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@Jim
I'm glad you continue to stick to that philosophy. I wish more people would understand it.
That said, the industry should be glad I'm not a reviewer. I would deliberately review used games exclusively and refuse to acknowledge the concept of online passes. I would thus be reviewing a damaged/crippled version and the final score would surely suffer as a result.
Because fuck them.
I'm glad you continue to stick to that philosophy. I wish more people would understand it.
That said, the industry should be glad I'm not a reviewer. I would deliberately review used games exclusively and refuse to acknowledge the concept of online passes. I would thus be reviewing a damaged/crippled version and the final score would surely suffer as a result.
Because fuck them.
Sadly this is another game I was mildly looking forward to I am now gonna pass on. I have no interest in supporting this online pass BS. Some of us dont have our systems set up online and dont want to either. To keep content from us cause you're worried about used sales is like not being able to sell your car because for some reason you have to buy a new set of seats for every owner. Screw it. I wont support it.
Well I'm glad that EA made up my mind to not buy this game. Fuck Online Passes, I refuse to buy games with them!
Big publishers like EA that seem to do little more than buy up developers squeeze a few games out of them, hobble them with DRM and cut content DLC.... then liquidate the studio.... really just need to die in a fire.
What we need are nimble independent developers that actually give a shit about the games they release, not big publishers who for the most part probably don't play games, probably don't like games and likely see them as little more than a cash cow investment.
And that year after year of self purported "record sales" don't seem sufficient to appease.
In any case looks like EA as usual which means another year of buying indie games instead of EA titles .... oh well :P
What we need are nimble independent developers that actually give a shit about the games they release, not big publishers who for the most part probably don't play games, probably don't like games and likely see them as little more than a cash cow investment.
And that year after year of self purported "record sales" don't seem sufficient to appease.
In any case looks like EA as usual which means another year of buying indie games instead of EA titles .... oh well :P
Online passes are like the least offensive thing going on right now. OH NOES I HAEV TO ENTAR A CODE
I mean, yeah, companies sometimes do really dumb shit -with- the online passes. Like having them expire, or having weird rules about when you can use them, etc. However, when that happens, bitch about the God damn dumb shit. Online passes in general aren't the tragedy you all make it out to be, and we need to focus our minimal influence on changing the aspects of it that are problematic.
I mean, yeah, companies sometimes do really dumb shit -with- the online passes. Like having them expire, or having weird rules about when you can use them, etc. However, when that happens, bitch about the God damn dumb shit. Online passes in general aren't the tragedy you all make it out to be, and we need to focus our minimal influence on changing the aspects of it that are problematic.
I work at a game store (whose name I shall not say) and we get about $10 off all of our purchases. So whenever we buy new games that have an online pass we put them in used copies of the games and if we really want to we buy the pass online (though I've only done that for Battlefield 3).
I'm with Free Touch and. This generation has taught me to be more patient than ever and to enjoy what I have because new does not equal better.
As a hardcore PS2 gamer, I'll just continue to enjoy that system. I still have a few hundred games I still need to buy for the thing anyway.
I also want to buy another PS1 and rebuild my PS1 library, so I'll just the use the money I would have used to buy games like this before online passes were put in and use on those classic games instead.
As a hardcore PS2 gamer, I'll just continue to enjoy that system. I still have a few hundred games I still need to buy for the thing anyway.
I also want to buy another PS1 and rebuild my PS1 library, so I'll just the use the money I would have used to buy games like this before online passes were put in and use on those classic games instead.
Un-fucking-believable. Well, a friend of mine says he's gonna buy it. So I may or may not just borrow it from him someday. There is no way I support this bullshit.
I really enjoyed the demo and I dont mind the online pass too much, but I suddenly dont want to buy this game.
I look forward to your review Jim, it mit help me decide
I look forward to your review Jim, it mit help me decide
So great, now developers and publishers are not only fucking over people that want to play online multiplayer modes, they're even fucking over people who just play offline sinle player too. Well done. That's actually impressive. It actually takes a great deal of morbid genius to come up with bullshit like this.
See, this is where I'm conflicted. Because I like good games. Kingdoms of Amalur is a good game and I'd like to support the developers. But I cannot support online passes. If people keep buying games with online passes, this will never stop.
Screw it. I'll buy it used and then buy some kinda art book. I can't support online passes.
