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Kitase: FFVII remake would be too different or too samey photo

Final Fantasy XIII-2 producer Yoshinori Kitase has addressed the never-ending debate about a Final Fantasy VII remake, stating that he'd be too tempted to make huge changes to the game. He acknowledged, however, that such a thing could anger devoted fans, leading to a lose/lose situation. 

"I would be really tempted to delete things and add new elements, new systems or whatever because if we were to make exactly the same thing now, it’d be like a repeat," he explained. "... So I’d be really interested in rearranging games or reshaping games into something slightly different even though it’s supposed to be the same game. But if we did that, the fans might be disappointed or ‘this is not what I was expecting’ so in that sense maybe some might say that it’s better to let memory be memory.

"... Those slightly negative features and bits, for some of the really enthusiastic fans of these titles, that gives the game extra flavor or personality or whatever. So maybe they would rather we didn’t do anything about it and we just leave it in as it is. It’s very difficult to decide what we should we keep in and what we should take out."

Fancy that, a Square Enix employee who wants to leave something the way it is! I actually really do love Kitase's attitude here, especially as I think FFVII really shouldn't be remade. Squenix did a bad enough job with all the prequels and extra crap. Let's just leave it alone. 

"If I remade Final Fantasy VII, I'd be tempted to delete things" [OXM]








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Volothos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:18
Volothos
I fear there will be retcons up the ass...
Evil Champ's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:18
Evil Champ
Things I own of FF 7 - Two black labels, complete (got one for $12!) a limited edition figurine of Cloud on his motorcycle, really awesome. And the blu ray movie.

NO REMAKE! MAKE EVERYONE PAY BY BUYING THE PS1 classic! Retro Gamers Unite! loool
KenAkuma's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:21
KenAkuma
I guess some would say FF7's rpg mechanics are dated by todays standards and need a revamp but I personally wouldn't mind a remake much like OoT3DS with the same gameplay but updated graphics!

sounds like a good vita or psn title.
seamonkey420's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:26
seamonkey420
i think its funny that the FF VII remake would have been done by now if Square-Enix would have started making it after our endless requests back in the early PS3 days. i bet it would sell better than any of their current RPGs. FFXIII-X2?? yea, no thanks.

plus, all they have to do w/FFVII is to just make it prettier. thats all we want. :)
Football Religion's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:26
Football Religion
The only problem would be the mechanics.
Zyk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:26
Zyk
I didn't really play FFVII when it first came out but when it came out on the PlayStation Network I did play abit of it, and with it being on the PSN I dont think you really need to remake it. But I guess if they did what they did with Halo: CE Anniversary and left all the story and gameplay the same but just made it look better I see no harm in that. The main problem I see with it is if they decide to release it on XBOX there would be alot of Sony fanboy backlash like with the release of FFXIII
Space Moose's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:27
Space Moose
I wouldn't mind a remake. I never got around to playing the original and it hasn't aged well at all graphic wise.
Space Moose's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:28
Space Moose
I wouldn't mind a remake. I never got around to playing the original and it hasn't aged well at all graphic wise.
Jinxed Havoc's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:28
Jinxed Havoc
I don't see them doing a remake but I do see them making sequels/more prequel nonsense.

They'll milk it.
N7's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:30
N7
I hope they finally announce a remake... For the PS Vita trololol
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:34
OneRed
Frankly, I'm among the few people who don't think that something being outdated is an indictment against it. I'd love to play a new game using FF7's ATB system, I loved that shit.

As much as I love FF7, Crisis Core was the only subsequent FF7 game that I liked, and Advent Children stands as one of the greatest disappointments of my entertainment life. DoC was even worse, somehow.
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:36
AceFlibble
I'm with 'im here. Remaking VII wouldn't go well for Square no matter how they did it. It's too sacred to too many people. If you changed, added or removed anything at all, lots of people would complain. But just re-releasing the game as is would be pointless, obviously. So they're fucked. The screaming VII fans will never be happy because they don't really know what they want. Update the visuals and they'll say they updated them in the wrong way. Add voices and they'll say the voices are wrong. Improve the sound quality of the score and they'll say it's taken away the charm. Even if they just fixed some of the glitches people would then complain abotu not being able to abuse certain bugs.
mxdirector's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:37
mxdirector
I remember I spoke about this a while ago, as I am sure you are all well aware of.
It's an impossible thing to remake. But here's what you can do. make a HD version with updated cg cutscenes, perhaps experiment with putting in new ideas, I stress that these things should be optional, and how about playing around with dlc, I think people would pay to have sepiroth on their team.

