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Agreed. Don't create an issue then tell people they have to sacrifice out of necessity. Monster failure in logic.
Also, anyone know what shooter that is when he says "growing free to play market"? Is it that new Blacklight game?
Also, anyone know what shooter that is when he says "growing free to play market"? Is it that new Blacklight game?
BkV, you are totally correct!
I read an article here on Dtoid about some company using the excuse "oh we finished the game so we decided to just do some stuff and decided we can sell that as dlc so just put it on the disc"
All the excuses are rubbish. Disc Locked Content is a blight on the gaming industry and needs to die.
I read an article here on Dtoid about some company using the excuse "oh we finished the game so we decided to just do some stuff and decided we can sell that as dlc so just put it on the disc"
All the excuses are rubbish. Disc Locked Content is a blight on the gaming industry and needs to die.
Only watched a portion of the video with no audio. I agreed with the title.
Think about getting a better camera. This series has been going for awhile now, so might as well up the production.
Think about getting a better camera. This series has been going for awhile now, so might as well up the production.
Developers Lying Constantly.
MVC2 didn't need disc-locked content. I seem to remember accruing points to unlock characters.
MVC2 didn't need disc-locked content. I seem to remember accruing points to unlock characters.
That is one thing I miss about the last generation of consoles. The idea of DLC used to be, "Hey, you know that game you like? We made some new maps for it, enjoy! Also, drink Mountain Dew because they paid for this."
Actually, in the case of fighters, on disc dlc assets solve the whole problem of not being able to see / fight someone who does have the dlc in online. It doubles as a form as advertising as well as doesn't gimp the pool of available players if everyone can see everything.
So there's one reason.
So there's one reason.
Nice episode. The worm-eye closeup of Cliff was hilarious.
It's actually kind of difficult to put together a detailed counter-argument to Cliff's defense of on disc DLC, because it's just so obviously common sense that his statement was totally full of shit. After a minute or so, your eyes just kind of glaze over, like trying to explain to someone why it's not a good idea to put arsenic in chicken sandwiches. Eventually, the whole thing is just so mind-numbingly obvious, that I succumb to stupidity and apathy, just from close proximity to his ridiculous argument.
It's actually kind of difficult to put together a detailed counter-argument to Cliff's defense of on disc DLC, because it's just so obviously common sense that his statement was totally full of shit. After a minute or so, your eyes just kind of glaze over, like trying to explain to someone why it's not a good idea to put arsenic in chicken sandwiches. Eventually, the whole thing is just so mind-numbingly obvious, that I succumb to stupidity and apathy, just from close proximity to his ridiculous argument.
These 30 second commercials before videos actually make me give up on watching them most of the times. Sometimes the ads are even longer than videos...argh...
I'm totally ok with ads in videos, people need to make money somehow, but can we have some taste here? Like, skipping option, or at least a smaller commercial that encourages me to seek further if I want to =(
I'm totally ok with ads in videos, people need to make money somehow, but can we have some taste here? Like, skipping option, or at least a smaller commercial that encourages me to seek further if I want to =(
I just wish they would engage us on honest terms. If there is locked content on the disc that requires additional payment to enable after the initial purchase disclose it on the box and let consumers make an informed decision. But they know the optics of trying to sell us part of a product of a product we've already paid $60 dollars for are terrible. So enter the deception.
I think everyone knows that Jim needs a top hat and a monocle in that video. Obviously,the Escapist knows this and is going to charge us extra to add Jim's top hat and monocle into that episode even though they know full well that he is actually already wearing the both of them but they edited out the hat while adding another lens to the monocle while everyone in the Publisher's Club can see the Whole Truth for no additional charge.
Nice try, Escapist. Now, if if the video DLC has Jim in a bikini, you can bet that Pub Club subscriptions will be way up. Sex sells and all that.
Nice try, Escapist. Now, if if the video DLC has Jim in a bikini, you can bet that Pub Club subscriptions will be way up. Sex sells and all that.
Eventually they'll attempt to justify $69.99 price tags and more expensive DLC that will probably be on the damn disc. I can't be the only one who doesn't even bother with new games anymore. I still have a shitload of games I haven't even properly dived into because of other games (I'm pretty much addicted to bindings of isaac right now), work, life bullshit and well you know lack of interest when a title I've been waiting for comes along.
