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- Shame on you publishers. You ruin my weekends lately.
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- Shame on you publishers. You ruin my weekends lately.
Dear Jim -
I signed up for Gamefly's Beta PC Client. I bought Dragon Age 1 and during my install, it demanded I sign up for Bioware forum. Then, it demanded I install EA's Origin!!!!!!
WTF! Please cover this! If not, I still love you!
I signed up for Gamefly's Beta PC Client. I bought Dragon Age 1 and during my install, it demanded I sign up for Bioware forum. Then, it demanded I install EA's Origin!!!!!!
WTF! Please cover this! If not, I still love you!
Actually thought you would be talking about the Mexican cartels who have added software pressing and smuggling to their mainstays of weapons, drugs, and people.
Lol I love these videos and I totally agree. Pirated something affordable, pro consumer, and non corporate (especially if it's donating to a charity) isn't legal theft, it's moral theft. It's just dickish.
Also, since the 2012 NDAA was signed I can't bring myself to vote for an incumbent president who took away the civil liberties I have under the Bill of Rights, and Mitt Romney is a fuck bag. Jim Sterling 2012. I live in New York, so fuck it. My vote doesn't matter anyway. Might as well do a write in for shits and gigs.
Also, since the 2012 NDAA was signed I can't bring myself to vote for an incumbent president who took away the civil liberties I have under the Bill of Rights, and Mitt Romney is a fuck bag. Jim Sterling 2012. I live in New York, so fuck it. My vote doesn't matter anyway. Might as well do a write in for shits and gigs.
I bet a lot of those pirates were kids with no income or credit cards... So the most convenient and maybe the only way is to just pirate it. That was me back then, please don't saw my genitals.
I want to agree with you, but the harshness of your position makes that difficult.
The HIB actually loses money if you pay 1 cent for it. Isn't it, then, better to pirate it? (By the way, I consistently pay above the average for the HIB.)
I just can't get over how shitty the whole "oh noes teh poor indie developers" argument is. The HIB consistently makes a ton of money. World of Goo also sold very well, even before it was in the HIB.
Indie developers who make games that are worth the money will do well. Indie game development is a business, not a charity. Piracy is a fact of life, and no amount of bitching on the internet will change that. If I were poor, I would probably pirate all of my games, and that includes indie games. I pay for games because I'm a bourgeois motherfucker.
You know what's stealing? People selling bootleg copies of games are stealing.
The HIB actually loses money if you pay 1 cent for it. Isn't it, then, better to pirate it? (By the way, I consistently pay above the average for the HIB.)
I just can't get over how shitty the whole "oh noes teh poor indie developers" argument is. The HIB consistently makes a ton of money. World of Goo also sold very well, even before it was in the HIB.
Indie developers who make games that are worth the money will do well. Indie game development is a business, not a charity. Piracy is a fact of life, and no amount of bitching on the internet will change that. If I were poor, I would probably pirate all of my games, and that includes indie games. I pay for games because I'm a bourgeois motherfucker.
You know what's stealing? People selling bootleg copies of games are stealing.
I think this goes to show, how some portion of pirates simply will not pay for anything. So considering them lost sales is nonsense. these people will not pay 1 cent for a collection of extrodinary games. So those seeding/leeching figures on torrent sites are massivly deceptive.
..... the scary thing is I'm half tempted to write you in on my ballet.
Oh politics where you don't so much willingly vote for a candidate as much as you are voting against the other guy ~.~
Oh politics where you don't so much willingly vote for a candidate as much as you are voting against the other guy ~.~
I would pay to see Sterling have a go at castrating some one with that wooden chainsword. It'd take at least 10 minutes. :P
It's true. If a game wasn't available at the click of a button on a site to download a copy of it and instantly play it at no charge, would they still play it? Probably not I think.
For these same people, it might just be that it is just so much easier to pirate the game. Perhaps if the games were available in another way that was just as easy or easier as pirating it, they may do it that way and give some cash at the same time. Maybe.
For these same people, it might just be that it is just so much easier to pirate the game. Perhaps if the games were available in another way that was just as easy or easier as pirating it, they may do it that way and give some cash at the same time. Maybe.