And there you go, you will get a few million from that, and every one's happy. Sadly this common sense isn't present at square enix.
LSD89's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:38
LSD89
So the ff7 remake isn't going to happen because of people wanting the ff7 remake to happen.
PrinceHeir's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:40
PrinceHeir
i think the reason they're afraid is because they have to incorporate elements from the new games like Dirge Of Cerberus and Crisis Core FFVII as well as Advent Children and Before Crisis.

particularly putting more Zack's Flashback, more Vincent Valentine scenes and relationship with Lucrecia, other members that had escape the Before Crisis incident, Genesis appearance(well they could just add files and some scenes same with Angeal)

all in all they HAVE to connect all these in the Remake if they plan to.

otherwise the sequels they made would have been for nothing.
LeSneeze's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:42
LeSneeze
I don't understand why they don't re-release it with a few clean-up changes and a new coat of paint. They did it with the DS re-releases of 1-4, why not 7? I'd buy it.
Verol's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:44
Verol
Why keep things the same? The "fans" are going to hate it either way and some parts of the game can be improved on.

One of the main reasons I haven't beaten the game since 1997 is the talking scenes, there has to be a better way to tell Cloud's back story than those lengthy unskippable segments.
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:47
lastdual
Don't buy Kitase's BS.

No one complains about "too samey" in a REMAKE. That's exactly what fans want. Update the visuals and keep the gameplay exactly the same (maybe minus the fixed camera angles). It's not like Square hasn't done the same thing plenty of times in the past.

Heck, look at the DS remakes of FFIII and IV. Do that with FFXIII graphics = profit.

The problem here is that it reveals what Kitase *really* wants to do is totally re-engineer FFVII into some horrible new game with a famous nostalgic name slapped on it. That's what his complaint boils down to. He knows that there would be a backlash to his evil machinations, and so he's moaning about it in advance.
doomknight66's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:48
doomknight66
who cares bout 7, wheres my 5 and 6 re-make already
Dancing Mad's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:52
Dancing Mad
Good, focus on the 3ds FF6 remake instead.
IronicallyMaiden's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:53
IronicallyMaiden
I love FFVII just the way it is and a remake could end up tarnishing the memories of one of my favourite games. Especially with the obligatory voice acting, part of the charm of the older RPGs was voicing the characters in your own head.
Wrath and Pride's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:56
Wrath and Pride
Make the game pretty, and that's it, and I'll buy it. Maybe add some tweaks, but minor to the point that nobody would really bitch about them even if their bad. Also maybe add the voice cast from advent children, say what you want about the movie, but I thought the cast fitted the game cast pretty well. Also..

"Squenix did a bad enough job with all the prequels and extra crap. Let's just leave it alone. "

Let's break it down, crisis core is a great game, if anything for all the nitpickers, it was great fan service for FF VII fans. As for before crisis no one in the states has played it so nobody should even comment on it unless it contains "bring this over here". Dirge of Cerberus has a failed combat system, but Vincents story is an entertaining one to say the least. And last but not least, advent children, which just made Cloud more "emo" than he needed to be, but provided some great action sequences and well a continuation to the story, and in my book I'm grateful for the later part, because I love the universe of VII.

Overall, just like Halo (prior to Halo 4, 5, 6 announcement), people blow the whole "cash cow" thing out of proportion.
FrankYorkMorgan's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 17:57
FrankYorkMorgan
I'm starting to lose faith in remakes, no matter how awesome the original games were, I'm feeling remakes are becoming unnecesary.
jazzpanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:03
jazzpanda
They could go the SSF2THDremix route.. Rework textures and graphics but keep the game exactly the same with only minor tweaks to balance or whatever. I think that would be the only way to satisfy everyone.
CaimDark's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:03
CaimDark
I want more Final Fantasy VII. If it's too expensive to remake it on a PS3 then do it on Vita, PSP, 3DS, Wii, whatever. Just gimme more Final Fantasy VII!
jazzpanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:05
jazzpanda
Also, with FFvii's battle system there's no reason they couldn't keep the same game while redoing polygon models for characters etc along with other graphics.
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:07
TurboKill
All I needed to read was the headline to think, "Hm, he's got a good point."

