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Kotick: Activision's Spider-Man games have 'sucked' photo

Let's talk Activision's Spider-Man games. Spider-Man: Web of Shadows? Garbage. Spider-Man 3? Sucked. Spider-Man: Friend or Foe? Nonsense. Spider-Man: Battle for New York? Drivel. Ultimate Spider-Man? Spider-Man 2? Trash.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger, guys. Instead, look at Activision CEO Bobby Kotick, who in a recent Game Informer interview admitted that the publisher's Spider-Man titles have been less than acceptable over the years.

"Our Spider-Man games have sucked for the last five years," he tells the magazine when talking about learning about commitment to quality from Blizzard. "They are bad games. They were poorly rated because they were bad games."

"We went away from what is Spider-Man," he continues. "It's about web-slinging. If you don't do web-slinging, what is the fantasy of Spider-Man?"

Oh boy. I hope he's not hinting that we can expect a bunch of Wii/Natal/Sony motion controller Spider-Man games. You know, to capture what it's like to really sling, uh, webs. Didn't work out so great for Tony Hawk, though. Might I suggest a Spider-Man: The Musical game using the Guitar Hero engine?

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Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:42
Xzyliac
Spider-Man: Web of Shadows? Garbage.

LIES!
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:47
timtheterrible
I agree with Kotick's sentiments. Activision is the new Domino's.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:47
Holyetheline
*falls asleep*

Spiderman 2 was good for the time. Had some annoying boss battles but by far the best web slinging out of all spider man games!
Tomsta666's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:48
Tomsta666
Spidey 2 is probably the best Spider-Man game out there. Ultimate Spider-Man was basically the same game as Spidey 2 only with a different art style and no movie tie-in. So what the hell are you talking about?
Chase Strickland's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:50
Chase Strickland
Watching someone play a horrible Spider Man game is more entertaining than watching Toby Maguire being awkward and lame for 2 hours.

Regardless of the Movies questionable entertainment value, i remember the first spider man games to 'swing' through were pretty epic in a "hey, im spider man!" kind of way.
Turtlehermit's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:52
Turtlehermit
Hey the others were shitty, but don't rag on Spider-man 2, that was a decent game.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:52
TheToiletDuck
The most surprising thing from this article is that the header image wasn't one of the naked old guy with the spiderman body paint.

Ultimate Spiderman was pretty cool. Needed a sequel to iron out the bugs but yeah it was quite fun and looked good.
Aaron126's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:52
Aaron126
LOL, that's weird. Everyone says Spider-Man 2 is an awful game, but honestly? The best game I ever played. And I play A LOT of games.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:52
Strandli
I have good memories of Spiderman for PS1, but that might have been my childhood. But Spider-Man 2 for PS2 is pure awesomeness!
Br0th3rGr1mm's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:53
Br0th3rGr1mm
Spiderman 2's open world portion of the game was pretty good but the story / boss battles were less than stellar. If Ultimate was simliar, I should probilby try and pick that one up.
ZombiePlatypus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:55
ZombiePlatypus
I still think Spider-Man 2 is the best Spidey game yet. All the ones before built up to it, all the ones since have been big letdowns.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:57
Xzyliac
Seriously gang? 2 was good but the best? I'm assuming you all gave up after 3. Web of Shadows was awesome.
Chase Strickland's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 09:59
Chase Strickland
The combat of 1 and 2 was pretty weak, but the i think it was the novelty of swinging around town that made them really awesome for the time.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:07
Chronic Logic
Am I the only one who liked to swing from building to building?
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:08
Jon B
Activision moaning about the quality of a game?
I don't follow this, should I turn my monitor upside-down to try and see what Kotick REALLY means?
Blue Odeyssey's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:10
Blue Odeyssey
Im sorry Kotick, you've just crossed a line, Spiderman: Web Of Shadows was brilliant, it had everything a Spiderman game should have. Ultimate Spiderman and Spiderman 2 were both great as well, WTF is he on about?
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:12
Xzyliac
@Chase Strickland
That's what Web of Shadows fixed. The combat was specacular fun and really fluid and tight. I wasn't expecting anything from Web of Shadows but it was a surprisingly well made game.
Astalano's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:13
Astalano
Wait, Kotick plays games?
SASUGA RIVAL's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:19
SASUGA RIVAL
Fuck Kotick.
Mazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:22
Mazed
@Astalano
'course he does! With our *money*.

(Facetious.)