I'll freely admit to the fact that I downloaded World of Goo illegally. I felt so dirty that I bought it on both the PC and Android a while later. Such a good game deserves much more money than it got. Does that make me a pedophile burglar? I don't think so. I mean, they got my money anyway, and I own it twice, but I suppose it's debatable. Maybe I'm just an ex-pedophile burglar. Or something.
I know that piracy is wrong, and I haven't pirated anything since. I guess since I started gaming mostly on my PC and using Steam, it just makes piracy less of a viable alternative and it doesn't have the service that Steam does. People should just buy their games! Seriously, doods, it's not too bad to spend some money every once in a while to support the developers out there. Don't put a bad name on PC gamers...
I know that piracy is wrong, and I haven't pirated anything since. I guess since I started gaming mostly on my PC and using Steam, it just makes piracy less of a viable alternative and it doesn't have the service that Steam does. People should just buy their games! Seriously, doods, it's not too bad to spend some money every once in a while to support the developers out there. Don't put a bad name on PC gamers...
It is just as simple as do not pirate games peeps, seriously there are so many avenues you can take to get your game playing experience. I think the problem resides with the "Whadda mean you have NOT played X yet, are you really a gamer?" phenomenon. I think people feel this urge to have to have every game known to man, but as we all know, this mentality is futile unless you are a multi-millionaire. There is so many legitimately FREE games, that are released with no strings attached (I mean actually 100% sexy free). To pirate is not truly necessary. Then when you have the indie bundles which are releasing games for a pay as much as you can afford model, I mean there is nearly zero reason to have to pirate.
The problem with a "Pay What You Want" pricing structure is that, technically, one could make the argument that the price that they wanted to pay was $0.
You forget the pirates who are still pirating software the old way and selling it for personal profits, which is still very common overseas and is imho much worse than pirating for personal use, but yeah anyone who pirates cheap indie games...For shame.
Those 20 dollars that the western people find cheap is a 3 week salary of a person working as a janitor at a mall in eastern countries like India....
@mattrod288
Yes the HIB makes a lot of money but you have to realize some of that is going to charity and most are under paying it's true value. So even if you see they made $5 million dollars from the whole thing, if you did the math of the true value and number of sales, you'd see it should be more along the lines of $18 million dollars, again pretty much half going to charity most likely. I use those numbers as an example of course.
Of course no amount of justice or bitching will change this at all, sadly. That is what is upsetting. I don't even know of publishers and all that look at Jim's videos or developers and if they even care or realize that he speaks the truth, especially about his previous 2 videos. Just some people refuse to see how true something is because they just aren't too smart or blinded by greed.
It feels the only way all this might get some change is if developers all went on strike against publishers and some of us as gamers support them until some kind of change happens. Even then things might not end up for the better. Seriously I mean games should be $40 at most and the creator should have right to his creation, not the publisher.
As for the indie developers, it is sad to have so many people pirate a game, games that are darn cheap like $10 or less. I mean really, can't spend that much yet so willing to spend $60 on a publisher game? All we can do is bitch and rant but nothing will ever change. Man I swear people are just such slime and as Jim said, Pedophile Burglars. With just about everything, not just gaming and piracy. Such a messed up corrupt world that none of us can change unless we had magic super powers or something which of course that too obviously won't ever happen.
I wonder if that is why I haven't felt like gaming much as I use to. The more truth I see about how messed up the game industry has become, the less I feel like playing games, on a subconcious level. I wish I felt like playing games more often like I use to when I was younger. These days it is this whole, I have to feel like playing the game and even then I am hesitant to start it up. How I should know by now that I should just start playing and I will likely feel like it after playing it for awhile. I know rather off topic but eh...
Yes the HIB makes a lot of money but you have to realize some of that is going to charity and most are under paying it's true value. So even if you see they made $5 million dollars from the whole thing, if you did the math of the true value and number of sales, you'd see it should be more along the lines of $18 million dollars, again pretty much half going to charity most likely. I use those numbers as an example of course.
Of course no amount of justice or bitching will change this at all, sadly. That is what is upsetting. I don't even know of publishers and all that look at Jim's videos or developers and if they even care or realize that he speaks the truth, especially about his previous 2 videos. Just some people refuse to see how true something is because they just aren't too smart or blinded by greed.
