The vocal majority of Destructoid readers seem to be interested in hearing more on this particular story. There was a new development in the circumstances following the events on Fox News, and that development was reported on. Just because it is related doesn't make it the same story. Though I'm sure it isn't the truth, the impression I'm getting from your comments is that we shouldn't mention when new characters are revealed in Smash Brothers, because we've had articles on the game before.
Grimlock: By you apparently oh so awesome and mighty standards, this is my opinion.
Go the fuck away.
I'm stating my opinion, just like everyone else. And in my opinion, your life is so devoid of actual purpose and meaning that you must elevate your own self as being beyond the mortal men who find these stories captivating, ironic or, at the very least, interesting study into mass psychology using interconnected mediums of communication.
To you, these are small matters and anyone who does not feel that any further mention of them must be silenced is therefore inferior.
Of course, someone with such an awesomely original and mature name such as yours must be writing a thesis at this moment about the curruption of gamestream media by those of such inferior blood as yourself who lack such originality that they must investigate further those stories they have previously already explored simply because new things have come to light.
Of course, reality is you are most probably a sad little man(or bored emotional anti-social teen twerp) who really wishes he had more friends but will have to make due with his Transformers Original Series Action Figures.
I'm stating my opinion just like everyone else.
Point 1: Would anyone even know if Cooper existed if it weren't for Faux News?
There are 2 different cases in this first point:
Case 1 - If they know of her because of her job at Faux, but missed the Mass Effect episode, than this falls back onto what I said earlier about Faux's audience.
Case 2 - If they do not know of her at all, would they honestly care?
Allow me to go into more detail on Case 2. Cooper's book is a typical self-help book of short length and of uninteresting content. I have a strong feeling in my gut that if one were to actually read this book on an intellectual level, they'd facepalm the entire time. Disregarding that, think about the type of book it is. The same could be said for every other book in that category. Who reads self-help book like this? Could it be the same type of person that takes Faux News seriously? Again, this goes back to my argument above.
Here's another thing to consider for the second case: consider satire in itself. A lot of people don't get it. Is this new? Of course not. Satire has existed for... God knows how long. I guarantee you that there has never been or never will be a piece of satire that everyone has equally understood. But since when does that stop satirists from doing what they do? When you create satire, you know full well what you're getting into. Just because a few people don't get it doesn't mean it isn't worth it, because there will definitely be a good portion of the people out there that do.
Bringing me to my next point...
Point 2: If someone doesn't understand satire, what is the result?
Again, there are two possible results.
Result 1: Confusion.
If there are 400 reviews on a page that all say the same thing, it seems obvious that something is off. Perhaps they will not understand that it's satire, but they won't know what to call it. They'll just be confused and think "why are so many people bashing this without having read it? Why do all these reviews follow the same form and idea?" If they never receive an answer for these questions, they will either forget about it. Picture yourself stumbling onto a similar book facing a similar reaction, if you have no idea who the author is or what's going on, you'll simply leave it at that and forget about it. Why care if you have no idea what's going on? One thing is for sure though... If all these reviews are negative and follow in the same form, there must be a reason, and because of that, the logical decision is to forget about the book and not even buy it, perhaps even spread word about it being potentially terrible given the situation. Even if you did not understand what was going on, would you still buy the book? Would anyone even want to buy this book even if the reviews did not exist and if they did not know of Cooper at all?
If someone reads a satirical comic in the newspaper and thinks "I don't get it," they'll forget about it, plain and simple. No harm done.
Result 2: Anger.