I still have old games to play with and new games that don't do this sort of thing. I don't NEED Capcom or Namco Bandai.
Jim, I reckon you should shut up and stop bitching. The world is in a recession, they need all the money they can get. Do you want the nice publishers to carry on making our shiny games?
I thought so, so shut the fuck up and buy their shit. Arrogant bastard.
I thought so, so shut the fuck up and buy their shit. Arrogant bastard.
Great episode Jimbo. BkV hit the nail on the head.
I have a feeling we'll all be telling this story to a younger gaming generation.
"Back in my day we paid for a game, then paid extra for the same fucking game!"
To which the future-kids reply with a hearty laugh.
I have a feeling we'll all be telling this story to a younger gaming generation.
"Back in my day we paid for a game, then paid extra for the same fucking game!"
To which the future-kids reply with a hearty laugh.
DLC is only a problem if you're too POOR to buy it, which most of you rednecks seem to be.
This isn't 2003 any more people. Times have changed, get used to it.
This isn't 2003 any more people. Times have changed, get used to it.
@Rogue257 We're complaining about on-disc DLC, which is shit that we PAYED for, but can't use it until we spend a fee to 'unlock' it.
@Rogue - You're right, this isn't 2003. We had on-disc DLC back then in games like Return to Castle WolfensteIn.
It's 2012, the industry should have evolved past such cheap tactics by now, instead they're more common.
Nothing has changed about DLC, it just gets more shameless about exploiting consumers.
It's 2012, the industry should have evolved past such cheap tactics by now, instead they're more common.
Nothing has changed about DLC, it just gets more shameless about exploiting consumers.
Words of Wisdom Jim. You are dead on with this one. On Disc content is not download - no excuses it's just a rip off.
@rogue257 If you think the only thing keeping these publishing companies afloat is DLC....you're a fucking idiot. A recession doesnt mean that companies have to find a way to short-change customers for their hard-earned cash.
If the people keep buying it they will keep making it. Simple really. If you don't agree with it don't buy it. Pretty much all of the gaming market is now based in Capitilist greed. Speaking of which so are streaming video sites such as TwitchTV and Youtube. Do people really need to wait through a 30 second commercial before they watch what they actually wanted to. Same thing when I clicked on your video Jim, had to wait for commercial to end. Seems the capitilist system is more powerful than an opinion about on disc DLC, apparently we need to sustain bullshit before we are told anything you have to say. Kind of confusing really. Greed outweighs anything else.
I wish Bayonetta sold like CoD. That game featured amazing gameplay, shit loads of content, and none of it was DLC. All the garbage that's being thrown into the game as on-disc DLC should simply be part of the game.
Is the full interview available to see somewhere? Because I never though Blezinsky was excusing, just explaining it. All I've seen is the couple of sentences quoted by Gamespot though.
Gamers have no idea about how markets work. I'm not a big fan of micro-DLC at all, don't get me wrong. However, potential profit attracts investment. As crazy as it may sound, Publishers give the green-light to DLC because they expect to make money on it. The teams that created, for example, the extra characters for SFxT were doing it.. because they were getting paid to do it. Why were they paid to do it? Again... because Capcom thought they could make money off of it. What happens if you take the DLC option away? What content gets made, and what content doesn't? How does the content
that does get made get released?
Who knows? Undoubtedly, some of it doesn't get made. Some of it would probably get released in a future update to SFxT. Some of it would've been released as actual DLC (emphasis on the D and L there). Still, the other option was never going to be "make the extra content anyway and give it away on day 1." That may sound great to 17 year olds posting on game websites, but it makes no sense for the actual -companies- trying to stay afloat.
Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Capcom has handled this in the best way. I hate micro-DLC, even if I -do- think it can be "justified." I'm also not really eager to buy any Capcom products after Ultimate MvC3. I'm not trying to defend Capcom. I guess I just hate the moral high-handedness of this all. Game companies are not evil. Their actions are not "unjustifiable" or unambiguously immoral. That's just absurd.
that does get made get released?
