eidos Batman, Army of Two, Assassin’s Creed for good examples).
If we offer that SCEA would be really interested in having us at their booth next E3.

Thor
SCEA would like a look at the code soon.

Sonic Anniversary
Could put out collectors edition with all old sonic games on one BD disc.
“Best of Sonic” for around $99.
SCEA would love PSN exclusive power ups/different game modes (like Castlevania’s flip it over/backwards)

PS2 emulator for PS3 (confidential)
SCEA wants to sell all PS2 titles on PSN (GTA Vice City/Sonic/etc)
For co Marketing money show PS3 controller on TV ads – similar to EA Madden Spots, NCAA, etc…

London Olympics
Perfect opportunity for Motion Controller integration.

DC Digital Titles
If we provide a list of DC titles SCEA will let us know which ones they’re interested in having exclusively.
If we give them a long period of exclusivity they’ll give us more marketing support.

PSP Titles
For SKU differentiation it’s best to offer features that are slightly different from PS3 version.
Titles that are coming up on PSP are Assassin’s Creed II, GTA China Wars, Resident Evil, Little Big Planet – all massive franchises.
SCEA has a specific PSP deck which they can send up with their hardware director for a chat.

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Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:02
Dan CiTi
OHHHHH SHIIIIIIII-!!!!!!!
Scion of Mogo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:05
Scion of Mogo
if true there goes the only real problem I have with the PS3
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:06
Chronic Logic
FUCK! Dreamcast games for the PS3? GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!

As for the Bayonneta toy. I totally saw that coming, srsly.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:06
Zippyduda
I just read this before opening Dtoid and if it's true I'm going to cream my pants.
XGC TheDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:06
XGC TheDude
This is some insider info! I want me some all of this
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:06
Magnalon
HAHAHHA - they HAD to throw in talking shit about Mass Effect.

Oh God the console wars, they've JUST begun! If Sony can pull off a successful wand technology, Natal fails, SEGA gets good again and sells out to Sony, and the PSN has Dreamcast games, Gee Gee Microsoft.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:10
Xzyliac
HOLY FLYING FUCK OF A GUN!!!!! THAT ENTIRE PR READ IS ORGASMIC!

I'm still not convinced that the PS3 will have BC since the read does only specify PSN downloads but regardless the whole thing was awesome.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:11
CelicaCrazed
FUCK YEAH DREAMCAST!!

Time to go get a beefier harddrive muhwahahaha!!!
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:11
Takeshi
Sonic Anniversary
Could put out collectors edition with all old sonic games on one BD disc.
“Best of Sonic” for around $99.

Gimme some trophies and I'll get it. For the 3rd time.
Ace Flibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:13
Ace Flibble
I'm down for a Bayonetta figure.

The rest, eh. I should be excited, my Dreamcast bricked it a long time ago and the whole backwards compatibility issue with the PS3 is almost the only thing that's stopping me from buying one so downloadable PS2 titles sounds great, but I'm not sure I'm too keen on the idea of paying out for a download of something that I've already got on disc, if the range of titles is even that extensive.

Interesting.
Steve Cebu's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:15
Steve Cebu
Why not Ratchet & Clank in Sonic racing? Sonic would get pwned.
The emulator is a cool thing and not unexpected. If Sony can do it through software they can make a small fortune selling the games and bypassing the used games market. From a marketing perspective it's brilliant, as it benefits Sony and any company that wants to sell older games all over again. I'd like to dee maybe all the older Ratchet & Clank titles bundled together into one package. That's an incentive to buy the games again on PSN. Gamestop is not going to like this, but they suck anyway.
Double J's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:15
Double J
If Dreamcast games end up on PS3, I will buy a PS3. So, there's that.
Super Drybones's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:15
Super Drybones
So in 6 months they'll announce Dreamcast games for the 360 and we'll get petitions?
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:15
Takeshi
@Xzyliac
B/W compatibility is dead and buried.
calpis's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:15
calpis
I kinda knew, from a friend that works at "S", that all PS3's were getting full PS2 software emulation. The dreamcast emulation is news to me tho.
Narynan's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:16
Narynan
Wow. But they would really need to amp up HDD space for those kinda games. And i cant really imangine dl'ing a 8gb ps2 game at 55k.
meijin3's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:17
meijin3
Freaking awesome! I haven't played MGS2 or 3 yet!
AdamskiOwenov's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:17
AdamskiOwenov
Nooooooo! Dreamcast on PS3? It's too awesome an idea! Now I'm gonna have to save up for one! DAMN IT!
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:22
Y0j1mb0
YES.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:24
Black Nexus
The ps3 now with more dreamcast. Alooooot of psn cards are in my future.
Czech Monster's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:24
Czech Monster
Seems like PS3 might actually get something good in its "vast" game library.
PySk's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:25
PySk
Typing Of The Dead playable a USB keyboard! Please!
PySk's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:28
PySk
*with (F#CK)
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:28
Jon B
Dreamcast games on PS3... that's an awesome idea...