What if the person takes this situation literally and thinks "Wow... Why is this page plagued with so many morons?" An often case of satire or anything similar is often hit with such things. Take C.S. Lewis' Screwtape Letters for instance. I recall reading about an old woman that complained saying that the "advice" given was immoral and even diabolical on some levels. This adds humor to the people that get it, confusion to some that don't, and for those small few that get angry, they'll be inclined to agree. But let's think back for a second about what Cooper did and what these angry people will do in ignorance. Cooper gave a negative outlook on a game without experiencing it herself, just as these people will give a negative outlook on this form of satire without knowing what it's responding to. Just as with confusion, this exists in everything, even if it isn't satire. Cooper is guilty of it for sure. The difference being that Cooper giggled her way through it, while the clueless and angry responder to satire is being more sincere. Cooper had nothing to work with and knew this, while the angry responder does have at least something. The angry responder sees the satire but fails to recognize it as such, hence the reaction.
But now think about what it accomplishes. Do the confused and angry people that do not comprehend a piece of satire take away the value of the satire? If so, why? If so, does Cooper's ignorant view on Mass Effect take away from the value of the game?
The clueless people left in the dark will stay in the dark unless they do research, but because they are left in the dark, they don't really have any effect on what's going on. Picture one of them trying to respond, what happens? They will get responses from the people that did understand the satire, explaining to them what's going on essentially. Again, no harm done at all.
Once more, with feeling, since you raised a valid point. Yes, the comments are childish. I've ranted about this at length. Yes, Geoff did all he could, and we should be taking the high road. But I for one think it's worth continuing this discussion so it can reach beyond Destructoid in a way that's constructive (Heh, "Constructoid").
Even if you think I'm an asshole, I hope you can agree that it sounds like a fine idea.
Now to eat my words and try even harder to let that "marionette strings" snark off the hook.
Kinda makes me feel like a hostage negotiator.
"The only problem with that entire argument is that those reading her reviews would have to have incite into what she did in order for them to understand that the reviews are satire."
True, but if she had done her research, she probably would've never said those things, but here we are.
I'm serious.
What has turning the other cheek ever done for any of us, other than giving old media free reign to choose its next target without any fear of repercussion? This is the equivalent of our own "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" speech. In the past, pundits could spout off whatever ill-informed, third-hand drivel about video games they saw fit, because few people actually had the means before the internet to reply to such attacks. Now, however, a message is being sent to one of those empty talking heads, and it is going to be received as loudly and clearly as the original lies that spurned this entire dramedy on, and I for one couldn't be happier. Maybe when the wastrel checks to see how awesome the sales of her vapid book are doing, she'll actually read some of the reviews and understand that there are (and damned well should be) consequences for reporting live from one's own ass. And then, maybe, just maybe, any of the other chowder heads circle-jerking it up at the Fox Roundtable will come to agreement that reporting false information carries its own downsides and backlashes, so in lieu of that, research of subject matter before commenting on said subject matter, would be a good thing to do. Or maybe they will all die in a fire. I'm no gaming Ghandii; fuck 'em. Research shows I'm right.
Constructoid will be about everything that Destructoid and Japanator isn't about. They will be at constant war with each other. There will be blood. There will be no prisoners. It will be something to write home about for sure.
"She wants to Bash a game without playing it, heres a review of her book without reading it"
Also, http://www.amazon.com/Cooper-brought-this-on-herself/forum/FxA5QE0J2NN0DZ/Tx3XO931Y9GJDO/1/ref=cm_cd_dp_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdAnchor=1599211793&asin=1599211793&store=books
Not to mention the 3 most helpful reviews that show up on the main page are the ones that are from people that either actually read the book, or make it convincing that they did.
Like I said, I think we're pretty safe on this one. Just sit back and enjoy the satire.
I agree. Even were I inclined to argue, you pretty-much covered yourself pretty well there.
Then again, I'm a straight-forward thinker, and the abstract or tangential doesn't seem to occur to me until someone presents it to me. I wouldn't even know if there [b]was[/i] a hole in your argument, though as far as my intelligence will allow me to guess, I'm pretty sure there isn't.
Good write-up, and good times.
