Jim: I'm your friend.
Me:... with benefits?

I appreciate everything you have done for me Jim, you changed my game son.

Game of the Year editions or "complete editions" are annoying as I feel ripped off for buying the game on launch day. I just bought my first GOTY edition game (Batman:AA) and I can see why people wait, such a good deal.

You are my friend?..... So why dont you answer me on msn all those time i said hi... how insulting

I wanted LA noire since the day it came out, but I had too many games to paly and too little money to buy it at 60 bucks. Then I waited and when i had the time and the money, and the price was low enough, they announced the GOTY edition... so I decided to wait for that, but by the time it came out, onter games had occupied my gaming time and my money. What ended up happenning, is that i finally bought the GOTY edition of the game. Which has tons of DLC included plus the originally 60 bucks game.

People who bought it new spent i believe 90 dollars on all the stuff. i payed 20.

It's a fair point. If it's a game I know I'll be ok with not playing right when it releases, especially if I know it'll have a lot of DLC I'll want to play, I just wait for the GOTY/complete edition. Why wouldn't I?

As excited as I am for Kingdoms of Amalur, I had to raise an eyebrow at the two rather expensive collector's editions for a new IP. But hey, nobody has to buy it!

I would have your kids through my nose, because you are always right about everything. And how you know that everyone's a money whoring cunt, and don't dance around it. For this, you can shag my nose. I'm having an artificial womb put in my skull right now for you. Enjoy it.

It's pretty sad when a new game is coming out I can expect a 'complete' edition of. The second I heard L.A. Noire was having a Season Pass, I immediately told myself to wait for some sort of complete edition. Lo and behold, six months later, there it was. AND it was on sale for a day for only $20, saving myself about $65+.

Now, if you get a 'full experience' out of the game before all this crap, that's cool (I bought Red Redemption full price when it came out and still don't regret it even if I bought all the DLC separately), but this isn't the case most of the time. With games coming out left and right, sometimes I won't get around to playing a particular game until the 'complete edition' comes out, and that's what bothers me.

Oh well.

This is essentially how I feel about MvC 3. I was a huge fan of the original so I thought about buying it day 1, then after Hearing about the game feeling incomplete I waited for the Ultimate Version, and now that the ultimate version has a bunch of DLC I don't even know when I'm going to get the game anymore.

This is why I like Nintendo they only release one version of a game. It's simple I never have to worry about which version of a game to buy. I'm hoping that their new DLC plan actually adds to a game instead of taking away like many other developers are doing.

Thank you, (The) Jimquisition, for this succulent blob of glistening truthiness.

Jim, I can't tell if you're trolling with the "Thank me for all the shit I do."

If you are not: Doing this shit is your fucking job. We don't owe you any special thanks.

I love that Enslaved example. I bought it brand new off of Amazon for $7.99 back in November.

I stopped buying single player games at release after Oblivion got the GOTY edition. I have so many games in my backlog, I'm not in any rush to buy anything any more; unless it's multiplayer and a bunch of my friends are getting it (Borderlands).

Otherwise, I'll wait for the GOTY edition or a price drop. There are just so many games that come out each week that I can wait for a sale on even the best games.

So true...

I can wait until September for Mass Effect 3, when the price drops to $20 or $30 dollars. Then I will pick it up, along with any DLC that has been released.

I don't trust Jim when he talks about used games- it's the only subject I don't like him talking about. Paint Gamestop with the same guilty brush as the game publishers because it's a chicken and egg scenario. Gamestop has been fucking people with ripoff used game prices long before the rules of downloadable content became such lunacy. Having said that, the publishers are money grubbing bastards too that need to be taken down a notch.

If you are a working class hero you should criticize Gamestop too.

Jim, I can't tell if you're trolling with the "Thank me for all the shit I do."

If you are not: Doing this shit is your fucking job. We don't owe you any special thanks.

This was a really good one. I switched to PC/Steam because I'm tired of everything you've said. I've started waiting for Steam sales for a lot of new games because the asking price is just too insane. Dead Space 1 and 2 for $10 last weekend. That says it all. I would have felt stupid had I bought that brand new. Also got Rage, LA Noire and a shit ton of other games I got over the holiday sale for under $60 in total.

I felt kinda stupid for buying EDF:IA for $20 over the weekend, and I'm even enjoying the fuck out of the game. Because I know it's going to drop even less. Kinda feel dumb.

