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Yes the kinect commercials are horrible. But then again a good bit of the wii commercials I hated as well.
I played mine for the first time last night and I'd be lying if I said that I didn't have fun.
However, I don't see myself getting rid of all my controllers just yet. The Kinect works really well for certain things and not so great for others.
I am getting a lot of calls about it at work today. *gets back to work*
However, I don't see myself getting rid of all my controllers just yet. The Kinect works really well for certain things and not so great for others.
I am getting a lot of calls about it at work today. *gets back to work*
Too bad the only "game" that can be justified is Dance Central. Every Kinect commercial I have seen lately have all revolved aroud some kind of fitness game. Seriously? Fitness games? I think the kinect has 3 if I'm not mistaken. A microsoft published one, a EA fitness game and the biggest loser. That's not a good trend. Developer knew this thing was coming out and they couldn't plan something a lil, I don't know, more like an actual game. The games on release day seem like something that will keep you busy for a couple of hour, but no more than that. I will stick with the 360 controller until something that can justify this thing even gets announced
@hanowyoucantseeme
The 4.1 million figure is controllers sold and shipped because Sony counts units shipped as units sold.
Both sonys move and microsofts kinect appear to be quite successful which is the main thing.
The 4.1 million figure is controllers sold and shipped because Sony counts units shipped as units sold.
Both sonys move and microsofts kinect appear to be quite successful which is the main thing.
@bakewell: yeah that's true for a 150$ perhiperal I just don't think they made back all the money they spent to hype it.
@hanowyoucantseeme:
Sony has SHIPPED 4.1 to retailers. It hasn't sold anywhere near that. Sony also counts the wand and navigation controller as two separate units. So a pair of wands and navigation controllers for two people would actually be four units. It's a little ridiculous.
Sony has SHIPPED 4.1 to retailers. It hasn't sold anywhere near that. Sony also counts the wand and navigation controller as two separate units. So a pair of wands and navigation controllers for two people would actually be four units. It's a little ridiculous.
@ hanowyoucantseeme
Move has also been out far longer and was available immediately pretty much everywhere, Kinect just came out and had a delayed release overseas (Japan just got it last week or so). The point being that Kinect sold half the amount of units in a limited market as Move did in less than one month, compared to 3 months of Move being available in pretty much every market.
Move has also been out far longer and was available immediately pretty much everywhere, Kinect just came out and had a delayed release overseas (Japan just got it last week or so). The point being that Kinect sold half the amount of units in a limited market as Move did in less than one month, compared to 3 months of Move being available in pretty much every market.
@Bakewell
Microsoft also counts units shipped as sold as well. When they sell it to a retailer they make money and count it as "sold".
Both are doing quite well though, I'm actually surprised.
Microsoft also counts units shipped as sold as well. When they sell it to a retailer they make money and count it as "sold".
Both are doing quite well though, I'm actually surprised.
@hanowyoucantseeme... there are no figures for how the Move system has actually sold, but apparently they've shipped 4.2 million to retailers. Yeah, it was initiallty reported as "sales" but on further clarification it was just shipped figures.
@ palpablepalpatine I loved Falling Down. Maybe the scene where he has the RPG or where he goes to the burger place
@ elsa/ othe replies : Kotaku says it's actual sales and was just posted today. No mention of "shipped = sales"
Speaking of Burger King: how long until we get a kinect enabled Sneak King. That shit was the bomb, and now I want to hone my peeping tom skills in the real world.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the global distribution of these sales. I bet it's close to two million sold in the US and the remainder abroad.
Still, it's nothing to sniff at.
Still, it's nothing to sniff at.
That's because from Sony's POV the 4.2 million were sold to retailers. Those units are no longer part of Sony's inventory.
Sony also counts anything with a Move logo on the box as a seperate unit.
One guy buys 1 Move wand and 1 Nav unit = 2 move units sold.
One guy buys 1 Move wand and 1 Nav unit = 2 move units sold.
You'd think that would be a good time to post that image but no. They spent $500 on advertising so they are still haven't made more money yet
Ignoring the whole "shipped/sold" thing, Move launched 77 days ago and Kinect launched 25 days ago.
Kinect is selling 100,000 units a day. Move is only selling about 50,000 a day.
Kinect is selling 100,000 units a day. Move is only selling about 50,000 a day.
@sofik88
5 families buy 2 nunchucks.
Sony counts that as a sale of 10.
Each family buys 1 copy of a game.
Sony counts that as a sale of 1.
10 move units sold but only 5 games.
People aren't buying move without games, the number are skewed.
5 families buy 2 nunchucks.
Sony counts that as a sale of 10.
Each family buys 1 copy of a game.
Sony counts that as a sale of 1.
10 move units sold but only 5 games.
People aren't buying move without games, the number are skewed.
@Bakewell
Since some PSN games, MAG, and Heavy Rain (just off the top of my head) have been updated with Move support, people might actually be buying Move "without games" because they already have the games.
Since some PSN games, MAG, and Heavy Rain (just off the top of my head) have been updated with Move support, people might actually be buying Move "without games" because they already have the games.
@ awa64. Wow, nice breakdown. That is pretty crazy. If this continues it looks like Sony lost this battle..... I am in Move- not the tech-it is very reponsive, but I am already bored to tears w/ mine. the kinect is fun. I didn't think i would like it so much, and every game I own on it has a fun factor to it, I am excited to see some of these other japanese kinect games soon. Now if only sony will release a move game I can enjoy. Sports champions...blah... I hope it doesn't go the way the sixaxis did-never used-i feel like my money is just getting burned.
Still refuse to buy this. F***ing stupid casual gaming piece of crap.
