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covah

Does the patch fix the fact that it was a stripped down lacking everything fun?

Magnalon

Sold this piece for $50 a few weeks ago, and banked the cash for Super Street Fighter IV.

papped

Too bad the lag is massively horrible even after the patch...

Mentok the Mindtaker

@solidus187 - Because it's one of the best fighting games out!

theswitcher

Laughable statement at best. No new characters, and the old ones return with completely stripped out movesets, no endings, no bosses, no worthwhile unlockables, the arcade mode is a joke, and one super per character.

Not to mention that all the new gameplay systems were flashy joke garbage. If I wanted custom combos back, I'd play Alpha 2. Which I wouldn't do.

Squishy3

Yeah, except don't talk crap if you don't know what you're talking about. SNK spent YEARS on this game, because they wanted to stick to their roots and do pixel-art while still having it be high-res. They also redrew every character, instead of re-using the same sprites they've used for the past 10 years. It takes 14 months to fully draw and animate one of the characters with multiple artists working on the character, and them hiring new artists during the whole development. The only reason why the game seems stripped down to you is because no game company can afford to spend their money on a project and not see any revenue for that project incoming especially while increasing costs by hiring more artists just to get it out. Also, if the new gameplay systems are garbage, then the Ultra system in SFIV is just flashy garbage as well, because it adds a cinematic element to a 2D fighting game. I don't understand why SNK gets nothing BUT SHIT for trying to bring their premier fighting game franchise to next-gen consoles. When a company starts design on a game they've been utilizing the same sprites from the previous games for 10 years from scratch all over again, of course there's not going to be as much content as something that takes half the time to develop because there's more 3D artists than 2D. I love Street Fighter, I love KoF, I like most fighting games.

TheRemix

In my opinion, this was my favorite fighting game of this year. I played the multiplayer to death as soon as the game came out. The game ran very smoothly for me when it first came out, but continued to slow down after more people started playing it. I will happily pick up a new copy of this game, and continue where I left off.

And also, I say this was my favorite game, because for most of the fighting games I've played in the last year, balancing has always been the big issue. KoF XII was the only fighter that I personally thought had no bad match-ups at all, on or offline. Even when I lost matches online, I never walked away feeling that my opponent's character was over powered in any way against mine. Just my two cents..

killatia

Still no buy for me. Next time add in more content into your fighting games instead of having the gamers rely on laggy online pay next time.

DinnertimeNinja

@theswitcher

Seconded.

King of Fighters hasn't been a relevant fighter in, well, ever. This was supposed to be an evolution of the series, and instead we got a bastardization of what used to be good.

I feel like the company had planned like 10 more characters (ones that people actually WANTED), 10 more stages, and several more modes, but they just ran out of time and put out half of a product.

I literally have NO idea what the developers were thinking when trying to determine an audience for the game. They screwed over the hardcore fans by removing a TON of series favorites (and it's not like they added anything new to make up for it) and they made it unappealing to new players by giving you nothing more than arcade and versus.

RAB

it's a shame. I lost count of how many people I know that simply dropped KOF12 and sold it because the online was such garbage. It just made the whole package look ugly. Couple with the fact that the game was fucking NAKED. Cmon, atleast gimme some endings.

It's like a raincloud just follows SNK around.

Dan CiTi

They really should have made Mark of the Wolves 2. It is too bad. I love SNK, but they can't seem to catch a break in these modern times.

the7k

@Solidus187

KOFXII is the most balanced 2D fighting game I've played. Even though my main is bottom tier (Clark), it has never held me back. Compare that to the respective bottom tiers from SF4 or BlazBlue.

Sure, SNK made a lot of crappy decisions with KOFXII, but I enjoyed it for what it was. Considering its the last true KOF we may see (considering the KOF:MI and 3D Samurai Showdown abominations will likely bankrupt SNK), I'd say it could have gone a lot worse. At least it isn't KOF2k1 or 2k2.

livestatic

Are ham fisted storytelling and frustrating boss characters really what fighting game fans want? I can't understand these kinds of criticisms. No one ragging on this game seems to take note of the excellent fighting mechanics or balance. Admittedly, the net-code has been a tragedy.

Also, I am not a long-time KoF player (I've had only brief sessions with some of the later installments), but I can understand how jarring it must feel to have the characters you love stripped unceremoniously from the game. However, I have serious concerns when a roster of 20+ characters is ever considered a fraction of what is necessary to create an awesome fighting game. I feel it does a great disservice to the playability of the game and the uniqueness of the characters if the ranks aren't culled at some point in a series' lifespan.

