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Lag 4 Dead 2?

3:00 PM on 11.18.2009   |   Jim Sterling

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Left 4 Dead 2 released yesterday and, while its Versus Mode is terrific fun, you'd be hard pressed to find many people able to enjoy it. The game has been hit with massive lag on Xbox Live, despite two updates being made available for the game since retail copies were made.

Destructoid staff members have been hit with issues when connecting online. Brad Nicholson has suffered from lag, as have I and my wife. Looking around online seems to confirm that this is a widespread problem, with complaints pouring in like a horde of Infected near a car alarm. The night before launch, the game was running smoothly from my experience, but now the game is a stuttering nuisance most of the time.

Repeated attempts to get into games can find some smooth-running games, but most are almost impossible to play. This is obviously not the kind of thing you want to have for an online-focused game at launch. I'm sure Valve will resolve the issue in good time, but right now it's very frustrating. 

What about you lot? Anybody having similar issues? What about our PC users? Is the Steam version holding up?








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Boatz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:01
Boatz
See MW2 whiners? Dedicated Servers aren't perfect.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:01
Clint
Steam won't even let me play it >.< The games tab just has this "scanning for Steam games updates" message that won't go away D:
Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:03
Wintersocks
Yes it is holding up. MMM... PC baked goodness...so much better than consoles...MMM... Delicious

So yeah, Steams been working fine.
Boatz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:03
Boatz
@Scary Womanizing Pig Mask

Did that to me too. Apparently its 'ninja decrypting' as they said on the Steam Forums. Leave it for an hour or so and it should come up, that's what happened for me anyways.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:03
Clint
Well there we have it. After an hour and half of waiting it finally updated as soon as I posted my comment XP Complaining on the internet actually works!
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:03
Nic128
The first try, it disconnected, after that, it went smoothly. 6 friends + scavenge mode? Lots of fun.
CaptainApocalypse's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:04
CaptainApocalypse
My PC copy works wonderfully. I actually avoided the 360 version for this very reason during my time with the demo. I hope they get it fixed for you guys soon.
Ratsor's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:05
Ratsor
On the PC version I tend to see lots of high pings but with no actual lag. It's very strange. I ran through Dark Carnival last night with an average ping of about 250 but it ran like my ping was 75.
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:06
eduh
dont think think PC gamers will ever have problems, since we have access to dedicated servers.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:06
Jim Sterling
I might get the PC version.

Oh yeah, I play PC games now.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:07
Fiat Mediocrity
The PS3 version has no lag at all.
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:07
Technophile
me thinks xbl can't handle the combined might of MW2 and L4D2.
ndschroede23's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:08
ndschroede23
@eduh

Yeah, assuming you don't count elitism as a problem.
Django Reinhardt's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:09
Django Reinhardt
Grats, Jim.
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:12
eduh
@ndschroede

not sure what you mean, but ye, anyone can rent is own L4d2 server for like 8€/month, which divided by a couple of friends is almost nothing for a perfect l4d2 experience.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:13
StingingVelvet
*Faints at Jim's Comment*

PC Version is fine, it has... dun dun dun... Dedicated Servers!

When all the console gamers were mocking our desire for them in Modern Warfare, this is the reason why. Enjoy the lag.
Queasy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:13
Queasy
I never had problems connecting or getting dropped but the lag was constantly going from jittery to warping. So, I switched over to Assassin's Creed 2. I did get a suggestion on how to fix this from a friend though:

I started a L4D2 game with a friend last night and we noticed right away it was too laggy. So we tried again but this time I set the server settings to "Local" instead of "Official Dedicated" and that solved the lag issue. I thought it was interesting that there's an an option of local or dedicated since usually Live games are hosted locally (AFAIK). Maybe the dedicated servers couldn't handle the release day load?
Hawks's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:14
Hawks
@ndschroede23

Theres nothing elitist about knowing youre on a superior platform.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:14
Jim Sterling
"When all the console gamers were mocking our desire for them in Modern Warfare, this is the reason why. Enjoy the lag.When all the console gamers were mocking our desire for them in Modern Warfare, this is the reason why. Enjoy the lag."

Damn right! Console gamers are SO fucking stupid! Not like us great mates together with our PCs. ENJOY YOUR LAG, XBOT LOSERS!
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:14
jawshoeuh
Yea PC gamers rub it in our faces!
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:16
eduh
loool
Dias13's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:16
Dias13
huh, I figured this was a widespread problem. It's definitely something with the xbox live service or the servers as system linking 2 machines via an Ethernet cable made the lag disappear.

The best fix would probably be to just get the PC version tho :P
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:17
king kong five
My PC version is running very unevenly. I'm not even sure if its an issue of lag or my own PC's performance. In single-player it even seemed much slower than multiplayer, which is counter-intuitive. Tuning the graphics down seemed to make it even slower.

