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@Peteru
Yeah it sorta gets me when people look at PCs and quote the price on the highest end systems like its the defacto standard required to run the most basic of games ~.~
Usally I can build a rig that will last me a good 5 years (strange 5 years seems to be about the console cycle Hmmmmm) for like $400 or so. If it starts to feel a bit outdated in three or so years usually a $40-75 graphics card will fix that right up.
Really this misconception that you need some liquid helium cooled future computer from space.... that costs more than the GDP of a small country, just doesn't compute.
Here's the real kicker ..... when I build my next rig half a decade down the line ..... ALL MY GAMES STILL WORK ON IT! I don't need to keep my fingers crossed that the reverse compatibility gods smile on me that gen.
Yeah it sorta gets me when people look at PCs and quote the price on the highest end systems like its the defacto standard required to run the most basic of games ~.~
Usally I can build a rig that will last me a good 5 years (strange 5 years seems to be about the console cycle Hmmmmm) for like $400 or so. If it starts to feel a bit outdated in three or so years usually a $40-75 graphics card will fix that right up.
Really this misconception that you need some liquid helium cooled future computer from space.... that costs more than the GDP of a small country, just doesn't compute.
Here's the real kicker ..... when I build my next rig half a decade down the line ..... ALL MY GAMES STILL WORK ON IT! I don't need to keep my fingers crossed that the reverse compatibility gods smile on me that gen.
Niero: Site hits are slow, whip something to toss the consoles fans into a frenzy.
Jim: You got it boss.
Pathetic, the Jimquistion was actually touching on a lot of great subjects recently, you just had to go and fuck all that up didn't you.
Jim: You got it boss.
Pathetic, the Jimquistion was actually touching on a lot of great subjects recently, you just had to go and fuck all that up didn't you.
Obligatory 8 gig install for Halo 4 multiplayer is another big nail in the coffin. Especially if you have the old standard 20 gig hardrive.
Partly true. Nintendo and Sony still have right to exist at least, they are still pumping out exclusives that most consider good, that people care about. Now Microsoft with 360, have you seen anything new from them lately? No. Just the same Halo, Gears and Forza for the past 2-4 years? I guess they don't need to focus on exclusives, but without exclusives, what is the point in existing? 360 needs to drop, no next gen 360 please, when you have the PS3 and PC doing the same things, cept PS3 having more exclusives.
Now I know you might think, what about XBLA? Well even those end up on PC at some point. And those that aren't, can easily become so, such as Fez. The recent Spelunky remake on XBLA has already been outed that it will be for PC, just dunno what what point. One of the devs said so himself to someone who got the game early.
But yeah I didn't think about consoles, how publishers are just treating them as a way to have more control over their games than on PC. Sad sad stuff. I wonder, will we ever see the game industry shape up? Or will we continue to see DRM, on-disc DLC, content purposely cut to sell as DLC, and all this other crap? It feels like we might not live long enough to see this happen at this rate.
Now I know you might think, what about XBLA? Well even those end up on PC at some point. And those that aren't, can easily become so, such as Fez. The recent Spelunky remake on XBLA has already been outed that it will be for PC, just dunno what what point. One of the devs said so himself to someone who got the game early.
But yeah I didn't think about consoles, how publishers are just treating them as a way to have more control over their games than on PC. Sad sad stuff. I wonder, will we ever see the game industry shape up? Or will we continue to see DRM, on-disc DLC, content purposely cut to sell as DLC, and all this other crap? It feels like we might not live long enough to see this happen at this rate.
This is going to be good. Also, to put my ten cents in, there are so many different genres and types of games that I enjoy playing that the PC market has never been that open to. Honestly, it all depends on what you want.
I used to love building systems and playing games. Now when I get home from an 8 hour+ work day, I just want the damn Xbox to work when I turn it on.
I got tired of worrying about drivers, compatability, constantly upgrading (not because you have to, but who doesn't want to run a game on the best possible settings?)
I got tired of worrying about drivers, compatability, constantly upgrading (not because you have to, but who doesn't want to run a game on the best possible settings?)
You're so formulaic these days, Jim. Say trollish thing / wait for replies / call commenters who dissent idiots / wait for reposts and retweets.