Getting mad at consumers for not spending $120+ a month on games is ridiculous.

So thank you good sir. Many good point were made.

THANKS...

GOD

I won't lie, i buy 2nd hand or wait for price drops out of budgetary reasons alone but every once in a while i used to question if i was shitting on devs until i started watching the general trend of GOTY Editions, day one DLC and patches for the tons of glitches and bugs, then i got even more encouraged to keep doing it unlike "true fans" that get the less for more money.

I remember someone here (i think it was Tony Ponce) once wrote about how if the industry continued this path it might experience another collapse like the 80's, at that time i really hoped it wouldn't, but now? i actually hope it happens and you know why? because those that are in it for profit and exploiting the consumer will walk away but those in it that actually care for the industry AND the costumer (devs like Valve, Nintendo, Gaijin Games, Team Meat, Inafune, Platinum Games, etc.) will bring it back from the ashes just like back then and start anew free of all the bullshit.

I think an Elder Scrolls game is a bit of a different case, well, at it is again. Oblivion started that horse armor garbage and Knights of the Nine, so we can't full well let it off the hook.

But Morrowind and Skyrim? Hundreds of hours of content in the base games and then possibly a couple expansions that add more?

See people have forgotten what expansions were like THANKS to DLC. They just think they're the same thing. There's a HUGE difference between a proper expansion to an already full experience and an add-on that might have carved a few hours out of a much, much smaller game by design (see: Mass Effect series).

By and large yes, publishers are digging themselves into a hole because they're following the EA model now. They're choosing to make the consumer and the retailer the enemy by trying to control how the game is bought and sold and manipulating the content as a means to do so - but let's target the right games here.

Mortal Kombat and LA Noire had no excuses, Mass Effect and Uncharted never has had a good excuse for it. It was all nickel-and-diming the consumer.

Skyrim, though? We're pretty damn lucky to still have games that can come out with 400+ hours of content out of the gate and hold the promise of new, future content. I won't begrudge someone who gets around to it later if they had plenty else to play, but don't do it on the basis that you felt the full experience wasn't there, because that's bullshit.

Oblivion can take the heat because it did start some of this shit and it was pretty pointless that it did.

Moral of the story: Horse Armor, Knights of the nine - bad. Shivering Isles - good.

there's nothing wrong with GOTY and Complete Editions.

they should do what SSFIV AE and Red Dead Redemption did.

just put all content on disc nothing more.

that way you can buy the normal edition for cheap, then buy the dlc if you want to or not.

the bad thing about complete edition is that some games make the vanilla version worthless.

example MVC3>>>>UMVC, Blazblue CS2>>>>>Extend(do not know why they won't make the balance patch, then again this seems like a complete new game with new modes, reworked CS story and such)

also the good thing about GOTY or Complete editions is because in fighting games, you don't have to worry about putting your account during tournaments since sometimes not everyone bought the dlc.

plus it's convenient to put the disc and everything is in there :P

This is basically how I feel about any Bethesda/Rockstar game. Might as well wait a year and get everything that goes with it then. Its why I haven't got New Vegas yet. Oh whens that Complete edition come out anyways?

Apparently he can't be bothered with HTML 5 either. Not compatible with iOS, means I'm not watching. I can't be bothered with sitting down at my boring PC.

I always buy my games brand new but much later when prices drop. And even if by then, an ultimate/complete edition of the game I'm buying has been released for probably much less, I'd still get the original launch version. The cover art for those editions look horrible most of the time. They're not so different but there's just too verbose, plastered with additional texts. Just me being kind of purist... and an idiot.

You have a point. I think the bigger problem is just many of us are trying to get by in a shit-tastic economy and if the price is going to drop in a couple of months, why not just wait? It's not necessarily that I'm suspicious every game is going to get a GOTY/Complete edition. In fact that is rarely a factor in my decision of whether or not to wait for a game...

However, I would be able to get more games at launch if publishers were *honest* about the value of their product and $60 wasn't standard fare for every retail home console game. Handheld games already do this, so it shouldn't be hard for console games to do it too. If your game's campaign is the main or sole focus and it's only 8 hours long, how fucking dare you expect us to spend $60 on it. If you were to price at at say $30-40 at launch, I'd gladly get it when it comes out, and encourage all my friends to do the same too.

THANK YOU, JIM!

I don't mind complete editions for games like elderscrolls that normally do expansions but I will say something like homefront is stupid where it has only a few measly map packs.