Screw it. I'll buy it used and then buy some kinda art book. I can't support online passes.
U guys make me sick, its obvious you like to earn money on reselling games, if you dont like online pass. I dont give a shit if I see this in my copy of the game, never have any problem with online pass, so why the hell u cancel pre order or u dicline buying games if this game will be a great if not best game in 2012? So sad.
Yes I know some of you are bored so much and u decide to sell games but who cares? not me sorry.
If online pass causing problems when I start game fuck it, but in other case I don't care
Yes I know some of you are bored so much and u decide to sell games but who cares? not me sorry.
If online pass causing problems when I start game fuck it, but in other case I don't care
You could always vote with your wallet and refuse to buy games that have online pass bullshit.
...but then, because Kingdoms of Amalur didn't sell 10 billion copies, the dev team is immediately fired and EA continues to put online passes in their games. Vicious cycle.
...but then, because Kingdoms of Amalur didn't sell 10 billion copies, the dev team is immediately fired and EA continues to put online passes in their games. Vicious cycle.
@Cr4zyN3ss
can't tell if troll or serious.
But a real simple reply to that is people with principles who aren't going to put up with this inch and mile shit.
Also in before online passes start causing you trouble and you start to care but its too damn late to do anything about it because its now an indelible standard. The time for taking a stand on issues is generally when they are small and manageable not when they are corpulent and untenable. The problem there tho is often people find it easy to complacently accept a small inconvenience, ignoring obvious and impending ramifications looming just over the horizon.
tl:dr
If u don't want it to get to the point where online pass causing u game problems, u should care now not later.
can't tell if troll or serious.
But a real simple reply to that is people with principles who aren't going to put up with this inch and mile shit.
Also in before online passes start causing you trouble and you start to care but its too damn late to do anything about it because its now an indelible standard. The time for taking a stand on issues is generally when they are small and manageable not when they are corpulent and untenable. The problem there tho is often people find it easy to complacently accept a small inconvenience, ignoring obvious and impending ramifications looming just over the horizon.
tl:dr
If u don't want it to get to the point where online pass causing u game problems, u should care now not later.
You remember a time when people said that online passes weren't a big deal, because they don't play the multiplayer? Remember when people said publishers weren't ever going to do this to single player, and you since you have to go online for multiplayer anyways so what's the big deal?
Yeah, well you all can suck a shit. Welcome to the brave new world.
Yeah, well you all can suck a shit. Welcome to the brave new world.
This might be a fun game...but there are a lot of fun games I still need to play that don't screw over the consumer like this. So I will choose to play one of those other games instead of this game.
@DF
And the moral of that story is don't work for developers owned by EA. It is a sad cycle but they knew what they were getting into working for a company with that sort of track record.
And the moral of that story is don't work for developers owned by EA. It is a sad cycle but they knew what they were getting into working for a company with that sort of track record.
Wow. Really?
After playing the demo I had already decided I wasn't going to pick this up right away. However, I may just skip it altogether just on principle.
After playing the demo I had already decided I wasn't going to pick this up right away. However, I may just skip it altogether just on principle.
IDK, I think EA is right on the money here. I played the demo of KoA and it doesn't appear to be worth buying, let alone keeping.
How do you review the full game when you can't access the content hidden behind the pass because the game isn't released yet?
To me it says that EA wants to make money not only off the first purchase of a physical copy, but off of every re-purchase afterwards. I can't blame them for wanting to make money, sure, but i think that this avenue of revenue is a little crappy - for instance, if i bought this game, loved the hell out of it for 100+ hours, and then wanted to resell it, i bet i wouldn't get the average price for the resale, because it's basically been surgically cut of a portion of the game (which the second, savvy purchaser or even Gamestop will notice and adjust price for).
Therefore, it's like you never even owned part of the game you supposedly purchase, it's like you have a right to rent a part of it for free once you buy it new. An odd sort of realization for me.
Therefore, it's like you never even owned part of the game you supposedly purchase, it's like you have a right to rent a part of it for free once you buy it new. An odd sort of realization for me.
*sigh* I'm not even surprised at EA's bullshit anymore. The game looks alright, but this has convinced me to wait until it hits bargain bucket price before buying. If I have to get a game with an online pass I don't see why I should have to pay full price for it.