Calling it sad doesn't even begin to express how pathetic it really is. If only there was a word that conveyed the sentiment that something someone has done is "embarrassing given how much talent they really possess." Maybe we can just say you Jimquisitioned yourself and that helps get the point across.
Calling it sad doesn't even begin to express how pathetic it really is. If only there was a word that conveyed the sentiment that something someone has done is "embarrassing given how much talent they really possess." Maybe we can just say you Jimquisitioned yourself and that helps get the point across.
I disagree with this one, I much prefer consoles because what I buy will work 90% of the time. I never need to buy hardware upgrades for my PS3 because of a new game just out or anything and really, who cares about the games having an install? Set it going and then go for a cup of tea or something x.x At the end of the day an upto date PC rig that can run everything will cost over £400-£500 and that'd last a year maybe because graphics cards are coming out all the time and games try to push them to the limit.
"Like the music?" Err...no
I'll probably get a gaming PC when this generation of consoles finally dies out. Still, I do enjoy playing games on my PS3 a lot. Updates are not that big a deal, compared to the instalation and performance problems I sometimes have to deal with in a PC.
A smart move, for Sony and Microsoft mainly, woud be to give up on consoles and focus on a hybrid (for example, making gaming PCs with a PlayStation OS or software)
I'll probably get a gaming PC when this generation of consoles finally dies out. Still, I do enjoy playing games on my PS3 a lot. Updates are not that big a deal, compared to the instalation and performance problems I sometimes have to deal with in a PC.
A smart move, for Sony and Microsoft mainly, woud be to give up on consoles and focus on a hybrid (for example, making gaming PCs with a PlayStation OS or software)
This is why I have a PC and a PS3.
Get the best exclusives, and the majority of multi-plat titles I want I just get on PC for cheaper.
Get the best exclusives, and the majority of multi-plat titles I want I just get on PC for cheaper.
@naninani
Exactly. PS3 is worth owning still because of how it comes out with pretty good exclusives and keeps pumping them out, new IPs at that. While you see 360 coming out with nothing new at all anymore, just sequels of Halo, Gears and Forza. Yeah yeah I know, sounds like bashing the 360 but it's not like what I say isn't true.
Seems all one needs is a PC and PS3 and possibly a Wii for gaming. Those 2 consoles because of the exclusives that have a good handful of good ones at that.
Exactly. PS3 is worth owning still because of how it comes out with pretty good exclusives and keeps pumping them out, new IPs at that. While you see 360 coming out with nothing new at all anymore, just sequels of Halo, Gears and Forza. Yeah yeah I know, sounds like bashing the 360 but it's not like what I say isn't true.
Seems all one needs is a PC and PS3 and possibly a Wii for gaming. Those 2 consoles because of the exclusives that have a good handful of good ones at that.
I AM IN DISAGREEMENT AND MY ASS IS A BIT SORE AFTER THE VIDEO SO I WILL ACCUSE IT OF BEING NOTHING BUT A TROLL MEANT TO GAIN SITE HITS
Actually, no. Jim makes a lot of great points. There's nothing wrong with enjoying your consoles while still having the level-headed maturity to acknowledge that the state of console gaming has been getting worse and worse.
Jim's not telling you what you should be playing your games on or how you should be spending your money. He's making an observation. How hard is that to understand?
If you're one of those people offended by Jim's video, you're just part of the fanboy shitstorm problem. If you like consoles, good for you, go play your consoles. Jesus fucking christ.
Actually, no. Jim makes a lot of great points. There's nothing wrong with enjoying your consoles while still having the level-headed maturity to acknowledge that the state of console gaming has been getting worse and worse.
Jim's not telling you what you should be playing your games on or how you should be spending your money. He's making an observation. How hard is that to understand?
If you're one of those people offended by Jim's video, you're just part of the fanboy shitstorm problem. If you like consoles, good for you, go play your consoles. Jesus fucking christ.
Maybe when the next console gen hits and if I have the money I'll check out PCs.
