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Ugh. I respect Konami as the originators of the "play music with fake plastic instruments" genre, but I hope they don't get anything for this. What Harmonix has done with Guitar Hero and Rock Band is incredible, and I wouldn't mind Konami trying to get a cut of the pie (Rock Revolution, right?), but this is not the way they ought to be doing it.
As much as I enjoy DDR, Konami is being a little bitch about most rhythm games on the market. It's almost as if they dislike competition in that genre.
Whatever excuse they may have, it looks to me like they're trying to cash in on anything they can because their own series has been dying. They did this with ITG, which I do think was basically a rip off of their own DDR, it was still unfair of them to get rid of the competition because they refuse to innovate, and like stated already, refusing to localize their other series. That's probably their business plan, wait and sue anything that is similar in any way to their own games.
Whatever excuse they may have, it looks to me like they're trying to cash in on anything they can because their own series has been dying. They did this with ITG, which I do think was basically a rip off of their own DDR, it was still unfair of them to get rid of the competition because they refuse to innovate, and like stated already, refusing to localize their other series. That's probably their business plan, wait and sue anything that is similar in any way to their own games.
What takes companies soooo long to sue companies for retarded crap like this? What rock have they been living under for the past 4 or 5 years? Seriously?
Also yeah, I hope they don't get any money from this. I understand they're bitter because someone else ran with their idea and improved upon it, but it's Konami's fault in the first place for not taking a chance and localizing their games.
Also yeah, I hope they don't get any money from this. I understand they're bitter because someone else ran with their idea and improved upon it, but it's Konami's fault in the first place for not taking a chance and localizing their games.
This sounds like yet another frivolous video game related lawsuit. Unless Konami holds the patent for plastic along with the microphone, drums, and the guitar, then this just amounts to a retarded cash grab. I'm certain Harmonix/Viacom would win in court but it's kind of sad knowing that Harmonix will just throw a fistful of cash at Konami and tell them to piss off to avoid wasting time and most likely more money than the settlement would be in court.
As Guitar said. Stop whining and bitching about original games being taken, done a bit better, then made a home thing.
I love Konami and Benami games. But i've waited years on out to play Guitar Freaks, Drummania, and an actual good Beatmania. none of those 3 have been done yet thanks to no arcade getting any and for the fact Konami's too busy pumpin out crappy american songs on DDR.
I love Konami and Benami games. But i've waited years on out to play Guitar Freaks, Drummania, and an actual good Beatmania. none of those 3 have been done yet thanks to no arcade getting any and for the fact Konami's too busy pumpin out crappy american songs on DDR.
its probably in konami's best interest for the game to be out for as long as it has so it can gain mainstream acceptance and popularity before dropping the sue on em that way they can get the $$$$$$$$$$4. honestly though harmonix should sue right back when rock revolution comes out. all of these games will eat eachother when they are released with their overpriced plastic instruments.
What took them so long? Timing.
If both series weren't successful and expanding out of Konami's control, they wouldn't have cared.
They've literally put Konami in a position where NO ONE outside of a niche would care if their games were finally localized, because there are two franchises doing what they've done, and (arguably) better.
Is it their fault? Yes and no. Because personally, I think outside of the music, the games aren't incredibly interesting to look at. This is really where the competition's games succeed that Konami's do not. Transforming the experience from challenging but otherwise dull note striking to a rock star fantasy is where GH and RB have taken the throne, and literally demolished it.
When Beatmania finally came out here, they dropped the ball massively with a mediocre soundtrack, and an interface behind what they currently were up to in Japan. Not to mention that I was too busy playing DJ Max to care, what with it's better aesthetics and great, catchy music.
But I digress...Konami dug themselves into this hole, now they're trying to climb out of it with a pointless lawsuit in an atttempt to reclaim the genre they created. It isn't happening, and this won't gain them any cool points from anyone.
If both series weren't successful and expanding out of Konami's control, they wouldn't have cared.
They've literally put Konami in a position where NO ONE outside of a niche would care if their games were finally localized, because there are two franchises doing what they've done, and (arguably) better.
Is it their fault? Yes and no. Because personally, I think outside of the music, the games aren't incredibly interesting to look at. This is really where the competition's games succeed that Konami's do not. Transforming the experience from challenging but otherwise dull note striking to a rock star fantasy is where GH and RB have taken the throne, and literally demolished it.
When Beatmania finally came out here, they dropped the ball massively with a mediocre soundtrack, and an interface behind what they currently were up to in Japan. Not to mention that I was too busy playing DJ Max to care, what with it's better aesthetics and great, catchy music.
But I digress...Konami dug themselves into this hole, now they're trying to climb out of it with a pointless lawsuit in an atttempt to reclaim the genre they created. It isn't happening, and this won't gain them any cool points from anyone.
Oh wow, it's ITG all over again. Konami can't compete with the competition, so they're suing the pants off of it in an attempt to make it go away. -.-
I'm with Chaoticwolf.
Konami seem to hate any competition when it comes to their Bemani games. Konami sued when In The Groove came out, and this is history repeating. Anytime someone takes an idea they came up with, then changes it up and improves it, what does Konami due?
Cue lawsuit time.
Konami has missed so many opportunities here with their Bemani games. I used to LOVE Bemani, but nothing ever came over. When Guitar Hero was created, it was a blessing. Guitar freaks with more buttons and american rock? Sweet. It's sad to see that it has taken Konami THIS LONG to bring over their "Rock Revolution." This lawsuit just shows how pathetic they have become.
