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People always say things like "if [X] happens, I'm done with gaming".
But honestly? I'm weary of cloud computing entering consumer media. To be frank, you don't own your data - it's housed on someone else's servers.
Take OnLive - you're effectively renting their games. Unlike Steam, where you're physically downloading something to your machine that can be "unlocked" if Valve goes under, you have nothing to fall back on outside of their servers.
But honestly? I'm weary of cloud computing entering consumer media. To be frank, you don't own your data - it's housed on someone else's servers.
Take OnLive - you're effectively renting their games. Unlike Steam, where you're physically downloading something to your machine that can be "unlocked" if Valve goes under, you have nothing to fall back on outside of their servers.
Well Kojima gets exited about every new feature, so this is not supprising. Personaly, I don't care about the cloud, but the more options, the better.
That comment is half-baked.
Comments, too, need a head chef to make sure that they are all well-done or sufficiently rare to suit individual tastes.
Comments, too, need a head chef to make sure that they are all well-done or sufficiently rare to suit individual tastes.
Yeah, well Jim, it would be a Fable to believe I don't have an idea of The Entrepeneour you're talking about, but it's not like I'll assume you're a Powermonger forming a Syndicate against him. Have more faith in the Populus; in this Theme Park we call life not everything is seen as Black & White, like in The Movies.
...or you calid be talking about David Cage; I'm not sure.
...or you calid be talking about David Cage; I'm not sure.
I don't think cloud based streaming games will be the future. I have a great internet connection and tried out OnLive but it annoyed me after a while when games would lag from time to time. I thought the whole idea was neat, but console gaming is still better. I'm sure that services like OnLive will be around for a while, but they will not replace consoles until the internet gets a lot faster.
Games have changed.
It's not about consols, or ideologies.
It's not even about profit, resources, or story.
It's an endless series of proxy calls,
played on servers and phones.
Gaming, and its vast passing of time,
has become a rational, well-oiled business transaction.
Games have changed.
ID-tagged people carry ID-tagged cell phone,
use ID-tagged social networks.
Computers inside their pockets
enhance and track their actions.
Identity control.. Information control..
Emotion control.. Game control.
Everything is monitored, and kept under control.
Games have changed.
The age of play is now the age of the cloud,
averting catastrophe from loss of revenue.
And he who controls the cloud, controls history.
Games have changed.
When the cloud is under total control,
Games become routine.
It's not about consols, or ideologies.
It's not even about profit, resources, or story.
It's an endless series of proxy calls,
played on servers and phones.
Gaming, and its vast passing of time,
has become a rational, well-oiled business transaction.
Games have changed.
ID-tagged people carry ID-tagged cell phone,
use ID-tagged social networks.
Computers inside their pockets
enhance and track their actions.
Identity control.. Information control..
Emotion control.. Game control.
Everything is monitored, and kept under control.
Games have changed.
The age of play is now the age of the cloud,
averting catastrophe from loss of revenue.
And he who controls the cloud, controls history.
Games have changed.
When the cloud is under total control,
Games become routine.
Games, like all things creative, are as varied as the people that craft them. Kojima sees game design from his perspective, which has always been very personally focused. Even beyond development, he is so central to the games he makes that he and his persona are almost like a lens through which his games can be viewed; many gamers, including myself, take the man into account as part of the experience when we play his games. Likewise, developers who work best in teams will consider the best development environment to be team-based. There is no one way to make a good game. Kojima's style is a matter of preference, nothing more. If anything, design by committee is a more popular choice in the industry right now, and there are more great games now than ever.
I don't mind cloud gaming, but we're moving towards it too quickly. Consoles cannot compete with PC's in this regard and they'll fail due to the overpriced nature of their storage devices. We have to wait until everything is affordable before we move on.
You know what happens to clouds? They disappear. This is why I would not want all gaming to be cloud gaming.
I love everything about Metal Gear: the gameplay, the story, the characters, the long cutscenes, the lore, the whole package, and I'm very glad no one "saved it" from becoming "waffling and complex". Here's to many more years of convoluted plots and movie-long endings!