However right now, I'm fine with my consoles, I'm more about convenience so for me consoles
Also while I love my PS3's most of the problems you addressed Like installs & patches aren't nearly as severe as they are on the 360 side which leaves PC's with better graphics, mods & fixes. Sure I'd love to play a few PC exclusive (or Valve's case PC favoured) games but I'm okay with my "crappy" consoles for now :)
However right now, I'm fine with my consoles, I'm more about convenience so for me consoles
Also while I love my PS3's most of the problems you addressed Like installs & patches aren't nearly as severe as they are on the 360 side which leaves PC's with better graphics, mods & fixes. Sure I'd love to play a few PC exclusive (or Valve's case PC favoured) games but I'm okay with my "crappy" consoles for now :)
Jim isn't attacking console gamers, he's pointing out how you guys get shit on my MS/Sony/Nintendo. Apparently a lot of you are such blind fanboys that you can't see how badly you are treated.
@Niiro:
Everything you just said is bullshit.
@Niiro:
Everything you just said is bullshit.
Of course consoles are crap PCs. But they're crap PCs that don't make me ask permission to play my games after I buy them. So, consoles > PCs for gaming, in my opinion, until Indie developers and DRM-free games are the norm again.
Some of the comments in here are just.. wow.
Why can't Steam just make that console/PC hybrid thing already???
Why can't Steam just make that console/PC hybrid thing already???
I actually broke my PS3 controller by slamming.it on to my floor because I was so sick of those long dreadful updates and installs and patches, eventually one day I had to update my ps3, update a game and then install it, it's a fucking joke!
@Pedro:
They have worse DRM-ish online issues than PCs imo. What happens when the 360 is dead? How long do you think MS will continue to support your digital DLC/game purchases? Even if you have a functional 360, will you be able to patch your games or register them online? Will all your current-gen console games work on your next-gen systems? If I buy a game on Steam I'm pretty sure I'll be able to still login, download, and play it on my current system ten years from now. And, of course, what happens when you can no longer buy a new 360/PS3? They are nowhere near as durable as old cartridge-based consoles.
Ultimately the games I buy on PC, digital or not, seem more likely to be available and functional for me in the future than games bought on the current consoles. Even if you buy a console game on disc, your DLC, patches, etc. will be lost eventually- assuming you still have a working system.
They have worse DRM-ish online issues than PCs imo. What happens when the 360 is dead? How long do you think MS will continue to support your digital DLC/game purchases? Even if you have a functional 360, will you be able to patch your games or register them online? Will all your current-gen console games work on your next-gen systems? If I buy a game on Steam I'm pretty sure I'll be able to still login, download, and play it on my current system ten years from now. And, of course, what happens when you can no longer buy a new 360/PS3? They are nowhere near as durable as old cartridge-based consoles.
Ultimately the games I buy on PC, digital or not, seem more likely to be available and functional for me in the future than games bought on the current consoles. Even if you buy a console game on disc, your DLC, patches, etc. will be lost eventually- assuming you still have a working system.
Jim makes some good points but as the other commenters have said before there is still a place for consoles, they are still cheaper and more convenient for the average person and they are probably going to be around for that reason.
One thing we should all think about is what would happen if consoles didn't exist. I envision the PC gaming scene becoming as fragmented as the android market. At the moment most PC games have be able to run on console "i.e. crappy PCs". This means that they have lower specifications and lower settings.
However without the consoles there would be little reason for developers to hold back technology wise. They would push the graphics, physics and particle effect constantly. Those among you who only upgrade 3-5 yearly would either have to upgrade more often for more money or be left behind.
The consoles have allowed for a unified baseline specification and because of the 5+year generation turnover are preventing you guys from having to spend more money. This is speculation, true but the reason the android market is so fucked up is because there is no baseline specification, developers just develop for the newest hardware, which is obsolete in less then a year.
Just something to think about
One thing we should all think about is what would happen if consoles didn't exist. I envision the PC gaming scene becoming as fragmented as the android market. At the moment most PC games have be able to run on console "i.e. crappy PCs". This means that they have lower specifications and lower settings.
However without the consoles there would be little reason for developers to hold back technology wise. They would push the graphics, physics and particle effect constantly. Those among you who only upgrade 3-5 yearly would either have to upgrade more often for more money or be left behind.