Even though I don't know much about the issue at hand here, I do know enough to agree that Cooper-Lawrence deserves everything she's getting. Were Mass Effect any other type of media, she would still have gotten the same treatment from those fans, though arguably not nearly on as large a scale. If, for example, it were a movie and movie fans spent a lot of their free time on the internet on places that actively encourage flaming and trolling of unsuspecting real people, the exact same thing would have happened. She's just unfortunate that the majority of fans of Mass Effect happen to be activists against this kind of thing and that her misappropriated comments were taken personally by countless members of a leave-nothing-unrazed mindset. Ignorance and hypocrisy like this is wrong, no matter what it's against.
Seriously Grimlock, all of your ranting was based on the "this news is old" attitude. It's not old, it's a current situation regarding the recurring "games are the seed of satan" argument.
I'm not a conformist, I fight for my rights, and I feel insulted by these ridiculous ideas that gamers cannot function well within society, that games cannot educate, that they're so different from the rest of the entertainment industry.
If there's a problem, you cannot sit back and just cross your arms. You need to act.
And yes, your existence is insulting. Grow up.
"If, for example, it were a movie and movie fans spent a lot of their free time on the internet on places that actively encourage flaming and trolling of unsuspecting real people..."
I think you're looking for http://www.imdb.com
I've only ever used IMDB to look up voices on cartoons. I tend to overlook old-fashioned threaded bulletin boards because they're such a chore to read over.
To those being retards here: stop being retards.
Now you're talking on a level I can jive with. My argument from the very beginning has been that we are behaving with an unbelievable amount of immaturity and childish malice. That's exactly why I feel like this discussion must continue if we are ever to be taken seriously as a community and a creative medium.
Of course none of it can be taken seriously now. We're blindly lashing out because we're on the defensive. But we need to look at this whole situation very carefully nonetheless, because there is a great deal to learn here. Do you think I posted a review on Amazon? To do so would completely undermine everything I stand for as a human being.
Which is why I continue to insist that we need to be human beings about this.
Wait, now you're deliberately insulting people again. Would you make up your mind already? You're vacillating so wildly between "intriguing intellectual opponent" and "schoolyard bully" that my responses are almost guaranteed to go in the wrong direction.
Yer makin' me dizzy, homes.
Personally I think talking about how gamers made a mistake by giving bad reviews of her book is moot because they can't be taken back.
Plus no one has given a POSITIVE review of it period, fox news can't talk about all the bad reviews we've given it when none of her readers liked it either
Sharpless, you have a way with words, my friend.
lulz.
The fact that you address me as an equal has me somewhat relieved, but your bleak outlook of human beings in general reminds me of...
Well, me, before anger management. I've said many of the things you're saying right now, but trust me when I say you'll be a much happier person overall once you're willing to give people a little credit. Or at least conceal your contempt in the interest of not making enemies.
With that, yes Ratcliff, we did get a little off topic. Apologies for my complicity in hijacking this conversation.
I think the "you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" analogy is the perfect way to sum all this up.
It's true, but the point is that nowadays, every sort of media has some kind of large, collective website to cater to its interest. Although the digital culture has the biggest following in this environment for obvious reasons, movie buffs and others have a good amount as well. If you looked up a movie on imdb, you'll notice that in a lot of the forums there are plenty of die hards out there that ceaselessly defend the movie.
But before I digress, what I'm trying to say is that if talking heads like Cooper were to give a book, movie, music cd, etc. the same treatment as video games, she'd still probably get blasted away. A good thing indeed.
it probably deserves a bad review, anyway. just look at it. it probably would have only sold 100 copies without all this fuss. it'd end up on the bargain racks at barnes and noble.
Until I took it upon myself to talk you down, that actually was where I was directing my "sessions" (though accusing me of having undergone court-ordered treatment is a bit much). I assure you there is no regurgitation in my statements; I just talk like a psychiatrist because I've learned a bunch of stuff and I'm eager to apply it. Once again, my apologies if I tried to psychoanalyze you. It's not my job.
Don't set anything on fire while I'm gone!
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I wanna make sure the camera's rolling when you do!

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