I too enjoyed the feeling of weight in Killzone 2, it felt more realistic to me. The only part I disliked about KZ2 was everyone in the game being a midget.

I've been playing the beta and while your character definitely feels lighter on his feet than it did in Killzone 2 the feeling hasn't been completely done away with. As long as they don't take it as light and loose as COD, or Resistance it's cool.

As long as I'm not ice skating like in COD I'll be a happy camper... I mean run and gunner.

"...but heaven forfend we try to make any other type of FPS that doesn't feel exactly like Halo, right?"

Really? I feel like they're trying to copy CoD way more so than Halo. The Halo games aren't nearly as focused on "twitch shooting" as the CoD games. In fact, the floaty jumping physics, shields and radars make killing people in Halo an absolute fucking chore at times.

Everyone knows that you can jump around and spin on a dime while carrying a bulky assault rifle and wearing 50+lb's of body armour.

Killzone's weighty movement was UNREALISTIC.


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I didn't like the feeling of weight. Controls are basically a language that you use to communicate your intentions to a game. The less slow and muddled the language, the easier it is to turn those intentions into action.

Loved kz2 despite my utter disgust at the controls. It wasn't the weight though. They were laggy, unresponsive, and not very precise.

I totally agree Jim, I have this running argument with a friend of mine about the weight issue. I was for it,he against. It made the game feel different and unlike the unnatural feeling of Call of Duty or Halo. It seems like asking gamers today to try anything new or to have to learn a new type of control scheme is too much for people.

Just going to chime in that I loved that slower movement. Felt more cinematic, in a way, which meshed well with what they were clearly going for in the game.

"Part of my enjoyment specifically came from that feeling of weight, but heaven forfend we try to make any other type of FPS that doesn't feel exactly like Halo..."

I haven't played the KZ series, but yeah, hear too. Same reason I very much enjoyed Crysis and Metro 2033, that "weight" feel and bobbing, not gonna help on gameplay, but it sure does give a bit more immersion, having those subtle cues.

I'm playing Killzone 2 now, although I started it like 5 times, I never finished it. I got a little high recently and thought that I fucking need to play a first-person shooter, so I decided to give Killzone 2 another try.
It controls really well, although I had to tweak sensitivity a bit. The only thing that concerns me about the game is that there's too much going on on the screen. Motion blur, smoke and dust, flickering. It would be okay if it only distracted me, but this shit gets to the point where I just can't see what's going on. Literally, like nothing.
Remember when you fight a flying robot on the roof? Yeah. Once he shot me, smoke and dust raised and covered the whole screen. I couldn't see shit and that bitch was flying around like mad, but I couldn't take cover, because I was literally blind.
I felt like a mole fighting a dragon.

But that's the only issue I've got with Killzone. Other than that it's awesome.

@Aurain: I can do that daily run around like that with all that shit on. The fall over due to a heart attack XD

I don't think it's a good idea to play the realism card in a game where you carry a revolver with infinite ammo and fight mutants with glowing red eyes.

Coming from a PC gamer background, this input lag was utter shit. It was the first thing I noticed when I picked up the controller. Console FPSs already need to add auto aim to even make them PLAYABLE let alone even fun, and adding even more of a disconnect between the player's input and their actions on screen seems backwards.

Jim, you were in the beta, and I don't remember you complaining about the controls in your first impressions, can't find the link tho. Did they further patch it??

I believe they can still keep the weighty feel to a certain degree while reducing input lag. I haven't played it but after going back to killzone 2 from playing other games, the lag seemed a bit too much.

I enjoyed the weighty feel. I felt that it lent a degree of desperation and opression that is present in actual combat, i would imagine. The game felt gritty and more realistic for this. @amtalx By realsim i'm referring to the gameplay, not the setting. Luckily there are multiple FPSs out there to accomodate all tastes and styles.

@sofik88

Welcome back. Haven't seen you post in awhile. Now you can counter SexChoco and bring balance to the 'Toid.

I've definitely devoted a good amount of my life to playing shooters (and trying to master them), and I don't understand how people could disagree with the notion that the input lag in KZ2 had a tremendously negative effect on gameplay. I recall dozens of instances in which players would go in for a melee kill, and end up in some ridiculous whirlwind of whiffs, struggling to even keep the enemy on screen. Maybe this is just the fix I needed to enjoy the world of Killzone as much as I wanted to.

@sofik88,

Yeah, like I'm every going to take your opinion on any PS3 game seriously! I don't think so. KZ2 was the nuts.

I enjoyed the weighty feel of KZ2. Yeah, it could be reduced a bit, but I hope they keep a similar feel for the 3rd one. There's plenty of quick floaty FPS's out there (every other one). Something different is good.

Different isn't good by virtue of simply being different. I applaud Guerrilla's bravery in trying to mix it up, but ultimately it failed. If it were such a great idea, they wouldn't have patched the more responsive control option into KZ2, and rolled it back even further with KZ3.

i never had an issue with KZ2, because im a gamer and i adapt to my games. i dont complain because its not like some other game i like. i play it for what it is. and i deal with it.

the problem with the input lag was that it directly impeded the fun factor of the game. Having the lag with the movement controls i could understand as it could simulate the weight of a gun, but having lag with the button controls is just stupid. When I hit R1 that's supposed to be me squeezing the trigger, not me hitting a button that begins the "fire gun on screen" sequence.

As long as the game doesnt have the stupid "my gun is made of air" feel that all of Valve's games have, I'll be happy.

Also different =/= good.

Typical Sterling hypocrisy. Ripping Fable 3 for being different and not using a typical menu. But then tries to defend KZ2 for using sluggish controls and not having a typical FPS feel.

(Also, I hated Fable 3)

I enjoyed the weighty feel as well. First FPS I've played that really made it feel like you were lugging a big ass gun around.

As a member of the beta who has put in over 20 hours into it, as well as hundreds of hours into Killzone 2, I can personally guarantee the weight is still very much there.

It has been slightly lessened, true, but it still feels like KZ2, just a little faster. Its still heavier than Bad Company 2, for example. I played a few rounds of that and it felt like MW2 on max settings compared to KZ3 (jerkiness, I mean, not speed of cursor movement). The cursor still speeds up at different speeds depending on the weapon you're holding, your running and turning speeds are all really effected, and I'm pretty sure you can't jump as high as easily with the LMG as you can the SMG, or so it seemed.

So I really want to ask the guy who wrote this article to calm down a bit. Now, if you'd played the beta in the first few days of the US beta, then you'd have every right to be pissed, but they patched in recoil and stuff in the first couple days so its all good now.

Trust me, this game is going to set the new standard for FPS games and will make all other series cower in shame of their inadequacy. Lookin' at you, Black Ops.

Well said Joe. If more people on this site stated their opinion instead of bashing each other's preference this urge to repeatedly stab myself in the eye might have gone away by now.

@ Jim - correct in every way.

@ Joe - correct in every way, but fear the Jimquisition...