Who knows? Undoubtedly, some of it doesn't get made. Some of it would probably get released in a future update to SFxT. Some of it would've been released as actual DLC (emphasis on the D and L there). Still, the other option was never going to be "make the extra content anyway and give it away on day 1." That may sound great to 17 year olds posting on game websites, but it makes no sense for the actual -companies- trying to stay afloat.
Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Capcom has handled this in the best way. I hate micro-DLC, even if I -do- think it can be "justified." I'm also not really eager to buy any Capcom products after Ultimate MvC3. I'm not trying to defend Capcom. I guess I just hate the moral high-handedness of this all. Game companies are not evil. Their actions are not "unjustifiable" or unambiguously immoral. That's just absurd.
It's been interesting watching the evolution of shiny unlocks.
8 bit/16 bit era - really no such thing. What you see is what you get.
32/64 bit era - Beat the game, get some cute unlocks for your next playthrough.
128 bit era - combination of 32/64 bit era as well as games where you accumulate points to purchase unlocks in-game.
PS3/Xbox360 era - Everything you would have gotten for free or as a reward for beating the game/prize for skill is now behind a wall of money.
Obviously there were probably titles that had cool unlocks even back on the old systems, but this is just a general reflection. It's disgusting having to pay a bunch extra for something that used to be a fun little addon. Very little content is worth paying extra for these days. I enjoyed paying a few dollars for the Red Dead Redemption zombie addon because it felt like a real, standalone title vs the garbage that is horse armour or colour unlocks for fighting games.
What I'd like to see is have some of these worthless unlocks be tied to the garbage achievement system. Rather than getting a bunch of e-peen points we can actually get a tangible reward. Uncharted 2 had a nice point system where in-game achievements rewarded you points to unlock silly little things like new costumes and unlimited ammo for your weapons. That makes getting achievements both valuable and fun.
8 bit/16 bit era - really no such thing. What you see is what you get.
32/64 bit era - Beat the game, get some cute unlocks for your next playthrough.
128 bit era - combination of 32/64 bit era as well as games where you accumulate points to purchase unlocks in-game.
PS3/Xbox360 era - Everything you would have gotten for free or as a reward for beating the game/prize for skill is now behind a wall of money.
Obviously there were probably titles that had cool unlocks even back on the old systems, but this is just a general reflection. It's disgusting having to pay a bunch extra for something that used to be a fun little addon. Very little content is worth paying extra for these days. I enjoyed paying a few dollars for the Red Dead Redemption zombie addon because it felt like a real, standalone title vs the garbage that is horse armour or colour unlocks for fighting games.
What I'd like to see is have some of these worthless unlocks be tied to the garbage achievement system. Rather than getting a bunch of e-peen points we can actually get a tangible reward. Uncharted 2 had a nice point system where in-game achievements rewarded you points to unlock silly little things like new costumes and unlimited ammo for your weapons. That makes getting achievements both valuable and fun.
Wasn't the necessary evil quote intended as necessary FOR DLC? Not for your game to be complete, but for DLC to work... Just look at Valve. Every piece of content they release has been free except for TF2. TF2 solves the problem that fighting games have where not everyone has the DLC by requiring everyone to download that content...for free. Valve gets it, and yet they didn't do this for TF2 on the consoles? Why? Well one of those reasons is Microsoft. I think a lot of companies are greedy yes, but it doesn't help when the console itself doesn't allow for companies to release 200 MB updates whenever they want like Steam allows.
@killias2- People generally understand that point and have made as much clear the many other times that this issue is bought up. I myself have already stated a preference for a lack of hidden fees though most companies seem reluctant to move away from the standard $60 new price point or to bundle cheap 'feelies' along with the game to make it seem worth the price the way that they did prior to this game generation.
Then again, if one points out that companies such as Working Designs and Sega used to charge more for their games (in the case of Phantasy Star 4, a whole $100 USD),those companies' fortunes might be a compelling argument to go ahead hiding those costs to maximize profit. It doesn't hurt Bioware when they issue their 'Collector's Editions' which actually just provide full access to the on-disc content,though.
Then again, if one points out that companies such as Working Designs and Sega used to charge more for their games (in the case of Phantasy Star 4, a whole $100 USD),those companies' fortunes might be a compelling argument to go ahead hiding those costs to maximize profit. It doesn't hurt Bioware when they issue their 'Collector's Editions' which actually just provide full access to the on-disc content,though.
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