It feels the only way all this might get some change is if developers all went on strike against publishers and some of us as gamers support them until some kind of change happens. Even then things might not end up for the better. Seriously I mean games should be $40 at most and the creator should have right to his creation, not the publisher.
As for the indie developers, it is sad to have so many people pirate a game, games that are darn cheap like $10 or less. I mean really, can't spend that much yet so willing to spend $60 on a publisher game? All we can do is bitch and rant but nothing will ever change. Man I swear people are just such slime and as Jim said, Pedophile Burglars. With just about everything, not just gaming and piracy. Such a messed up corrupt world that none of us can change unless we had magic super powers or something which of course that too obviously won't ever happen.
I wonder if that is why I haven't felt like gaming much as I use to. The more truth I see about how messed up the game industry has become, the less I feel like playing games, on a subconcious level. I wish I felt like playing games more often like I use to when I was younger. These days it is this whole, I have to feel like playing the game and even then I am hesitant to start it up. How I should know by now that I should just start playing and I will likely feel like it after playing it for awhile. I know rather off topic but eh...
I agree with this but also feel you can't have it both ways. It's wrong to pirate anything , indy or not.
I don't know Jim. Overall your views on piracy seem a little short sighted in terms of big publishers. I mean, I understand that it sucks the developer doesn't hold the license to the game, and the publisher does. But that's their collateral. Your argument there kind of reminds me of the music industry. People saying the artist hardly makes any money off the CD and so why support it? But if it wasn't for the game publishers these AAA titles we love so much wouldn't be able to happen in the first place. Pirating means publishers are less likely to take chances on other titles. It means more sequels, and prequels.
I would also like your views on why the these big publishers are bleeding right now. Most people who defend piracy make it out like the publishers are laughing all the way to bank. But one look at the business section of any newspaper will tell you different. Its not just THQ. Everyone is losing money right now. I don't support DRM and online passes, but for whatever reason the industry is not as healthy as it would appear. Personally I think the cost of games is too high along with development cycles that are too long. Not to mention games probably are too cheap at $60 with the cost of development.
I understand why people pirate, and I'm not judging. Its personally not for me. If I can't afford a game, or I can't wait a few months for it to drop in price, than I just do without. But I don't think the publishers are being entirely dishonest when they say piracy, and used games are hurting them. I'd be interested in hearing what your solution would be.
I would also like your views on why the these big publishers are bleeding right now. Most people who defend piracy make it out like the publishers are laughing all the way to bank. But one look at the business section of any newspaper will tell you different. Its not just THQ. Everyone is losing money right now. I don't support DRM and online passes, but for whatever reason the industry is not as healthy as it would appear. Personally I think the cost of games is too high along with development cycles that are too long. Not to mention games probably are too cheap at $60 with the cost of development.
I understand why people pirate, and I'm not judging. Its personally not for me. If I can't afford a game, or I can't wait a few months for it to drop in price, than I just do without. But I don't think the publishers are being entirely dishonest when they say piracy, and used games are hurting them. I'd be interested in hearing what your solution would be.
I know of a few people who pirated the Humble indie bundle and it was not because they where not willing to pay 0.01$ but just because they didn't have things like a credit card and had parents unwilling to buy games like that online. I know it is still wrong what they did but its less black and white than you may think at first. There is also the matter of people pirating the bundles because they missed them. I think only a very low percentage of the people pirates those bundles because they are not willing to pay ones cent. Still the group pirating them because they where to late to buy them is clearly in the wrong imo unless they pay double when they are buying the next one.
I have pirated indie games before, BUT, if they were ones that i played for more than 5 seconds, or rather for more than demonstration length then i specifically went out of my way to buy their game(s).
I agree with this but also feel you can't have it both ways. It's wrong to pirate anything , indy or not.
Haven't you learned anything in your time in the States Jim? If you want any chance of winning the 2012 Presidential Election you must:
1. rejected all your principles
2. become a lobbyist cocksucker
3. have a stillborn baby and pretend it's alive by having it sleep with your children (if you dont have your own already, the government can import some really cheap ones for the sake of your campaign).