All very odd indeed. Anyone else having these issues? L4D1 runs beautifully on my PC, as did the L4D2 demo.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:19
AngelsDontBurn
I didn't have problems with 360 or PC.
Jonny's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:20
Jonny
@boatz
What in the hell does dedicated servers have to do with XBox Live fucking up? Hahah
Boatz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:20
Boatz
Oh Jim. A gaming rig has tainted you, just like it did to me long ago. KEEP AN OPEN MIND MAN!
zippenpipper's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:21
zippenpipper
yeah steam is holding up fine.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:22
Sexualchocolate
See, this is why we pay for xbox LIVE.

Wait..... What?!
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:25
Fiat Mediocrity
@Jim

I don't usually like to get in to the whole console vs PC debate (they both suck), but online console gaming for me is rarely an enjoyable experience.

I find nothing attractive about having the game host on another player's console. The host advantage sucks, when the hosts connection sucks the lag sucks, randomly losing all the progress in a game because the host sucks and/or the connection just sucked to begin with sucks. It just sucks.

And yes, I know PC gaming has plenty of problems like that too, but at least you have a chance to customize the sucking experience.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:25
Electrium
Obligatory PC GAMES XBOX LIVE EVERYTHING IS ABOUT CONSOLE WARS, INCLUDING THE BIBLE comment.

I hope this doesn't affect review scores, I think that's the dumbest thing ever. I understand the rationale but really, so long as it's fixed who gives a shit about a week of imperfect online gameplay?
Boatz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:26
Boatz
Everyone so pissy. THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT ONE DAY. There's always kinks to work out, whether its in the game, or the connection, or whatever. So if these problems still persist in a week, then start complaining.
Zombutler's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:28
Zombutler
I was experiencing lag when using dedicated servers, but after changing the game settings to Local Server everything ran smooth as butter.
Scroll's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:28
Scroll
Had issues getting into a decent server on PC.

It's very very popular and I guess they haven't got enough good dedicated servers close enough to each group of players etc.
Sapato's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:28
Sapato
there was tons of lag with the demo too, to the point where people would ask me where i was from whenever i joined a room and if I was too far i'd get the boot.
Generic Purple Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:36
Generic Purple Turtle
PC is fine for me, not had a single problem.
drizzt's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:40
drizzt
Nicole and I tried playing last night with a couple of our friends over Live in the Dark Carnival campaign and it was so laggy we had to change the difficulty to easy just to complete it. Hope they find a fix for it soon seeing as how online play is such a pivotal element and all.
ouched's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:45
ouched
I haven't noticed any persistent lag, despite high pings, though some servers are better than others. Maybe one spike per game, tops. Just enjoying Valve games on PC with dedicated servers as god/Gabe Newell intended.

Welcome to the PC Elitists, Jim! You should expect your top hat, cane and smoking jacket shortly, but you might have to learn the secret handshake first.
Chaddicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:51
Chaddicus
@ouched Quite right, sir.
Adam11's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:51
Adam11
Only minor lag last night playing scavenge w/ friends, nothing game-breaking.
rivalscho0ls's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:53
rivalscho0ls
Hit some lag last night just trying to run through the campaign. I don't play online that often though, I just do system link, old school style.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:54
StingingVelvet
@ Jim

"Damn right! Console gamers are SO fucking stupid! Not like us great mates together with our PCs. ENJOY YOUR LAG, XBOT LOSERS!"

It's pretty stupid to prefer paying to use your own internet rather than getting free access to dedicated servers, yes.

Glad you agree.
Pic0o's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:57
Pic0o
Yup on the lag for 360, I had awful lag making a Co-Op game in prep for anyone on my list picking this up. I finished the 1st level of lag, dropped out and made a SP game and the game was smooth.

I'll buy it for PC cheap, once I build a new PC. Til then, console zombie face splitting.
SuperMonk4Ever's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:57
SuperMonk4Ever
Yeah... and I thought it was just me a t first. I'm glad, yet not glad, to hear it isn't just me. Me and my friends had trouble beating Dark Carnival on easy due to the lag... EASY! It made me feel sad inside...

@StingingVelvet: Not all console gamers make fun of you PC people. It's just some of us don't have the money to keep up with the new stuff. That, and I am too used to a controller...
Jared Ari's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:58
Jared Ari
Changing the server settings from "Official Dedicated" to "Local" before the game starts solves lag issues in my experience. This of course works on both platforms.

Hope that helps!
Mueti's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:58
Mueti
Yay for elitism!
I'm sure the issues will be sorted out shortly, isn't it pretty much commonplace for very popular games to have lag issues on the first couple of days?

That said, my PC-version runs perfectly fine, haven't had any problems finding good servers (and that's in Japan, where there's literally nobody playing).
Ignominus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 15:59
Ignominus
One day I will destroy you Jim, and take your legendary trolling powers!!! :P
Genius's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 16:02
Genius
lol FPS on Consoles.

Yeah I said it, so what.
MushroomStamp's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 16:06
MushroomStamp
I've been on steam playing flawlessly. I was totally unaware of ANY issues till I read this.
ndschroede23's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 16:10
ndschroede23
@Hawks

Replace "platform" with "race" and you have Hitler's mantra.
kevvo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2009 16:12
kevvo
I actually played a couple games on non dedicated servers on xbl(I just saw you could choose that) it ran smooth as hell, the first night was horrible tho
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