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While I agree that motion control and 3D are kind of a stupid way for "the future of video games" to go, I think he may just be a little upset that people didn't really want to play Noby Noby Boy, and Katamari is losing, or has lost its charm. And people probably didn't want to play Noby Noby Boy because it wasn't so much a game as it was an interactive screensaver.
I certainly think that motion control is more than a bit dull and old now, but I'm pretty sure kickass people like Shigeru M. can keep creating innovation in the industry. I'm an optimist like that.
Wasn't he a one hit wonder? Don't get me wrong, Katamari was fun & fresh and I'm aware of noby noby boy, but dont remember it making headlines. He's entitled to his opinion I guess. But, I don't think its a worthy opinion to judge the future of videogames.
Of course the future of videogames is bright. He's just gutted that he has run out of ideas already :P
Of course the future of videogames is bright. He's just gutted that he has run out of ideas already :P
Sadly, I completely agree. Big 3D and motion sensor titles don't spark my interest at all. Smaller, indie games tend to grab my attention a lot more, and my money. I don't think I'll ever buy the PS Move or the Kinect, or ever even get a 3D television (until they're the standard). But for now, I'll stick to my 2D games controlled with a controller, mouse/keyboard, buttons on my DS.
In gaming world in which multiplayer is quickly becoming the focus, ideas are being endlessly repeated again and again, and gimmicks are being crafted to pull in the easily lead casual market, yeah, I'd say the industry is pretty dark for those of us who really love video games.
Not all is lost, but I have to say that the next generation of consoles will determine whether I bother sticking around and becoming that 50-60 year old person still playing games all those years later like I imagined myself in high school or if I just slowly back away from the industry.
Not all is lost, but I have to say that the next generation of consoles will determine whether I bother sticking around and becoming that 50-60 year old person still playing games all those years later like I imagined myself in high school or if I just slowly back away from the industry.
There are tons of games coming out that I am really excited for and none of them have anything to do with Keita Takahashi.
He's correct, neither are the future. The future is expanding different types of video games, not retooling the same types of games we've had since the NES with motion controls. Unless you're only vision of the future of video games is for the play mode to be like the movie "Gamer". That's a couple decades off though.
Its easy to feel the game industry is dying if your from Japan, their game industry is so stale and its a bunch of cheap sequel cash ins with zero innovation in gameplay story or graphics.
The only games that sell well in Japan are some stupid JRPG named like "Kitty Dragon Udon 58 ultimate blue".
The only games that sell well in Japan are some stupid JRPG named like "Kitty Dragon Udon 58 ultimate blue".
If the future of console gaming is 3D and motion control, then yes, that is dark indeed. Thank god I still have a foothold in PC gaming because it's not trending to either.
I fucking hate 3D and I fucking hate motion control. Not necessarily because they're "bad" and not "fun" but because the industry is so focused on that crap right now that there is little room for anything else. The consumer that doesn't give a shit about that gimmicky crap has to sit on the sidelines and wait for this shitstorm to pass.
I fucking hate 3D and I fucking hate motion control. Not necessarily because they're "bad" and not "fun" but because the industry is so focused on that crap right now that there is little room for anything else. The consumer that doesn't give a shit about that gimmicky crap has to sit on the sidelines and wait for this shitstorm to pass.
He's like a little kid who loses a game with his friends, and subsequently calls the game stupid and stomps off.
Well, he does have a point. There isn't really much you can at this point. It seems like just about everything that can be done has been done. All there is now are prettier graphics applied to the same genres we know and love.
If he's saying stuff like that, I'm worried. He's my favorite game designer, tied with Fumito Ueda and Suda 51. If Ueda or Suda said that, I would be quite terrified.
I agree, right now they are just re-using the same console, dressing it up for the next 2-4 years and adding 3D and motion control as gimmicks for developers to lengthen it's life. I liked it better when they were always trying to push the bar, even if it made a kind hole in my wallet.
The thing is, NOONE (Except people like me) wants technology to necessarily pop up. Its easier on developers and consumers to keep pushing what they bought and make a worthwhile investment which hinders advancement and overall, its pretty dumb.
I mean, games like Rage and Crysis 2 are being designed, not ported, to the consoles so they can run on 4+ year old hardware.
You can't take a step forward when one foot stays at the back.
The thing is, NOONE (Except people like me) wants technology to necessarily pop up. Its easier on developers and consumers to keep pushing what they bought and make a worthwhile investment which hinders advancement and overall, its pretty dumb.
I mean, games like Rage and Crysis 2 are being designed, not ported, to the consoles so they can run on 4+ year old hardware.
You can't take a step forward when one foot stays at the back.
@Bigmoose85
Considering the fact that he spun Katamari to a 6 game series and Nobi Nobi has sold over 100k as a downloadable game, I think he's doing fine considering he makes niche titles.
Considering the fact that he spun Katamari to a 6 game series and Nobi Nobi has sold over 100k as a downloadable game, I think he's doing fine considering he makes niche titles.
