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i hate scaling levels, it makes me feel like im not even getting stronger(stupid borderlands), i want to be able to go back and crush lower foes with ease once im powered up. hopefully this is a nice fix for it.
fight goblin early on, can be a tough battle at level 1.
come back later at higher level 20. destroy goblins face with awesome powers.
i assume you go in a spot at level 5 the area scales from its lowest level to yours, so that area could be a level 10-15 area. and locks in at 10. but go in at 11 or so, then its scales to you?
fight goblin early on, can be a tough battle at level 1.
come back later at higher level 20. destroy goblins face with awesome powers.
i assume you go in a spot at level 5 the area scales from its lowest level to yours, so that area could be a level 10-15 area. and locks in at 10. but go in at 11 or so, then its scales to you?
Yes. This type of AI for enemies should be used for Torchlight 2, Borderlands 2 & Diablo 3. Makes it more challenging.
So hype for this game!
So hype for this game!
Most exciting game nobody knows about. With all the Dark Souls I'm playing and Kingdoms coming out soon, I think I may just have to skip Skyrim.
It is pretty much what everyone did *before* everyone jumped onto the scaling levels bandwagon, except with some restrained scaling present.
I've been trying to get hyped for this game but I just can't. Which is pretty crazy for me seeing how I'm an RPG whore. Something about this game just seems so boring and generic. Maybe it's the crap trailers? I still would like to try it out.
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I wholeheartedly agree. This is why I couldn't stand to play Oblivion. And in Borderlands they don't scale all the time, just as you progress, then they scale according to the level you are at that time. If you go back to the beginning (Fyrestone, to be specific) of the game as a level 30 or so you'll see the enemies there are about level 10 or lower. They only scale to a point, then there's some sort of max level they can reach for scaling and you can surpass them. But it fucked me over in the Underdome.
I wholeheartedly agree. This is why I couldn't stand to play Oblivion. And in Borderlands they don't scale all the time, just as you progress, then they scale according to the level you are at that time. If you go back to the beginning (Fyrestone, to be specific) of the game as a level 30 or so you'll see the enemies there are about level 10 or lower. They only scale to a point, then there's some sort of max level they can reach for scaling and you can surpass them. But it fucked me over in the Underdome.
Just make sure skyrim isn't as broken as oblivion and I'll be happy. So mad when I restarted oblivion multiple times because it would take me an hour to kill a single scamp.
I hate scaling, except unless if it's based on the number of players to increase difficulty.. But never based on player level.
I like this. It seems to be a good middle-ground. Because RPG's with no scaling at all need to be designed in such a way that they don't become too easy if you decide to power-level. While RPG's with full-on scaling often don't make you feel powerful enough, which adds a sense of meaningless to your progress.
Dynamically scaling levels with a hard cap-point seems to be an interesting solution.
Dynamically scaling levels with a hard cap-point seems to be an interesting solution.
"Kingdoms of Amalur doesn't scale foes...
...The game still scales enemy levels to a point..."
Misleading title much?
...The game still scales enemy levels to a point..."
Misleading title much?
Fallout 3 got it spot on in my humble opinion... hopefully skyrim and any other open world rpg to come out in the future is similar to that.
This sounds a little different though. Sounds more like MMO style level system... but instead of needing to get yourself to lvl** before you can fight properly in an area... the area scales down or up to whatever level you are at. Could work.
This sounds a little different though. Sounds more like MMO style level system... but instead of needing to get yourself to lvl** before you can fight properly in an area... the area scales down or up to whatever level you are at. Could work.
So, let me get this straight. In Kingdom of Amalur, when you first fight enemies, they are an even match. Then a few levels later when you are fighting the same enemies in another zone, they are still an even match. Very cool.
@B-Radicate and Cupcake
I simply meant that it doesn't scale in the traditional sense. I apologize for working with headline character limits. I'm sure it could've been rephrased somehow, but that's what I came up with... my apologies, really.
I simply meant that it doesn't scale in the traditional sense. I apologize for working with headline character limits. I'm sure it could've been rephrased somehow, but that's what I came up with... my apologies, really.
Fearzone: No it means that the enemies scale within a certain level range, depending on your own level. For example, your character is level 15 and the particular enemies in the area have a level range from 18-24. When you go into the area the enemies will scale to the lowest possible level within their range because your level is lower than that. So they are all level 18.
As you progress to level 18 and above the enemies in the area will scale along, so if you are level 21 those enemies will be level 21 as well.
So you go on and slaughter some more until you reached level 26. Now the enemies will be level 24, not 26. Why? Because lvl24 is the maximum level in the range they have been given so they don't scale any further than that.
As far as I can tell enemies just don't have a specific level. Only a certain level range in which they are allowed to scale along with the player.
As you progress to level 18 and above the enemies in the area will scale along, so if you are level 21 those enemies will be level 21 as well.
So you go on and slaughter some more until you reached level 26. Now the enemies will be level 24, not 26. Why? Because lvl24 is the maximum level in the range they have been given so they don't scale any further than that.
As far as I can tell enemies just don't have a specific level. Only a certain level range in which they are allowed to scale along with the player.
They basically are mixing area specific leveling and scaling. Personally, done right, I think that's the best option.
Forsakeneyes you might have that wrong, they dont scale once the levels a locked in. So in your example when you hit level 26 the enemies are still all level 18.
@Achromatis: Well so much for me acting all clever. Just read the full article and you are most certainly right about that.
“Enemies don’t level with you always – when you encounter them the first time, that’s the level they’re gonna be at for the rest of the game but we intelligently decide what that level is.”
That's not scaling. That's initial determination of levels from a narrow pool that remain static hence forth.
That's not scaling. That's initial determination of levels from a narrow pool that remain static hence forth.
Actually, Forsakeneyes is correct. If you read the next article, everything is explained. If a person at level 10 goes to a region with a monster range of 17-23, all the monsters will go down to level 17. However, if you're level 30 and go into that same region later on in the game, all the monsters will be at level 23. Make sense? I love this design! In my opinion, going back and crushing everything just because you can is half the fun!
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