Konami seem to hate any competition when it comes to their Bemani games. Konami sued when In The Groove came out, and this is history repeating. Anytime someone takes an idea they came up with, then changes it up and improves it, what does Konami due?
Cue lawsuit time.
Konami has missed so many opportunities here with their Bemani games. I used to LOVE Bemani, but nothing ever came over. When Guitar Hero was created, it was a blessing. Guitar freaks with more buttons and american rock? Sweet. It's sad to see that it has taken Konami THIS LONG to bring over their "Rock Revolution." This lawsuit just shows how pathetic they have become.
Lets look at this with a little bit more information thrown in to the pile, shall we?
Everyone's played Guitar Hero by now, right? Well, in the opening screens of the game you should notice a HUGE GIGANTIC LIST of patents that the game incorporates. If you do your homework then you'll find out that most of those patents are owned by Konami and Activision had to license in order to use.
Harmonix, however, did not license the patents and use them with legal consent like Activision did, but instead just went and incorporated the same technology that Konami's patents use in to their games.
Konami does have a legitimate claim despite the fact that we, as gamers, may see it as "bitching" or "jealousy".
Everyone's played Guitar Hero by now, right? Well, in the opening screens of the game you should notice a HUGE GIGANTIC LIST of patents that the game incorporates. If you do your homework then you'll find out that most of those patents are owned by Konami and Activision had to license in order to use.
Harmonix, however, did not license the patents and use them with legal consent like Activision did, but instead just went and incorporated the same technology that Konami's patents use in to their games.
Konami does have a legitimate claim despite the fact that we, as gamers, may see it as "bitching" or "jealousy".
Konami, you're wasting your time. Most of these lawsuits are pretty useless. They can't accept the fact their "king of music-games" title was taken by Harmonix/Activision. Rather than suing everyone, they need to create an updated music-game that can compete with Rock Band/Guitar Hero.
Sad, but this will go nowhere. They've missed their opportunity to sue on other devices created prior to Rock Band and the patents on common functionality and design are very hard to win.
What's frustrating is how lazy Konami is about being proactive about stepping up to competition. In the case of the ITG suit, they acquired ITG and then did what with it? Nothing. Removing the competition was all they wanted and the crap they shoveled out afterwards in the same vein wasn't even remotely to par with what Roxor had been putting out for ITG.
If they do collect on this, then what? I don't understand exactly how this works, but would Harmonix essentially give up the ghost on Rock Band so they wouldn't have to pay up even more for future "infringements"? Someone please clarify for me, because I think Konami needs a few head shots.
If they do collect on this, then what? I don't understand exactly how this works, but would Harmonix essentially give up the ghost on Rock Band so they wouldn't have to pay up even more for future "infringements"? Someone please clarify for me, because I think Konami needs a few head shots.
I find myself not giving a crap, since for some reason, I can't have any fun with Rock Band. Guitar hero 2 was the last music game that was any fun to me.
I find it hard to believe Harmonix just didn't bother to get patent rights for their games. That seems a little too big of a mistake.
Wait... so Konami took their sweet ass time localizing decently fun games, and now are upset that a US based company took their genre, improved it to no end, and put out song packs that didn't include any j-pop? Who would have thought non-japanese people would LOVE music games that were actually fun to listen to, and not just fun to play.
About time? Give me a break. This makes Konami's cool points dip big time. They're wasting their time trying to sue them.
Idiots. Konami obviously has nothing better to do at the moment.
Idiots. Konami obviously has nothing better to do at the moment.
Guitar Hero and Rock Band are on a completely different level than Guitar Freaks and Drummania. Greedy bastards.
Well if Konami have patents (and they certainly have the historical precedent for these kind of games), then they should be entitled to sue. Doesn't mean they'll win of course. But it is clear that GH and Rock Band are blatant rip-offs of Konami games.
patents are what will destroy this world... they are the fucking reason half of the PS3 owners out there is stuck with a no-good-ultra-light-controller, forced to shell out more $$ to get a decent one...
As much as I like Konami, and while I did sort of think at one time that Guitar Hero was a Guitar Freaks knock-off (With way better music...), this is fucking bullshit.
Konami pulled this shit when In the Groove came out, and it was just as sickening then. They seem to operate on the belief that they have sole domain over the music genre, and any competitors are to be crushed underfoot.
Fuck them.
Konami pulled this shit when In the Groove came out, and it was just as sickening then. They seem to operate on the belief that they have sole domain over the music genre, and any competitors are to be crushed underfoot.
Fuck them.
Fuck Konami. Seriously. Those assholes should have localized Guitar Freaks and Drummania WAY before Guitar Hero came out. Now these bitches complain that a company is succeeding with a similar, better product in a region where they never released their own fucking game?!
This is ridiculous, just like Capcom, being sued by MKR group -they have the rights to "x" of the Dead movies- many years after Dead Rising was a huge success.
I hate Konami. I wish MGS's were published by a different company. And yes, they screwed up PES2008, ps3.. And yes, I hate Konami ID, why aren't they content with my PSN account. And yes, they were being pricks when they removed pes05 online functionality, when PES06 came out, even tho the matches were held peer to peer.. I hate patents, btw. I have my reasons.
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