The consoles have allowed for a unified baseline specification and because of the 5+year generation turnover are preventing you guys from having to spend more money. This is speculation, true but the reason the android market is so fucked up is because there is no baseline specification, developers just develop for the newest hardware, which is obsolete in less then a year.
Just something to think about
I actually broke my PS3 controller by slamming.it on to my floor because I was so sick of those long dreadful updates and installs and patches, eventually one day I had to update my ps3, update a game and then install it, it's a fucking joke!
ACHIEVEMENTS AND TROPHIES, THAT'S WHAT! GFWL is dead, and Steam trophies do not fucking count, because they suck. No metascore.
dear console gamers.
what Jim speaks is the truth. I've always been on both sides, I had NES, Sega Genesis, DreamCast, PS1, PS2 and PSP. and all this time I was also a PC gamer, so I know both sides.
and both were great, up until this generation came along with all of its bullshit, including interfering with PC franchises. none of the previous console generations did this.
so join us. join us and be free from the bullshit the current gen consoles are forcing upon you. join us and understand why we call ourselves the PC gaming master race, even though it's a joke with no hate intended. join us and see how creative a developer can get when not bounded by the restrictions of a console.
JOIN US.
what Jim speaks is the truth. I've always been on both sides, I had NES, Sega Genesis, DreamCast, PS1, PS2 and PSP. and all this time I was also a PC gamer, so I know both sides.
and both were great, up until this generation came along with all of its bullshit, including interfering with PC franchises. none of the previous console generations did this.
so join us. join us and be free from the bullshit the current gen consoles are forcing upon you. join us and understand why we call ourselves the PC gaming master race, even though it's a joke with no hate intended. join us and see how creative a developer can get when not bounded by the restrictions of a console.
JOIN US.
Yep, couldn't agree more, but this is all something a lot of us have been saying for ages... Next gen, it's PC for me.
Hey, I'm poor. I'm sticking to the 7th generation while you suckers fall into the 8th generation t/crap.
Gotta lay some myths to rest:
Upgrades
An average gaming PC will last at least console generations. If you want to keep it bleeding edge, an interim, modest upgrade of one or two components ever 3-4 years will suffice, but that's if you absolutely must max out your settings on every game.
People keep saying you never have to ugprade your console but this is false. What happens when the Playstation 4 comes out? Or the next Xbox? Next Nintendo thing? Time to upgrade! Hardware upgrades exist in the console world. Just because you're replacing the entire system doesn't mean you're not buying new hardware. And you're doing it at a higher frequency than a knowledgeable PC gamer. A new video card, extra RAM, or a new CPU will be less than a new console unless you go for the highest end (a good time to point out the plethora of OPTIONS PC gaming provides) in which case you're willing to spend extra cash anyway.
This isn't even mentioning all of the extra peripherals console gaming brings with it, whether we're talking about Wiimote add-ons, the Wii Fit, the Move, or even the Kinect. HARDWARE UPGRADES, PEOPLE. I've never had to buy a special keyboard to play a specific PC game.
Anecdote: I built my PC in 2007 and it runs Skyrim like a champ. I've put in maybe $200 in upgrades - which includes hard drive space for all my animu, not related to PC gaming - since then. My Xbox 360 died last fall and I had to replace the whole damn thing. And this console generation is almost over.
Viruses etc
If you still get viruses, you're a fucking mouthbreathing idiot.
There's nothing else to it. Educate your dumb self and learn how to manage a computer, regardless of what you use it for.
Besides, playing games does not increase your risk of getting viruses. If you're the kind of person who still gets viruses, just checking your email puts you at risk. Stop treating it as a problem with PC gaming.
Stability, errors, complexity
If you're trying to run a game with the lowest supported hardware, yeah, you might get some issues. That said, operating systems released in the last 7 years are stable, robust, and provided you didn't buy your GPU at a garage sale, and you didn't let your grandmother install your RAM, crashes and freezes are far rarer than whatever you're convinced of.
Upgrades
An average gaming PC will last at least console generations. If you want to keep it bleeding edge, an interim, modest upgrade of one or two components ever 3-4 years will suffice, but that's if you absolutely must max out your settings on every game.