The Game Informer interview with the guy is actually pretty decent, and if he's being genuine in it (which it certainly seems like), he's a hell of a lot more savvy than he lets on, and isn't quite the evil corporate tyrant he's been made out to be thanks to several quotes taken out of their very sarcastic context.
Camiwaits's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:28
Camiwaits
Ultimate Spider-Man was pretty cool.
360COMIC's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:41
360COMIC
WEB OF SHADOWS was DOPE!!. thats was the prototype for um.. PROTOTYPE. the best spiderman game i ever played was on the PS1. it had all kinds of costumes different abilities and, THE WATCHER was in it. fantastic. none have been as good as that. i thought they were fun though. put a comic book character in a game, and chances are i'll enjoy it.
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:44
JustLikeBuck
For once, I agree with the Man.

But it was nice of him to remind us of this everytime he tried to sell us a Spiderman game.

Activision have a knack of turning the most fantastical of superhero ideas flat. Whilst I enjoyed Web of Shadows, and every other Spiderman game, he deserves better: Why am I fighting the camera more than the on-screen enemies?

Compared to inFAMOUS, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Spiderman need s shot in the arm.
wolverine's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:45
wolverine
Spider-Man 2 was pretty good. Ultimate Spider-Man was fun.But something does stink about this. As Guitar was annual whore out franchise and seems DJ Hero is following, I think Spider-Man Hero won't be far off. Hey kids pretend to be like Spider-man as you jump up and down and wave your arms and look like a dumbass in front a natal box.
Gazp's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 10:54
Gazp
Dont dare to say that about Spider Man 2! Spider Man 2 was AWESOME! The only SM game that had a very competent web slinging mechanic. Even today I still find it fun to play.

If you want good web slinging, take SM 2 and go from there.
MiOdd's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 11:17
MiOdd
I thoroughly enjoyed Ultimate Spiderman. I beat the story mode in less than four hours and still continued to play it completing various challenges like the ring races and beat em up sections where I eventually logged in over twenty hours. Now that's a true statement of quality.
Tarvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 11:20
Tarvu
"Our Spider-Man games have sucked for the last five years."

Since the 10th of July 2004 to be precise.
SuitcoatAvenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 11:29
SuitcoatAvenger
Spider-Man 2 was awesome.

Ultimate Spider-Man was very fun and almost as good as Spider-Man 2.

Spider-Man: Web of Shadows, while not perfect, was perfectly enjoyable and featured some really innovative combat mechanics.

Then again, none of these games came with plastic guitars. I can see by Bobby Kotick does not approve.
Grimhound's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 12:09
Grimhound
Web of Shadows had interesting concept art. The again, I'm a symbiote fan.
Killrig's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 12:12
Killrig
Web of Shadows on the DS is really good! Metroidvania FTW! In fact, it's the highest rated Spider-Man game in the last five years -- beating out the console version.

Play it if you haven't -- especially if you like Metroid and Castlevania.
Matthew Blake's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 12:36
Matthew Blake
I actually really liked Spider-Man 2- it was fun to just dick around New York City, and the webslinging was actually really fun.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 12:45
Qraze
the ps1 spider-man games were great and fun. only thing i liked about ultimate spider-man was the story and controlling venom.
skullz2099's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 12:46
skullz2099
awesome pic BTW
Starrynight's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 13:06
Starrynight
..What? I really liked WOS...
TheRemix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 13:09
TheRemix
I enjoyed most of the spiderman games greatly. Such fond memories of playing Spiderman 2 to kill time at work, especially taking a street thug, dragging him all the way to the tallest building, then doing a piledriver off of the building and into the streets below. Good times... If anything, Spiderman 3 was the low point in the Activision Spiderman games. If anything, I'd like the swing mechanics from 2, with some combat mixed in from Web of Shadows in the next Spiderman game. It's all about the exploration, and speed while web-slinging that does it for me, and I hope to see more of it, in another new Spiderman game at some point soon.
jaygerbomb's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 13:53
jaygerbomb
Web of Shadows wasn't bad by any stretch. It was a little light on story, maybe, and I resented the "go kill X number of Y" in order to advance the plot, but the combat was amazing. It was the first game I felt that really emphasized Spidey's speed, agility, and acrobatics as they should be.
TheTruth's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 14:05
TheTruth
Web Of Shadows is the only good Spider-man since the PS1 Neversoft days.
Man, talk about spitting in the face of the guys who brought Spidey back to being a good game.
Sigh, so I guess the next Spidey will be a Natal using rhythm game? Because obviously Web Of Shadows couldn't have been Activision's lack of ads and dumping it with Christmas releases fault. Seeing as Activision never does anything wrong themselves.
darthVato's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 14:06
darthVato
Spiderman 2 is still one of my favorite games from last generation.


Bobby Kotick? Garbage.
able to think's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 14:21
able to think
Spider-man 2 and Ultimate Spider-man were good but everything on the current gen consoles sucks. Maybe if they fix the combat make a really compelling story (i.e. Ultimate Spider-Man) and add some good new thing to the open world to make it feel new again they would have a critical hit.
mi55ter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 14:28
mi55ter
Am I the only one or is the picture of that dude in the Spidey outfit hilarious? Somebody needs to hit the gym badly.
bbrad1016's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 14:54
bbrad1016
"We went away from what is Spider-Man," he continues. "It's about web-slinging. If you don't do web-slinging, what is the fantasy of Spider-Man?"