The game industry is going to collapse when it becomes entirely focused on first person shooters and people realize they are all pretty much the same game. Just a lot of angry people online shooting each other
@ Mithroot
I think you're representing the problem with the game industry rather than the solution. What gaming needs isn't bigger budgets and better graphics. We don't need more processing power - maybe a little more RAM - but overall the problem isn't tech.
The problem is that the industry is becoming stale and conservative with it's product and yet also branching off into areas that are just nothing short of deadends or bleeding egde.
3D feels like a deadend, one that would have happened in time due to TV's and doesn't need to be pushed by gaming as much as it is. And bleeding edge? Kinect in a nutshell.
What this industry needs is stuff like the Euphoria engine in terms of how it changes how games play and act. We need advancement in AI capability. We need advancement in terms of the details put into worlds and not graphical detail but rather interactive details that make the game more immersive. We need better writing. We need better design. Period. I'm tired of open world games that don't feel alive and quests feel static and unchanging.
None of that requires necessarily having more processing power. It just requires the industry to sit down and sacrifice quick profits for legitimate innovation.
I think you're representing the problem with the game industry rather than the solution. What gaming needs isn't bigger budgets and better graphics. We don't need more processing power - maybe a little more RAM - but overall the problem isn't tech.
The problem is that the industry is becoming stale and conservative with it's product and yet also branching off into areas that are just nothing short of deadends or bleeding egde.
3D feels like a deadend, one that would have happened in time due to TV's and doesn't need to be pushed by gaming as much as it is. And bleeding edge? Kinect in a nutshell.
What this industry needs is stuff like the Euphoria engine in terms of how it changes how games play and act. We need advancement in AI capability. We need advancement in terms of the details put into worlds and not graphical detail but rather interactive details that make the game more immersive. We need better writing. We need better design. Period. I'm tired of open world games that don't feel alive and quests feel static and unchanging.
None of that requires necessarily having more processing power. It just requires the industry to sit down and sacrifice quick profits for legitimate innovation.
Even if 3D and motion control turn out to be worthless creatively, they can be quickly abandoned at this point. The 3DS is shaping up to be a legitimate platform at the very least and it's the only system so far with 3D built in. And despite that, it has the trap door of turning the 3D off. Unless Microsoft and Sony really shit the bed and make complete Wii clones with mandatory motion control and 3D then both forms of gaming just have to pass or fail with Kinect and Move and 3D tvs. If in two or three years they prove awful then it can safely be abandoned. Although if that happens then we'll be once again entirely reliant on Nintendo for innovation in the industry for a few years.
@Drakengard
Exactly. The thing about this industry though, if one thing works out too well, we'll be stuck with that one innovation for every game in the genre and many games outside of that genre. Along with the innovation that comes with the design, there also needs to be an environment that doesn't encourage stagnation be it sales or critical acclaim.
Exactly. The thing about this industry though, if one thing works out too well, we'll be stuck with that one innovation for every game in the genre and many games outside of that genre. Along with the innovation that comes with the design, there also needs to be an environment that doesn't encourage stagnation be it sales or critical acclaim.
@Malik
Noby Noby didn't sell nearly as well as ANY of the Katamari games. And he was already pissed that Katamari spun off into so many sequels. He got pissed at the industry for milking his idea. So when he came up with a new idea, and it flopped, he saw that all anyone wanted from him was Katamari. Basically he failed, so now the game industry is dark, and there's no future for it.
In other words, he's trying to say that since he can't cut it in the game industry, it sucks, and he's not going to play anymore.
Noby Noby didn't sell nearly as well as ANY of the Katamari games. And he was already pissed that Katamari spun off into so many sequels. He got pissed at the industry for milking his idea. So when he came up with a new idea, and it flopped, he saw that all anyone wanted from him was Katamari. Basically he failed, so now the game industry is dark, and there's no future for it.
In other words, he's trying to say that since he can't cut it in the game industry, it sucks, and he's not going to play anymore.
@drakengard
you are completely correct with your statement about better design. what this really means is that we need artists that are willing to put some polish on these games. you can compare the video game industry to the music industry (i think they compare very well). in this comparison, a product like the beatles, with their incredible efforts to polish their work, compares very well with a company like nintendo, that puts great efforts into polishing (most of) their games. most companies are running things like the pop music industry, riding the new trends, and only worried about fast turn around and saturating the market. in a nutshell, that's the problem with gaming.
what i have a problem with, is the argument that motion control and 3d are wasted efforts, or gimmics. that idea couldn't be more wrong. the reality of the situation is that the industry was stagnating last gen. the ONLY difference in gaming was graphics from psx/n64 gen to ps2/cube gen, and again when we went from ps2/xbox to 360/ps3. the ONLY difference was the way the games looked. the gameplay is still exactly the same as last gen. if that's not stagnation, i don't know what is. katamari is a game that hasn't changed since it's inception, by definition, it's a stagnate series. the guy's problem is that he's not that great a game dev, because he only has the one workable idea, end of story. motion control and 3d may not be perfect elements of the industry, yet, but they are certainly both here to stay. and as long as we have real artists making games, we'll continue to see improvement in our beloved hobby. if the industry continues it's trend to release the same game over and over to build profits, we'll see another gaming collapse.