I suppose what I'm getting at is that KoF was getting crufty.

Finally, just shut the hell up about the super moves. SFII didn't have supers and it was effing rad.

the7k

@ livestatic
That's just the thing though - people don't care about balance or gameplay. They want flash. They want extras. They want a ton of characters, even though only 5 or 6 of those characters will actually be useful while the rest of the cast is just for show. Sure, I would have loved to have seen a lot of other characters in here (especially Kula), but I can make due, and I'd rather my favorite characters not be present than they be present but completely useless. (See Marvel vs Capcom 2)

I think any real fighting game fans can appreciate KOFXII for what it is - a game where victory or defeat is based solely on the players, not the characters they choose. All the people who complain about characters like Terry no longer having his Power Dunk seem to not realize that the Power Dunk made Terry an absolutely broken character. Something needed to be done about it.

As for people complaining about lack of specials/supers - Clark only has two specials and one super. Hasn't held me back at all.

Randolph

Tiers only come into account at rather high level tournament play, that's the reason Clark doesn't hold you back online, and it's the reason bottom tier characters are used effectively in SF4. Cammy is rather low on the tier, yet their was a fantastic Cammy player that went far and turned heads at Evo this past year. Cammy is powerful online, and I've seen Youtube videos of Vega (Claw) and Rose players beating the holy hell out of Sagat and Ryu players.

Hell, I've seen Dan players dominating on Youtube. The players using the character still has as much to do with who wins as it does in KOF12. KOF12 has tight gameplay and that's an established fact. What it doesn't have is any freaking content. SF4 and BlazBlue has tight gameplay AND content, not to mention fleshed out online mode. This isn't a Neo Geo fighting game here, the standards are different. The complaints about KOF12 are legit, (it's half a game and a rip off at it's launch price) and only the worst kind of fanboys will refuse to recognize that.

free touch

Randolph. He only used Cammy once.

I have no clue why you guys are bitch about making a Garou 2, considering I'm the only person on Live that bought Mark of the Wolves.

taiki

I bought Garou: MotW for Dreamcast and MVS. No way I'm buying it again.

as of late, tiering and balance hasn't been as important as it used to be. We're not talking about Marvel 2 levels of game brokenness between low tier and top tier.

That being said, KOFXII is very much a roll back to what KOF 94 and 95 were like.

Magnalon

What taiki said.

It's not really the fact that it's bare-bones (that only really concerns casuals), it's that it doesn't do anything new.

I didn't want to hold onto a $60 game because it looked pretty, and had "solid" mechanics that every other KOF game had. I'll just play every other KOF, and graphics aside, I personally enjoy the art design/character designs for Blazblue/Guilty Gear much more. No story in KOF XII, while non-important to most really just helped make all the character seem flat, and uninspired: I couldn't really "get into" the characters anymore.

RAB

Freetouch, Sanford Kelly is one of the most consistent Cammy players in the country, dude. He made that incredible showing at EVO, and he's BEEN using her alot in a bunch tournaments that have been streamed, along with using her to destroy Peter "Combofiend" Rosas at the recent StreetFighter Barfights 5v5.

Believe me dude, PLENTY of people use console characters, and "low tier" characters. They're only low tier because you have to work to make them useful, but when you put in that work they're just as viable as the higher tier characters. There isn't a single character in SF4 that is completely useless.

Rabite

So... when is KoF98UM getting fixed? Or SS2? Or...?

the7k

@ Magnalon
Well, I guess you have a point that it doesn't really do anything new. Still, I found Clark a lot more usable than Dan and Bang (which was a shame, because I loved both Dan and Bang), which is something I really value.

@ Randolph
I won't refute that the game is "light" on content. I'm just saying that, for me, I couldn't care less. SF4 has a ton of challenges and endings. BlazBlue has a very complex story and a hard-as-nails survival mode. However, those don't really matter to me. All that matters to me is the versus. For me, KOFXII did it better than BlazBlue and SF4, simply because I could pick and character and not have to be tremendously better than the people who only pick the broken as hell characters. Different strokes for different folks.

As for low-tiers being just as usable as high-tiers, I'd still say that a person has to have a tremendous amount of skill over their opponents in most fighting games to do that. What's going to happen when you fight someone who is just as good as you are with Dan, except with Sagat?

I just pick the characters I like - the ones that appeal to me through their design or their personality. That's what makes it all the more annoying when I realize that the character I choose is the character I have to spend ages mastering, while everybody else got the character who can be used within seconds.

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