No, that is incorrect, web-slinging is only a portion of the Spider-Man fantasy. How about focusing on good combat using his unique agile fighting style? How about fine tuning his Spider-Sense to work like Batman's sense in Arkham.

Why does every single Spidey game need to be set in an open world sandbox. For once I'd like to see them make a nice Action Adventure game for Spidey... Batman and Wolverine both were given very enjoyable Action games last year, it's time for Spider-Mans. Get a good story, some good mechanics and for the love of god some good voice acting. This shouldn't be that hard for one of the most popular characters in mainstream media right now. Give it Ubisoft or Bioware or something. Activison has failed just like Sony.
Kefka's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 14:54
Kefka
Is Bobby Baggins seriously only focusing on ONE single thing that's supposed to signify a great Spiderman game? Just because it didn't get the sales of their Guitar Hero meets Ravi Shankar/whatever series, doesn't mean it sucks.
PwnanObrien's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 15:13
PwnanObrien
I'm glad to see this many people enjoyed Spiderman 2, makes me feel less crazy for saying that a licensed open-world game was fun.
Coldbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 17:14
Coldbrand
Maximum Carnage is the best Spider-Man game. This is common knowledge.
Robot Viking's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 17:34
Robot Viking
I really liked Ultimate Spider Man. It was by no means perfect, but it was far from bad. I also liked how it tied directly into the comic continuity and hope more comic based games do the same in the future.
AdamantiumHip's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 17:59
AdamantiumHip
web of shadows was fantastic. Like Bobby KoDICK knows shit about good games anyway (didn't he greenlight secret service?)
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 18:25
Doos
Spidey 2 was the best. That's not saying much... but it is saying something.
Themightylebeau2009's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 19:22
Themightylebeau2009
Spiderman 2 on GC for me, never played any of the others. A for comic book games, I think Wolverine was a step in the right direction.

You know what would be good using the 'freeflow' style combat? Blade.
grasslunatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/20/2010 11:45
grasslunatic
Spider man 2 was a good game. Kotick needs to shut up.
SpiderBite's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/23/2010 22:11
SpiderBite
So I posted this on the other article that was about the reveal of the new Spider-Man game, but I figured it fir here so i copied and pasted it over. Sorry if you guys hate internet ranters ( I know I do occassionally) but Spider-Man is near and dear to me...so here we go...rant time




I created this account just to comment...



That being said, I have HATED most of the past Spider-Man games. Okay, so maybe hate is a strong word. STRONGLY DISLIKED. The Spider-Man games for the N64 and PS1 were awesome, but after that I havent found a game I really like, and am very dissapointed by this. I felt the movie-based games were good, but still werent all that great due to having Tobey Maguire as the voice and working within the confines of the movie stories. and Spider-Man 3 was just plain terrible. I was soooooo buzzed about Web of Shadows, so was dismayed when I realized it was pretty bad too. It had lots of potential but fell rather flat. The lack of bonus content, the poorly handled cameos, weird attack effects, lame attempts to cash in on the symbiote hype, and the ever-grating fact that the character of Peter Parker was horribly handled, and Mike Vaughns voice makes me want to rip my ears off and fill the holes wih adamantium spikes so as to pierce my eardrums and never hear him again. I also didnt like having the dark suit. DEVELOPERS NOTE THIS PLEASE: SPIDER-MAN IS NOT A DARK CHARACTER. If you want to experiment with a badass mo-fo hero, try Punisher, not the Web-head. All the dark BS just irritated me. A hero who makes such choices....hmm I dunno, WOLVERINE!!!!! how about a game where you are tracking down Sabretooth, and all your decisions can be decided as humane or animalistic. Then by the end, it will determine if you stab him cleanly or tear him to shreds. THAT would be a game that actually uses the design of the game to portray the character himself. Spider-Man is not the place.


Moving on, people have also mentioned Ultimate Spider-Man. AMAZING GAME!!!! but still cant ever be my favourite as its set in the Ultimate universe. sad but true.


In closing, if they want to follow the general model of Spider-Man games as they have been, then they should spend more time to figure out what their doing, IGNORE SYMBIOTES (at least for a while) and for the love of Stan Lee, GET CHRIS BARNES OR RINO ROMANO OR JOSH KEATON BACK!!!! If Mike Vaughn, Ben Diskin, or Quinton Flynn are back, I may be forced to kill myself.


They could just try some new formula all together, but somehow I doubt they will.


Sorry for the rant guys, I just needed to get that off my chest.

---SpiderBite
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