Damn, I was really hoping to buy this one New on launch, now I will have to wait an extra week and buy it used. Can't support any publisher that used an online pass. Oh well, I'll have the Jak & Daxter Collection to keep me busy.
I think the majority of people cancelling their pre-order based on this are more turned off by the principle that EA can do whatever the fuck it feels like and not really give a shit about it's customer base as long as they are giving them money.
So to some it's not that the game itself is ruined, it's that people are sick of essentially being forced down these paths to get to something they want, when they have no logical reason of being there other than PROFIT.
Maybe we wouldn't see this so much if their was direct sales from publisher to consumer, and retailers didn't need to slip their hand into the equation.
So to some it's not that the game itself is ruined, it's that people are sick of essentially being forced down these paths to get to something they want, when they have no logical reason of being there other than PROFIT.
Maybe we wouldn't see this so much if their was direct sales from publisher to consumer, and retailers didn't need to slip their hand into the equation.
I wonder what will make some of you change your mind about EA's online pass. Maybe they should send an EA representative to every Gamestop and have them kick your nutsack every time you try to buy a new EA game, double the kicks if the EA game is used.
If I had written a college paper and left out several paragraphs, I'm pretty sure it would have cost me a few points. Just sayin'.
I don't get why people are trashing the game. Going off of the demo, the graphics were colorful and enjoyable; gameplay was quick and snappy; deeper RPG mechanics work well. Bash EA and all, but the game seems good at least.
@Sir Legendhead
It depends on how you look at it. You're making the assumption that a college paper (or a video game) starts at 100% out of the gate and "loses" points for any flaws.
However, Destructoid's method of scoring games (which I agree with) is more like games start at 0% and have to earn points. Jim doesn't "dock" points because the points weren't there to begin with. He gives points instead of taking them away.
It depends on how you look at it. You're making the assumption that a college paper (or a video game) starts at 100% out of the gate and "loses" points for any flaws.
However, Destructoid's method of scoring games (which I agree with) is more like games start at 0% and have to earn points. Jim doesn't "dock" points because the points weren't there to begin with. He gives points instead of taking them away.
They could just make a good game, like Skyrim, and have so much content that you would have to be stupid to sell it.
And what do they care anyway? You could buy it and use the fucking box as a paper weight, and they still get their money. This is really just an attempt to crush used game sales. If people don't sell games, people can't get games used. Maybe if publishers just cut prices quicker, or made it easier to buy new games cheap, then people would be more likely to buy them new.
And what do they care anyway? You could buy it and use the fucking box as a paper weight, and they still get their money. This is really just an attempt to crush used game sales. If people don't sell games, people can't get games used. Maybe if publishers just cut prices quicker, or made it easier to buy new games cheap, then people would be more likely to buy them new.
Wasnt going to get this anyway because the demo was SO incredibly uninspired and boring. I can't imagine a whole game of that sort of non-creativity. The online pass just feeds my disgust of EA that started with Origin.
This is utter bullshit. I can't wait until the long term effects of this online pass bullshit start rearing their ugly heads and then even the corporate white knights get annoyed as soon as something happens that affects them.
@VoltySquirrel
"I hate online passes as much as the next guy, but docking two points from a game simply because a publisher demanded an online pass is simply a dick move. "
Yeah, it is. Should be at least 5-8 off.
"I hate online passes as much as the next guy, but docking two points from a game simply because a publisher demanded an online pass is simply a dick move. "
Yeah, it is. Should be at least 5-8 off.
@ flintmech - Yeah, I caught that the first time when Jim said it. Not trying to say how he should do his job or anything. It just seems weird to make someone review an incomplete product.
But eh, those parts probably aren't a big deal anyway. I hope not at least. It would be really short-sighted for publishers to start locking out the best parts.
But eh, those parts probably aren't a big deal anyway. I hope not at least. It would be really short-sighted for publishers to start locking out the best parts.
Hate to break it to everyone. But this shit isn't going away, and online passes are here to stay. I'm neutral to the online pass because it doesn't affect me. But whether you like it or not your boycotting won't do shit except deprive you of a potentially amazing game.
"I hate online passes as much as the next guy, but docking two points from a game simply because a publisher demanded an online pass is simply a dick move. "
So is including an online pass for a game that doesn't have online gameplay.
So is including an online pass for a game that doesn't have online gameplay.
I was so hyped about this game, but then I played the demo ... not so much. I also took an arrow to the knee.
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