And who needs a remake when you have a re-release? If you don't like the game enough to get past the dated graphics (Which I've always fine with anyways.), I wish you the best of luck with a remake. Plus it's always been hip to hate on remakes, so you wouldn't even be able to express you liked the remake anyways, without loosing some hip cred anyways.
Matt Edwards's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:08
Matt Edwards
Don't see what was so bad about Crisis Core. Dirge of Cerberus; Yes
CaimDark's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:08
CaimDark
Oh, and a fully-voiced FFVII remake with XIII's battle system? Man, I'd pay extra for that (shhh, don't tell Square!).
CaimDark's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:10
CaimDark
@Matt

I know what was bad about Crisis Core: absolutely nothing! :P
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:11
KingSigy
There would be nothing wrong with leaving it alone and simply updating the graphics, a feat which they are doing for Final Fantasy X. Still, do we even want a remake at this point? The game is fine the way it is.
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:13
TurboKill
I need some sleep. My last post was rather painful to read...
My general point stands however.

@Jazzpanda

They could, and personally that's how I would like it too. But, from this article he seems to think "What's the point?" if it's still the same as the original. Either that or he doesn't trust himself to only update the graphics.
PrinceHeir's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:16
PrinceHeir
i forgot the one game that they really needed a Remake.

and that's FFVIII.

not only i want to see the game in FFFXIII graphics but they could improve the combat system by either scrapping it and turning it into a traditional FF game.

or imporve it even more by adding more options and removing the draw tactic.

plus who doesn't want to see Squall Lionheart move in HD O____O
Ralazar's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:17
Ralazar
I'd be in favor of making a lot of changes. I really liked the game, but the battle systems of most FF games are sooo dated. It was easy enough getting through most areas just 'Attacking' over and over again to save up magic for the bosses, and half the spells were worthless (mainly the status ailments)

Give me a well designed battle system like Persona 4.
AllenR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:17
AllenR
So it's okay to remake Final Fantasy IV as the almost exact same thing like 80 times, but to do it to VII is a bad idea?
Karavision's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:20
Karavision
Final Fantasy is like Christmas...

It was magical when I was a kid, awesome when I was a teenager and now as an adult, I can see that it is no longer for me. I am sure that it is Magical for a lot of people out there but 12 and 13 had absolutely no appeal to me and it is no surprise hearing someone from those development teams stating that they have no interest in FF7.

He'd much rather make games that play themselves and require minimal input from the controller. Oh well, I am having a good time with all of the JRPGS that I ignored back when I was busy with all awesome square titles.

In short, If people are enjoying square's glorified DVD menus, fuck it, they are not the only game in town.
trunxkam45's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:24
trunxkam45
Square Enix is a bunch of morons. All people want are updated visuals and maybe a cleaned up script. Everything else can pretty much stay the same. Look at how many times they've released FF 1, 2, 4, and 5. They all sold pretty well and they will never stop with those. They've milked the series for all its worth in terms of spinoffs and other retarded rat shit. So when fans actually ask for something they won't deliver? Fuck you, Square Enix.
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:26
TurboKill
@Prince Heir

I wouldn't mind that. Loved that game, though I see it's flaws. All I ever did was spam summons by the time I reached the 4th disc. The battle system could use some tweaking.
CaimDark's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:26
CaimDark
Man, it looks like Dtoid and the audience decided today is "buzz term" day. "un-game", "un-space", "glorified patch", "glorified DVD menu"... I have to come up with some cool buzz word as well so I can hang out with the cool kids!
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:27
Handy
Since when is SquareEnix afraid of fucking up? From a pure business standpoint I can’t understand why they don’t just go ahead and do it, there’s no way they wouldn’t make a ton of money.
yanipheonu's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:31
yanipheonu
Take ffvii, update the character models and backgrounds. Full stop. That game's graphics have not aged well, and deserve at least that much.
MuddBstrd's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:32
MuddBstrd
I wouldn't mind if he deleted the game's rather glaring plot holes...
Stinky's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:34
Stinky
It would be one of the most pointless remakes ever. I played the game when it came out and frankly it was cliched and boring from the viewpoint of an experienced RPG player. Those with nostalgia-goggles on probably were kids when it came out; with the PS1 being their first system. And most who would be inclined to demand a remake have already played it, thus ruining the only impetus to play through it.
Dr-Peace's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:46
Dr-Peace
NO FUCKING REMAKE.