you are completely correct with your statement about better design. what this really means is that we need artists that are willing to put some polish on these games. you can compare the video game industry to the music industry (i think they compare very well). in this comparison, a product like the beatles, with their incredible efforts to polish their work, compares very well with a company like nintendo, that puts great efforts into polishing (most of) their games. most companies are running things like the pop music industry, riding the new trends, and only worried about fast turn around and saturating the market. in a nutshell, that's the problem with gaming.
what i have a problem with, is the argument that motion control and 3d are wasted efforts, or gimmics. that idea couldn't be more wrong. the reality of the situation is that the industry was stagnating last gen. the ONLY difference in gaming was graphics from psx/n64 gen to ps2/cube gen, and again when we went from ps2/xbox to 360/ps3. the ONLY difference was the way the games looked. the gameplay is still exactly the same as last gen. if that's not stagnation, i don't know what is. katamari is a game that hasn't changed since it's inception, by definition, it's a stagnate series. the guy's problem is that he's not that great a game dev, because he only has the one workable idea, end of story. motion control and 3d may not be perfect elements of the industry, yet, but they are certainly both here to stay. and as long as we have real artists making games, we'll continue to see improvement in our beloved hobby. if the industry continues it's trend to release the same game over and over to build profits, we'll see another gaming collapse.
Takahashi is concentrated love. His games have always been about spreading the love and if he doesn't see a game's industry more tied up in hardware than creating joy and fun than I can see why he'd have a bleak view of the industry. There's no love in that waggle/3D/Casual game gold rush at the last E3.
Well, lets take a quick look into the future.
- Kinect
- Playstation Move
- Halo sequel #5, Call of Duty sequel #7
- 2D platformers
- A licensed game featuring Mickey Mouse
- The winner of E3 is a handheld console, and one with inferior graphics to the 6 year old PSP according to early specs
If I told anyone on this site 2 years ago that these were the most anticipated releases of the holiday, I think they would be very pessimistic as well.
- Kinect
- Playstation Move
- Halo sequel #5, Call of Duty sequel #7
- 2D platformers
- A licensed game featuring Mickey Mouse
- The winner of E3 is a handheld console, and one with inferior graphics to the 6 year old PSP according to early specs
If I told anyone on this site 2 years ago that these were the most anticipated releases of the holiday, I think they would be very pessimistic as well.
I agree with the people who are seeing that bumping graphics and framerate more and touting that as innovation are going to bankrupt themselves. There are only a few AAA games developed by a few companies that can survive another 20% increase to dev costs and time, given maximum possible sales in their genres.
Indie, downloadable, and social gaming seem to be the future of the industry, for better or worse.
Indie, downloadable, and social gaming seem to be the future of the industry, for better or worse.
Its easy to feel the game industry is dying if your from Japan, their game industry is so stale and its a bunch of cheap sequel cash ins with zero innovation in gameplay story or graphics
How many FPSes came out this year?
How many FPSes came out this year?
im seeing ppls point now on some issues with 3d. i had difficulty in grasping why ppl hate/dislike 3d but i get it now. so much is spent in graphics that games become less fun, interactive, and connected. leaving minnimal play and hundreds of reused acheavements. 3D has so much untaped potential, we could definatly hit a new wave of inspiration and games that have the heart of the amaizing sonic 1,2,etc would surface. am i the only one that sees it.
gimmiks though arent reasons to declair a game dead. i guess its more in transition in requiered skills. now for example motion controls i think are better for shooting games because of the accuracy and depth that they provide for the player. i cant help but think that this is just going to lead to another shift in gamers. 3d and motion controlls wont consume the matket because not all games need it and some of those titles are better than motion titles.
I see where he's coming from, but maybe that's because we're probably not "ideal gamers". Nothing being pushed as fresh and new isn't really interesting to us. Looking at my Amazon Wishlist - none of these upcoming titles are anywhere near to be expected to be huge sellers. I'm contempt with that, but someone like Takahashi wouldn't. If that's the case, I can see why he thinks the way he does. And, with the hype the media is putting on Kinect and Move... let me put it this way; even if they turn out to be successful, then what?
I wouldn't be surprised if the industry backs itself into a corner.
I wouldn't be surprised if the industry backs itself into a corner.
i kind see were ppl are coming from. 3d and motion are part of the feuture but you dont need pop up graphics to have a great time. if graphics are being pushed as better and inovative than yes its as black as night. we need new ideas, filled worlds and better stories.
@NickCull said it best right off, there will always be great games along with the bad ones, the dull and unoriginal ones just happen to get the most attention.
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