Seriously though, fuck anybody who can't buy an inexpensive Wiiware game like WoG.
1. rejected all your principles
2. become a lobbyist cocksucker
3. have a stillborn baby and pretend it's alive by having it sleep with your children (if you dont have your own already, the government can import some really cheap ones for the sake of your campaign).
Seriously though, fuck anybody who can't buy an inexpensive Wiiware game like WoG.
Love the Bucky O'Hair reference. And yes, these people deserve to be ridiculed.
With us moving towards a future where games are a "service" that is streamed and we as consumers no longer actually have ownership over anything, these cunts have certainly earned part of the blame.
With us moving towards a future where games are a "service" that is streamed and we as consumers no longer actually have ownership over anything, these cunts have certainly earned part of the blame.
I hate to break it to you, Jim, but the reason people pirate indie games is the same reason that people pirate big publisher's games:
The games suck. And mind you, I don't pirate games at all. It's too technical to do and I sure as shit am not skilled enough to do it for the PC or any other platform. That being said even if I could I wouldn't bother to pirate most indie games because it's all a bunch of pretentious garbage anyways.
To frame it in another context, look at Notch. Someone says he wants to play Minecraft but can't afford it at this time. Notch tells him to just pirate it and then buy it when he's able to later. You know why Notch can say this?
***BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY MADE A GAME THAT PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO BUY!!!!***
If anything Notch illustrates how tough it is to be successful at making videogames, how much time and commitment it takes to make videogames, and that in order to be successful you need to make games. that. sell. Mainstream success, or at least striving to do so is what it takes to be successful in this industry, the end.
The real damning indictment of indie games, and I suspect another reason people pirate them, is a lot of them are download only games. No physical copy. No way to trade in or return it if you didn't like it. So at the end of the day, most indie games are just as guilty of the same crap a lot of the big publishers do, and even worse is that they should know better. But as I said, actually being successful in making games is harder than people think. A lot of these indie developers have no business being in this business, especially if they have the call to cry about not getting sales when they never intended to make their games palletable to the mass market to the begin with.
So in summary, no, I can't say I feel bad if people pirate "indie" games because at the end of the day they tend to be guilty of the same shit that the big publishers are. So if your intent was to guilt trip people on behalf of the poor little old pretentious indie game scene, sorry but the gaming market (and especially the mass market) is a cruel mistress, something that both the big publishers and upstarts are going to learn the hard way, especially in the middle of economic stagnation.
I can't stress this enough, if you want to be a successful game developer, then make. games. that. sell.
The games suck. And mind you, I don't pirate games at all. It's too technical to do and I sure as shit am not skilled enough to do it for the PC or any other platform. That being said even if I could I wouldn't bother to pirate most indie games because it's all a bunch of pretentious garbage anyways.
To frame it in another context, look at Notch. Someone says he wants to play Minecraft but can't afford it at this time. Notch tells him to just pirate it and then buy it when he's able to later. You know why Notch can say this?
***BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY MADE A GAME THAT PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO BUY!!!!***
If anything Notch illustrates how tough it is to be successful at making videogames, how much time and commitment it takes to make videogames, and that in order to be successful you need to make games. that. sell. Mainstream success, or at least striving to do so is what it takes to be successful in this industry, the end.
The real damning indictment of indie games, and I suspect another reason people pirate them, is a lot of them are download only games. No physical copy. No way to trade in or return it if you didn't like it. So at the end of the day, most indie games are just as guilty of the same crap a lot of the big publishers do, and even worse is that they should know better. But as I said, actually being successful in making games is harder than people think. A lot of these indie developers have no business being in this business, especially if they have the call to cry about not getting sales when they never intended to make their games palletable to the mass market to the begin with.
So in summary, no, I can't say I feel bad if people pirate "indie" games because at the end of the day they tend to be guilty of the same shit that the big publishers are. So if your intent was to guilt trip people on behalf of the poor little old pretentious indie game scene, sorry but the gaming market (and especially the mass market) is a cruel mistress, something that both the big publishers and upstarts are going to learn the hard way, especially in the middle of economic stagnation.
I can't stress this enough, if you want to be a successful game developer, then make. games. that. sell.
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