LEAVE CLOUD ALONE.

NO FUCKING REMAKE.

THEY WILL RUIN IT.

NO FUCKING REMAKE.

THE GAME IS ON PSN, IT IS BEYOND FINE. THE BACKGROUNDS ARE PRE-RENDERED AND STILL BEAUTIFUL.

NO FUCKING REMAKE.

THE TALENT THAT MADE FF7 IS LONG GONE.

NO FUCKING REMAKE.



This topic is so constantly annoying... and I hope I am making myself perfectly clear.

Anybody who even poses the question of whether FF7 should be remade when even Kitase says it's not a good idea... is insane. They have damaged FF7 enough by now.

They also tried to basically replicate FF7 as much as possible with FF13, the opening section basically had all of the elements of FF7's bombing run. Think of FF13 as a new age FF7.

The only thing they should do with FF7 is basically rob its 'Materia System' for their new games, that combat/customization system is boss and far superior to the automated silliness they peddle now.
Jawmuncher's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:52
Jawmuncher
Equal Ground

Do a HD Remake ala Halo anniversary
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 18:55
ArrestedDeveloper
That game would need a scrubbing. I gave it a shot a few years ago and without nostalgia it's just an ugly mess.
jargy1's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 19:03
jargy1
The only remake I'd be interested in would be strictly graphics and it'd have to heavily involve Sakaguchi. Same music, not rerecorded, same gameplay, same battle system. Make it widescreen, make it pretty. No free flow camera, no different angles. Shot for shot identical. It's not what most want so fuck it. Anything beyond graphical touch ups (even those if they add things, which they'd have to since truly each scene is kind of sparse) would stain my memory.

Then again I don't see the need for a remake. It holds up as well as any game from that period, which is better than SNES or NES despite the hipster move towards supposed retro. I still love booting up FF 7 or 9 and enjoying myself. They aren't supposed to keep up with modern design because they aren't modern. 13 sucked hard. If that's any indication of what a remake would be, get fucked. Even Versus is looking like garbage. Everyone is hyped for that when they've released what, 2 trailers? I can promise the world too, doesn't mean I can give it.
Starman's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 19:09
Starman
Yes. Exactly what jargy1 said.
Outrider42's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 19:30
Outrider42
Why is it so fucking hard to remake the game with new visuals without changing anything else? I really do not understand why this is even such a big deal. That's all people have been asking for for 15 years. There are kids getting their driver's permits today who were born after FF7 was released!

I don't think the battle system is that outdated. They have tried so many different systems over the years that quite frankly the active time battles would be a huge breath of fresh air.

More over, many FF games have been re-released on different systems already. Each game 1-6 has been redone endlessly. The big draw to these remakes? NEW FUCKING GRAPHICS. So don't give me this bullshit that they can't remake 7 and up the same way.
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/28/2011 19:33
BoomingEchoes
Yet another excuse that also plugs into one of Squares other big problems: Not being able to leave well enough alone.

Even if he's saying he doesn't want to remake it because he wants to leave it alone, its the fact that he's saying that he wants to leave it alone because he couldn't approach it without changing things other then the graphics that becomes the glaring problem I'm talking about.

The whole project -if it ever were to become a project- would surely be stopped and started multiple times over the course of development because they'd come across something rather stupid and small that needs -for whatever oddball reason- months devoted to them deciding if they should change it or keep it. But this guy's statement itself makes it clear enough what they should do: Leave it in because people will bitch if its changed. And its really as simple as that.

It'd be like Lucas messing with Star Wars -Theres no reason to fuck with it, but yet there he is adding in Ewok blinks.
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