Or at least it would be if I didn't already own a Dreamcast.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:29
Monodi
This is kind of... ironic... and uhh.. distrubing... but so, SO amazing too.
m_earendil's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:30
m_earendil
What worries me is that the conspiracy theories of the last 2 years are turning to be true. The removal of BC from newer PS3s just to sell us the same PS2 games we already have at double the price we get on brick and mortar stores. Even if it's at the same price, we don't get the manual and extra goodies we get from the retail copy, even if we get it used.

Things are starting to get better for Sony, but it's gonna be a backstab for the fans if suddenly you can have BC and all PS3s, but "strangely" it only works for downloaded games and not for actual PS2 disks.
Electro Lemon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:32
Electro Lemon
Sega. Sega, listen to me, okay? Are you listening?

If you put Jet Set Radio on the PS3, I will go to my local game store today and buy one.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:33
Xzyliac
@Takeshi
Which is my assumption buy Jim's article makes it sound like the emulator will allow it. Or I'm reading it wrong.

If we can get PS2 games via PSN but not via PS2 disc I wouldn't call that backwards compatibility.

Not trying to be a downer. Still epic morning news. Just the article mislead my emotions.
TheLegendaryMan's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:34
TheLegendaryMan
Wow i was all like DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN (SHOCK)
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:37
Monodi
Also Jim, your header lacks of toucan.
zombielifecoach's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:38
zombielifecoach
Gadzooks!
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:38
Xzyliac
*assumption but

Fuckin' touch screen.
ghoti's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:38
ghoti
I have my fingers crossed for a Skies of Arcadia re-release on PSN. Although since the memo also suggests "exclusivity" for the DC titles, is it possible they're in talks with MS for XBLA or Games On Demand releases as well?

(I've always thought Chu Chu Rocket would be brilliant for Xbox Live.)
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:39
Monodi
@Xzyliac

wait what
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:39
Takeshi
@Xzyliac
Ah. That's right. You made me think for a bit. Even the B/W compatible PS3's (not the first batch, the ones with the PS2 inside but the software based ones) don't emulate the games completely. There's still a graphics chip inside them. Which means if they can pull it off to put PS2 games in the store it might mean B/W Compatibility is coming back. That or they convert the games completely to make them pretty much like every other PSN title.
parsleyboots's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:41
parsleyboots
I really hope this is true. Even if it's all bollocks, there seems to be huge demand for PS2 software on PS3, and Sony would be stupid to ignore it. I guess they're just waiting for the PS2 market to die completely first.
shinryu108's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:41
shinryu108
somehow I think we all knew BC was coming to the PS3. The fact is that the PS2 is still quite profitable for Sony, so it's more a matter of when rather than if. However, I'm worried that they'll just force us to buy the games again in downloadable format rather than just make us play our old discs on PS3. Just a hunch.

DC games are a great idea. This could potentially be a big advantage for Sony, and could usher in more popularity for those titles (Shenmue III?)
ArcticFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:44
ArcticFox
This could be fucking RAD. I would not hesitate to buy Sonic Adventure, Power Stone (already on PSP...) and Dynamite Cop 2 (dont judge me) on PSN the day they are released.
lyfeforce's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:45
lyfeforce
I hope that's real. It'd be awesome to see Dreamcast games again, along with the BC.
artha14's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:47
artha14
The secondcomming of the dream!
tttt30's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:51
tttt30
@ m_earendil

totally agree. if they can get the emulator working for download titles they can get it working for disc games.

they can still sell a ton of download games by giving them a slight HD enhancement advantage over disc and even if they dont they will still sell(like with ps1 games)

if they make an emulator for ps2 network titles and not the disc it may give them back their bad image.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:54
Zippyduda
If they included online capabilities with Dreamcast and PS2 games, FUCK YEAH!
triumphofhearts's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:54
triumphofhearts
Maybe be true but it's written in baby-speak bullet point. Is everyone employed at any sort of height within companies an ass?
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:54
Daxelman
Dreamcast games, I'm down with.

I want the ability to play my Ps2 games on my PS3. I mean, buying them off PSN is nice, especially if my disks somehow stop working, but yeah, I wanna have the choice meng.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:56
BluDesign
Good news to hear, hopefully it will pan out to be true.

But there's no damn way I'm paying $99 for any amount of Sonic games. Not when Sega gave me the best 4 of them for $25 on UGC.

That's almost some sort of trick to get me to play the early-this-gen Sonic again.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:57
Zippyduda
I'm just refreshing this story to read the comments :]
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:57
Xzyliac
@monodi
What?
ejamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 08:08
ejamer
I don't know whether to give Sony the finger for removing backwards compatibility (after promising it) and now trickling out more expensive downloadable versions of the same games that we could buy used for less, or to be happy that true PS2 emulation is finally on the way. Why does "good news" from Sony always feel a bit like bending over?
lyfeforce's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 08:09
lyfeforce
I hope that's real. It'd be awesome to see Dreamcast games again, along with the BC.
Static Jak's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 08:12
Static Jak
Holy shit! That is all.
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