I'd just like to plug my earlier blog post here. Kojima is a smart man for listening to me:
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/L0LFAQ/the-digital-distribution-myth-politeness-edition-206654.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/L0LFAQ/the-digital-distribution-myth-politeness-edition-206654.phtml
Addendum: even digital distribution, much closer to our reality than cloud gaming, is not nearly as ubiquitous as some make it out to be and still won't be for a while. Case in point: The Witcher 2,a PC exclusive, sold only 20% of its copies through digital channels, a surprisingly low number when you consider many have already dismissed retail pc games as "dead". So imagine how far off "the cloud" is from replacing consoles, if we indeed ever get that far.
Good point by Kojima about a head chef leading the way on a project. Just look at (RIP) Steve Jobs and Apple. Nothing good ever comes out of design-by-committee.
That's not to say it will always work. I mean, look at Denis Dyack. >.>
That's not to say it will always work. I mean, look at Denis Dyack. >.>
I'm the kind of person who in spite of living in Europe import all my Saturn games from America because I love the game cases of American Saturn games in spite of it costing me more. When cloud gaming takes over, I will most likely increase my retro collecting and decrease my modern gaming.
Cloud gaming might be the future but it worries me when the publishers and not the market has full control of the price. I saw a comparison Eurogamer did between OnLive, Steam and Amazon and in all cases, the physical product was the cheapest and OnLive the most expensive which makes no sense at all.
Cloud gaming might be the future but it worries me when the publishers and not the market has full control of the price. I saw a comparison Eurogamer did between OnLive, Steam and Amazon and in all cases, the physical product was the cheapest and OnLive the most expensive which makes no sense at all.
"Metal Gear Solid director Hideo Kojima has embraced a future where Cloud delivery and augmented reality take hold, joining a growing cabal of developers who believe that consoles are on the way out and game streaming is on the way in."
Good, then Kojima can fight with AT&T to get me better internet service and higher data caps in my area. Maybe he can go ahead make the war on ISP's change, like he managed to change normal, video game, war. That would be real nice of him.
Otherwise, no, this isn't the future at all, at least not in the US where a lot of people are being kicked to the curb over varying factors they have absolutely no say in improving.
Also, I'd probably watch Hell's Developing Studio. The Reality show that pits developers against one another so that they can win (and promptly leave*) a spot as "head chef" at a big name studio, much like Hell's Kitchen does for actual chefs.
(*most of the chef's who win Hell's kitchen don't even last 4 months at the place they fought so hard to win a spot at)
Good, then Kojima can fight with AT&T to get me better internet service and higher data caps in my area. Maybe he can go ahead make the war on ISP's change, like he managed to change normal, video game, war. That would be real nice of him.
Otherwise, no, this isn't the future at all, at least not in the US where a lot of people are being kicked to the curb over varying factors they have absolutely no say in improving.
Also, I'd probably watch Hell's Developing Studio. The Reality show that pits developers against one another so that they can win (and promptly leave*) a spot as "head chef" at a big name studio, much like Hell's Kitchen does for actual chefs.
(*most of the chef's who win Hell's kitchen don't even last 4 months at the place they fought so hard to win a spot at)
@Druseph
Thank you. So much.
I think cloud gaming can be a very good thing. Lots of people rent games anyway. I still prefer to own the ones i think i'm really going to like, which is all of them. Hideo kojima is awesome.
Thank you. So much.
I think cloud gaming can be a very good thing. Lots of people rent games anyway. I still prefer to own the ones i think i'm really going to like, which is all of them. Hideo kojima is awesome.
@BoomingEchoes higher data caps? what about no data caps at all. Here in Holland no isp has data cap for non mobile internet. I personally even have 50mbit up/down and sometimes me and my brother download more than 2tb in a month without any problems
When bandwidth is efficient to stream cloud titles at the quality of local rendering, it's also sufficient to distribute much larger games.
