Kojima suggests Killzone 2 controls are rushed

That sarcasm was completely unwarranted.

Just saying.....

@Slayer
Isn't most sarcastic remarks unwarranted?

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Motion Control certainly has it's place in games like Wario Ware and the like, but I agree.... it should always be optional. I remember trying to play Far Cry on the Wii... besides being a horrid game, it was ridiculous getting to grips with the controls.

@Jim - this is quite the sensationalist title for your piece. He's stating the 0.00001% of gameplay time you have to stop and open a door using sixaxis controls feels a bit rushed or tacked on. He's not saying that the entire control scheme is rushed.

The Killzone devs are trying to break things up in the action and thought this control scheme would help bring you into the game more. God forbid people try new things.

Why don't they understan that sixaxis isn't good?

Jimbo:

Everything about Kojima suggests he's nothing but a class act. If he talks about another game, it's usually always nice and with the good of the game in mind. He played Killzone 2 and shared his thoughts on it, and used it to highlight a common problem we have at the moment. I don't think he did anything wrong in the slightest.

If the just fix the sixaxis everything will be good. I can't even think of one good game with good sixaxis controls.
@ Jim:

Do you know if Mirror's Edge sixaxis is good or not?

* Motion controls in PS3 never works well. I hate every time that a game use it. In Wii is good, most of time, bacause the focus is in that. But in PS3 is like a "well, let´s put the motion here". Poor Lair.

I think is great that Kojima is giving his two cent about Killzone 2. How many game developers are able to implement the SixAxis control correctly and fluidly into thier games?
Many game developers shun away from the SixAxis. This is the kind of feedback Guerilla needs just so they can tweak every element of the SixAxis if they wish to use it.

Sounds like something Guerilla would do. Ugh.

@covah: I don't remember Insomniac saying anything, but if they did, that's just as petty.

The point I'm making is that developers don't need to bash each other's games. It's not another developer's responsibility to call out LAIR's controls, for instance; it's reviewers' and gamers' responsibility.

And in Killzone's specific case, they've already got astronomical expectations to meet, so they don't need this kind of attention on them. Kojima should've been a little more professional and spoke to them confidentially to offer advice on making the SIXAXIS controls more intuitive, and then spoken to the gaming press on the state of SIXAXIS controls without specifically calling Killzone 2 into question.

Finally, beyond all that, he's playing a build of the game that is incomplete and still has about five more months to be worked on. So of course it's rushed. Why would he expect it to be perfect? He should realize the danger of making judgments based on incomplete builds of games.


I'd also just like to mention that I'm not saying any of this out of some blind loyalty to Sony, Guerilla, or Killzone 2. The first one was one of the worst FPSs I've ever played, but this one looks really promising, so all the help they can get would be great.

I just feel that it was really unprofessional and hypocritical for Kojima of all people to be publicly calling out an unfinished game's controls when all of his games have had godawful controls (even MGS4) and flawed game design. To be perfectly honest, I feel like this was a total dick move.

After the controls in MGS3, I don't think Kojima has the right to talk about shitty controls ever.

MGS4 felt fine to me, but MGS3... oh my god... MGS3 had the most frustrating controls I've ever put myself through. I'm proud of myself for finishing that game just because it was so painful to play.

Wow you guys sure are dicks. For starters, it's a snippet from a much larger interview found at,

http://games.kikizo.com/features/hideo-kojima-interview-2008-p1.asp

Secondly, he's an industry legend offering professional advice. He didn't say "Killzone 2 is shit!" He and several others apparently had a problem with one facet of the game and wanted to shed light on it.

Let's make a deal, when you've created some of the greatest games of all time you can then comment on Kojima's professionalism. But until then, STFU.

I liked Killzones demoed implementation, r1+r2 and turn the controller, it is kind of immersive. And I wanted uncharted to use sixaxis in the wheel turning parts, but they used tap triangle, wiggle stick combo. That sounded bad, I know.

Let's make a deal, when you've created some of the greatest games of all time you can then comment on Kojima's professionalism. But until then, STFU.

Replace "greatest" with "most overrated" and you're correct.

Motion control in a controller shaped like the wii, that you hold like a wii-mote; that seems natural.

I never found the SixAxis natural. It's always felt awkward & forced.

Also, pixeljunky is spot on, this is something you'll be doing 0.0001 percent of the time you're playing. No need to exaggarate, it is not like you are using sixaxis for targeting.

Does it really matter?

All FPS on consoles with those damn little analog stick suck balls to control anyway.

you cant improve a control device that already sucks at the hardware level for FPS.

Now let me get this straight.. Kojima says the motion sensing controls are rushed, therefore 25% of you have come out to say that they hated the controls in Metal Gear Solid 3 and 4? Uh.. And you finished these games...
forgive me for being the devils advocate.. but If you pick a game up, and you cannot stand or understand the controls, why are you still playing this game? You should either return the game or let your friend play it. The only reason you would have for finishing a game with controls that you dislike would be what? You ENJOY being tortured. You are a masochist.

As for Metal Gears controls, I always found them as second nature. Always fairly easy to control. I also found each Metal Gear game purchase to be a well spent one.

I often find people bashing these games.. but I honestly call you people out. Did you finish the game? Did you spend all the time with these "horrid controls" to beat the game? If you answer yes then you are contradicting yourself by saying that the controls and game suck, "but I played through the whole thing" Liar.. if the controls are so bad.. you should be UNABLE to complete it. Because that's exactly what "bad controls" eual out to.. you can't finish the game.
It's like me when I buy ZotE expecting everything the metal gear game offered. I was sadly disappointed with Zone of the Enders. I expected more out of Hideo and I was burned by it. that doesn't mean it's a Horrid game, nor does it mean that someone else didn't like it.

These days I won't pass judgment on a game until it's finished, and I've played it beginning to it's end.
But I do agree with some of you.. Saying this to a member of the press seems a bit unprofessional. And I would almost go as far as to say pretentious. But for all we know he hangs out in Amsterdam with the people who are making Killzone 2 helping them with programming and whatnot.

I think Hideo "all cut scenes all the time" Kojima means well.

I didn't have a problem with the sixaxis controls. But I can see how some might.

Less sound bites and more porting Metal Gear to 360, Kojima.