Until the community comes out with some useful applications, that is.
Until the community comes out with some useful applications, that is.
And to put the Kinect vs Move argument out with a splash...Move is targeted at core gamers (thank god!), while Kinect is targeting soccer moms who want to buy something that can babysit their spoiled-rotten 5 year olds.
Naturally, Kinect will sell more.
Naturally, Kinect will sell more.
@Bakewell
What Time Glitch said isn't trolling, it's actually the truth. MS went completely out of their way to market the thing to soccer moms.
What Time Glitch said isn't trolling, it's actually the truth. MS went completely out of their way to market the thing to soccer moms.
"Move" sales are going to be just about impossible to track accurately, so there is really nothing wrong with the way Sony counts each SKU as a unit. Many people already have the EyeToy, and have no need of the bundle, so counting bundles sold would be inaccurate. Some people buy one wand, and others buy two. Some people have no need or desire for Sports Champions, so that also tells us very little. I'd guess that somewhere between a half and a third of those units are secondary controllers or navigation units, so the actual amount of people with an EyeToy+Controller (Move) is probably more like 2.5m to 3m.
That isn't bad, since Sony intends for Move to build momentum as more titles with Move support are released. It was never supposed to have a big launch, at least with regards to core-centric games. Those games have their own time-tables and release schedules, and rightfully so. Move is designed to work with high quality 3rd-party games, not the other way around.
That isn't bad, since Sony intends for Move to build momentum as more titles with Move support are released. It was never supposed to have a big launch, at least with regards to core-centric games. Those games have their own time-tables and release schedules, and rightfully so. Move is designed to work with high quality 3rd-party games, not the other way around.
@genius
Because they already have the core market, they don't need to advertise to us, they need to get the word out to the casuals....which is good for everybody, more xboxs=
And kinects out there give incentive for developers to see what they can do with the tech.
Name a new modern game made in one year that was 5star quality. Just one....
There aren't any because it takes time to make good games with new tech. That's why Sony is just patching in move support into existing titles and doesn't have a killer app yet
Because they already have the core market, they don't need to advertise to us, they need to get the word out to the casuals....which is good for everybody, more xboxs=
And kinects out there give incentive for developers to see what they can do with the tech.
Name a new modern game made in one year that was 5star quality. Just one....
There aren't any because it takes time to make good games with new tech. That's why Sony is just patching in move support into existing titles and doesn't have a killer app yet
I agree with all your points, sofik88.
Still too early to say, but, I think Kinect has captured a new, fun freshness for console gaming that reminds me of when wii was introduced. My 10 year-old and myself play the Kinect and Move demos in BestBuy and she had more fun (and wanted it) with the Kinect than Move. While I had fun initially with Kinect, it got boring fast (like with wii). The more I played with Move, the more I liked it.
I think children that currently like playing with wii, will love Kinect, too. Move does not currently have any games that satisfy any audience. In all stores, I am seeing shortages of xbox consoles that are bundled with Kinect and not seeing the same for ps3 w/Move. Kinect is definitely selling new consoles.
BTW, My daughter and I enjoy playing the exclusive game on ps3... Maybe get an xbox 360 next year.
Still too early to say, but, I think Kinect has captured a new, fun freshness for console gaming that reminds me of when wii was introduced. My 10 year-old and myself play the Kinect and Move demos in BestBuy and she had more fun (and wanted it) with the Kinect than Move. While I had fun initially with Kinect, it got boring fast (like with wii). The more I played with Move, the more I liked it.
I think children that currently like playing with wii, will love Kinect, too. Move does not currently have any games that satisfy any audience. In all stores, I am seeing shortages of xbox consoles that are bundled with Kinect and not seeing the same for ps3 w/Move. Kinect is definitely selling new consoles.
BTW, My daughter and I enjoy playing the exclusive game on ps3... Maybe get an xbox 360 next year.
I don't think 2.5 million sounds like a lot. Would you develop a game for a system only owned by 2.5 million people?
@Killas2
Well answer this. A game like Halo 3 or Gears of War sold what 3million in their first month and wasn't it considered a huge success? I would and so do most people. And they only cost 60$ at retail. Move the rival to connect only sold around 400k its first month and people thought that was great. Now we have Kinect selling almost 3million units at 150+$ a unit in 1 months time and suddenly that isn't good enough?
Well answer this. A game like Halo 3 or Gears of War sold what 3million in their first month and wasn't it considered a huge success? I would and so do most people. And they only cost 60$ at retail. Move the rival to connect only sold around 400k its first month and people thought that was great. Now we have Kinect selling almost 3million units at 150+$ a unit in 1 months time and suddenly that isn't good enough?
@Killas2
Well answer this. A game like Halo 3 or Gears of War sold what 3million in their first month and wasn't it considered a huge success? I would and so do most people, and they only cost $60 at retail. Move the rival to Kinect only sold around 400k its first month and people thought that was great. Now we have Kinect selling almost 3million units at 150+$ a unit in 1 months time and suddenly that isn't good enough? I think people just don't want to accept the fact that so far Kinect is a success.
Well answer this. A game like Halo 3 or Gears of War sold what 3million in their first month and wasn't it considered a huge success? I would and so do most people, and they only cost $60 at retail. Move the rival to Kinect only sold around 400k its first month and people thought that was great. Now we have Kinect selling almost 3million units at 150+$ a unit in 1 months time and suddenly that isn't good enough? I think people just don't want to accept the fact that so far Kinect is a success.
Do you "business gurus" think that Sony ships their products to retailers and hopes they get paid when the retailer actually sells it? Why Lord did I click on Destructoid today? Why Lord?
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