There's also the scale. Imagine the back-room capacity required for serving just the 100million HD console users alone, let alone the countless PC and misc systems players. Where do you physically put that capacity?
This isn't web pages being served, it's pegged CPU/GPU load.
There's also the scale. Imagine the back-room capacity required for serving just the 100million HD console users alone, let alone the countless PC and misc systems players. Where do you physically put that capacity?
This isn't web pages being served, it's pegged CPU/GPU load.
HDTV streaming requires at least a 5Mbps download speed. At this rate you can download a 10GB file in 4 and a half hour, or about the time it takes to watch 2 movies, or more than half the amount of recommended sleep.
Yeah, I don't see digital distribution going anywhere.
Cloud processing is the future, but I don't think we're there yet, or that it will kill local processing outright.
Yeah, I don't see digital distribution going anywhere.
Cloud processing is the future, but I don't think we're there yet, or that it will kill local processing outright.
@MrBoBo1
don't be a dumbass douchebag
lol at west ahead of east XD
get real boy.
i think cloud is the future at the same time i still want my physical copies. i don't know there's just something good about them.
though as things like game saves definitely they need it(only if they increased or make it unlimited slots not the Bullshit 3 slot saves)
cloud based will probably take off on countries that have high speed internet as a norm like Japan, Korea.
US will probably take awhile till they catch up.
don't be a dumbass douchebag
lol at west ahead of east XD
get real boy.
i think cloud is the future at the same time i still want my physical copies. i don't know there's just something good about them.
though as things like game saves definitely they need it(only if they increased or make it unlimited slots not the Bullshit 3 slot saves)
cloud based will probably take off on countries that have high speed internet as a norm like Japan, Korea.
US will probably take awhile till they catch up.
Having a vendetta against David Cage is a perfectly healthy reaction to his existence.
My lord, Kojima is bonkers.
My lord, Kojima is bonkers.
You know, you'd think a person known for his attention to detail would pay enough attention to put his glasses on straight.
Having something against David Cage is perfectly normal - it means you like stories where humans actually interact like humans. This is different from a David Cage game, where that totally does not happen.
As for Cloud-based gaming - i'm all for transferring saves and such, but playing games from cloud? Sounds like the ultimate DRM to me. Great for multiplayer games, perhaps, but a horrible idea for single player experiences.
As for Cloud-based gaming - i'm all for transferring saves and such, but playing games from cloud? Sounds like the ultimate DRM to me. Great for multiplayer games, perhaps, but a horrible idea for single player experiences.
At least Kojimas games are fun. I think Cage just likes torturing gamers with awful narratives and an excess of stupid QTEs.
Well Kojima has some weird plots, but in a strange way they compliment the seriousnes of the scenarios and the stealth genres so I like him. And, even tough he has something for narrative, his games are often still fun in the normal gameplay department so I wouldn't compare him to an interactive movie maker.
And I love his idea of games that explode when you die. ;)
And I love his idea of games that explode when you die. ;)
I just had a quick note for the anti-DD crowd to consider: Steam pre-downloading, with unlock on launch day. I totally think this could nicely work for consoles, too, especially if the auto-activate feature used for PSN updates were applied for game preDLs, as well. This would tide us American gamers over until our broadband options multiplied and became fruitful, while letting our consoles quietly do all the downloading while we're at work, watching Netflix, etc.
I don't feel it has to be such a binary world, either cloud gaming and no digital distribution, or DD-forever 'cause cloud's untrustworthy. The only flip side is getting Microsoft and Sony to be as clever as Valve, when it comes to DD.
@Syn: genius. Hilariously genius!
I don't feel it has to be such a binary world, either cloud gaming and no digital distribution, or DD-forever 'cause cloud's untrustworthy. The only flip side is getting Microsoft and Sony to be as clever as Valve, when it comes to DD.
@Syn: genius. Hilariously genius!
Oh, and one more:
@Druself: read the whole thing, in Snake's voice from 'Modern War Gear Solid'! Loved it!
@Druself: read the whole thing, in Snake's voice from 'Modern War Gear Solid'! Loved it!
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