People keep saying you never have to ugprade your console but this is false. What happens when the Playstation 4 comes out? Or the next Xbox? Next Nintendo thing? Time to upgrade! Hardware upgrades exist in the console world. Just because you're replacing the entire system doesn't mean you're not buying new hardware. And you're doing it at a higher frequency than a knowledgeable PC gamer. A new video card, extra RAM, or a new CPU will be less than a new console unless you go for the highest end (a good time to point out the plethora of OPTIONS PC gaming provides) in which case you're willing to spend extra cash anyway.
This isn't even mentioning all of the extra peripherals console gaming brings with it, whether we're talking about Wiimote add-ons, the Wii Fit, the Move, or even the Kinect. HARDWARE UPGRADES, PEOPLE. I've never had to buy a special keyboard to play a specific PC game.
Anecdote: I built my PC in 2007 and it runs Skyrim like a champ. I've put in maybe $200 in upgrades - which includes hard drive space for all my animu, not related to PC gaming - since then. My Xbox 360 died last fall and I had to replace the whole damn thing. And this console generation is almost over.
Viruses etc
If you still get viruses, you're a fucking mouthbreathing idiot.
There's nothing else to it. Educate your dumb self and learn how to manage a computer, regardless of what you use it for.
Besides, playing games does not increase your risk of getting viruses. If you're the kind of person who still gets viruses, just checking your email puts you at risk. Stop treating it as a problem with PC gaming.
Stability, errors, complexity
If you're trying to run a game with the lowest supported hardware, yeah, you might get some issues. That said, operating systems released in the last 7 years are stable, robust, and provided you didn't buy your GPU at a garage sale, and you didn't let your grandmother install your RAM, crashes and freezes are far rarer than whatever you're convinced of.
NEW COMMENT SYSTEM WHERE?!?!?!?!!?
Edits above: "at least TWO console generations"
And whatever other typos I might have made.
Edits above: "at least TWO console generations"
And whatever other typos I might have made.
The primary benefit to me is cost. with what I don't pay to get new parts I can buy more games. If you have the disposable income though then PC is now and always has been the way to go.
PC gaming can even be cheaper than console gaming nowadays especially if you comapare a 360 with paid online with a pc with free online and cheaper games, sure you have to upgrade but is it really a negative, for me at least I really enjoy getting new stuff. I also enjoy putting in my parts tinkering with oc's a bit and so on, it is just really a lot of fun. The fact that its in the longer run cheaper than console gaming really makes that argument of upgrading and costs kind of useless. I personally cannot understand how someone doesn't enjoy getting a new gpu or cpu/mobo. In terms of hassle its not that much of a trouble you just install parts install the official drivers, in case a rare games goes wrong you can fix it in no time so really no real annoying hassle here. Just fun of getting new stuff. Lets be honest here looking at 360 players who has kept his 360 for the full 7 years Ibet not many same with the ps3, and with pc upgrades every 3 years I don't think they are to far apart also.
LOOOOOTS of people in here that know jack shit about PCs lol
I've been a console gamer since I was wee, but I've also always been around PC's, I know how to use them, I know what parts are capable of what, it's not even difficult.
You can buy a desktop right now for around $400 and it will be able to do everything you need it to (assuming you're not the dumbass who buys pre-built shit from Walmart or something). And that $400 is accounting for a 60-100$ graphics card. My system is almost 5 years old now, I put a $60 nvidia GT520 in it and it runs all but the most intense games just fine on normal settings.
Things get pricey when you know exactly how much power you want and how to use it.
I've been a console gamer since I was wee, but I've also always been around PC's, I know how to use them, I know what parts are capable of what, it's not even difficult.
You can buy a desktop right now for around $400 and it will be able to do everything you need it to (assuming you're not the dumbass who buys pre-built shit from Walmart or something). And that $400 is accounting for a 60-100$ graphics card. My system is almost 5 years old now, I put a $60 nvidia GT520 in it and it runs all but the most intense games just fine on normal settings.
Things get pricey when you know exactly how much power you want and how to use it.
I started playing PC games back in the 80s, and I still love it. That said, I don't agree with this at all. Consoles have picked up some of the less desirable features of PCs like mandatory installs and entering serial numbers, but for the most part you CAN just put in the disk and hit start.
@flintmech You forgot the upgrading of hardware for consoles which includes the "peripherals"; such as Kinect, Playstation Eye*, WiiU, and all the other things that come out. Do you have to necessarily buy these items? No, it'll just slightly hinder what you can and cannot play in the future.
This actually applies to upgrading the hardware of a PC. You don't have to upgrade your hardware every time a new game comes out or every time a new piece of hardware comes out. However, the positive for the PC in this case is: you're not even slightly limited to the games you play. You will still be able to play every single PC game that is released, whether it be on low or medium graphics. But if you want to play that new ZombieU or Dance Central, you're shit out of luck if you don't want to buy the WiiU or Kinect, respectively.
*I have no idea what the new playstation "motion control" device is actually called, nor do I really care. You understand what I was getting at and if you don't you're ignorant.
This actually applies to upgrading the hardware of a PC. You don't have to upgrade your hardware every time a new game comes out or every time a new piece of hardware comes out. However, the positive for the PC in this case is: you're not even slightly limited to the games you play. You will still be able to play every single PC game that is released, whether it be on low or medium graphics. But if you want to play that new ZombieU or Dance Central, you're shit out of luck if you don't want to buy the WiiU or Kinect, respectively.
*I have no idea what the new playstation "motion control" device is actually called, nor do I really care. You understand what I was getting at and if you don't you're ignorant.
@amtalx
I can simply double-click an item in my Steam library and "hit start".
I fail to understand this argument.
I can simply double-click an item in my Steam library and "hit start".
I fail to understand this argument.
And this is what differentiated Nintendo from the 360/PS3: Nintendo is the last arcade-roots console maker. PC developers can't make platformers for shit (and by that I mean they can't sell their indie games to the mass market at the level a 2D Mario or even a Kirby game sells). When Nintendo leverages their arcade-gaming roots in the modern day they leave Sony and Microsoft in the dust (Wii Sports, NSMB, Mario Kart DS/Wii, DKC Returns). When they try to emulate their PC-lite competitors with crap like Other M or 3D Mario, they suffer for it (like it has done to the 3DS). I'm figuring since Jim left Nintendo out of this video he seems to perhaps implicitly understand this.
Third parties fled from PC to consoles because they were basically dongles for DRM and harder to pirate games through. Unfortunately when they fled from PC gaming others were able to upstart and breathe some life from the husk they left behind and were eager to adapt to the unique challenges of making games on the internet in a world with bit torrent and piracy. With stuff like Steam or games like Minecraft, and Blizzard continuing to make and maintain blockbuster games even when much of the game industry had written PC gaming off, and the economy making traditional graphics masturbatory games even more financially unfeasible, we're likely to see the end of the dumbed down PC consoles after this next generation.
Which leaves Nintendo to adhere to their console-arcade roots. If you can get their developers to stop masturbating their 3D output obsession long enough to actually follow through with things like having good motion controls, more good arcade-style games, and just making new games in general.
When the game industry crashes (which is imminent at this point, it's a little too late to turn the cooling unit back on), we'll likely see Sony and Microsoft exit gaming along with it since much of their software depends on traditional third party support. Much of which is dying off right now as we speak.
Third parties fled from PC to consoles because they were basically dongles for DRM and harder to pirate games through. Unfortunately when they fled from PC gaming others were able to upstart and breathe some life from the husk they left behind and were eager to adapt to the unique challenges of making games on the internet in a world with bit torrent and piracy. With stuff like Steam or games like Minecraft, and Blizzard continuing to make and maintain blockbuster games even when much of the game industry had written PC gaming off, and the economy making traditional graphics masturbatory games even more financially unfeasible, we're likely to see the end of the dumbed down PC consoles after this next generation.
Which leaves Nintendo to adhere to their console-arcade roots. If you can get their developers to stop masturbating their 3D output obsession long enough to actually follow through with things like having good motion controls, more good arcade-style games, and just making new games in general.
When the game industry crashes (which is imminent at this point, it's a little too late to turn the cooling unit back on), we'll likely see Sony and Microsoft exit gaming along with it since much of their software depends on traditional third party support. Much of which is dying off right now as we speak.
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