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how can an uninstall take 40 minutes? Was it several terrabytes large? Or was it just a sony product.
People are just pissed that Anita is a brilliant scam artist. She took something that people (for some fucking reason) are sensitive about and exploited it. Her videos had always been private, or had the comments blocked. Then she started the Kickstarter, knowing full well what kind of reaction she would get. She knew the type of hate she would get if she went viral so she created that video and opened up the comments to let the internet take its course. Rabid gamers foamed at the mouth and attacked the video, leading to the mass amount of press coverage and now she has $150k in her pocket.
The funniest part is that she's weeks late for her first video and she is actually asking the backers to submit lists of games which fall into sexist tropes. She's not even doing her own research. The woman is truly brilliant.
The funniest part is that she's weeks late for her first video and she is actually asking the backers to submit lists of games which fall into sexist tropes. She's not even doing her own research. The woman is truly brilliant.
So much right with this is hurts my senses. I truly think the attacks came from those who do not care about the destruction they cause. They wouldn't want a reasoned debate, they only want to spout off and leave. Positive growth is next to impossible in the current environment and don't see how to change it.
To me it seems people still don't care too much about her actual videos or what she has to say, she's just treated as a symbol by both sides.
Geez, I'm glad I finished with this thing months ago. You're right though, Jim. Even when this shit first started all the reasonable arguments were buried under the much more prominent and easier to defend against bullshit commentary from children and under-developed man-children.
They conveniently ignore people with legitimate points because, like in politics, it is much much easier to defend against the stupid masses who can't think 2 minutes in front of their faces.
They conveniently ignore people with legitimate points because, like in politics, it is much much easier to defend against the stupid masses who can't think 2 minutes in front of their faces.
I don't really care about this women, nor her opinions, but I don't agree with your idea or ignoring something as a solution. If people don't like something they should in fact complain about it. Not so much make death threats, but complaining. Yes. ignoring things is never the solution to anything.
It's a shame we had to have every possible video game impact on society discussion in a one week period. What a week though!
On a lighter note: it's very telling that she's having to ask OTHER PEOPLE to do her job for her. She can't decide what sexism is?
Sounds like a bunch of you chumps got scammed real good.
+10,000 lulz harvested
Sounds like a bunch of you chumps got scammed real good.
+10,000 lulz harvested
She's still a thing? One tweet about Ico pretty much destroyed any expectation of anything original or interesting coming from this.
@DaShiz
Why would you go and make yourself look like exactly the kind of stooge this video is calling out? Not just kinda, you literally hit ever last point made dead on the mark, right down to the knee-jerk insanoreaction that implies heavily you didn't even bother to watch the video in the first place.
It is people like you that exist only to ensure real conversation never takes place. How about kindly stepping aside if you can't grasp what's happening, rather than letting it anger you to the point that you create a false reality that you can grasp, and using it to make us all look bad.
Why would you go and make yourself look like exactly the kind of stooge this video is calling out? Not just kinda, you literally hit ever last point made dead on the mark, right down to the knee-jerk insanoreaction that implies heavily you didn't even bother to watch the video in the first place.
It is people like you that exist only to ensure real conversation never takes place. How about kindly stepping aside if you can't grasp what's happening, rather than letting it anger you to the point that you create a false reality that you can grasp, and using it to make us all look bad.
I'm gonna watch her videos once they come out (and I'm sure I'll know because everyone will say something once they do) and I'm going to try to restart the discussion from a rational point, even if everyone says it's a lost cause. Giving up on this would be the same as being complicit, in my mind.
I don't give a damn about her, the work she does do is done well whether her points are well researched or agreed upon by the masses. She doesn't represent anyone, she's another person on the web right now. I'm not offended by her or the whole ordeal.
People need to get over her, donate money if you want, watch if you want or don't, but stop getting psychotic about someone you never met who is doing something you can't cos you're stuck up your own ass, pretending to understand women when you're neither one nor accustom to their issues (not to negate the issues of men, but seen as this is a feminism related subject the last sentence exists for looney obssessive individuals out there.)
People need to get over her, donate money if you want, watch if you want or don't, but stop getting psychotic about someone you never met who is doing something you can't cos you're stuck up your own ass, pretending to understand women when you're neither one nor accustom to their issues (not to negate the issues of men, but seen as this is a feminism related subject the last sentence exists for looney obssessive individuals out there.)
I don't really like Anita's videos. I watched her original tropes videos talking about movies, and she used a lot of examples that weren't correct and really showed that she hadn't even watched the movies she was talking about (or didn't understand them.) I don't really trust she'll do a better job with these videos, but hey, I didn't pay for them.
That said, the correct response is to not watch her videos. The threats and hate are disgusting and unwarranted.
That said, the correct response is to not watch her videos. The threats and hate are disgusting and unwarranted.
Shinta is right though!!! You really need to shut the fuck up about the Resistance 3 install OR ELSE I AM RAPE YOU.
wow i haven't herd about her, 0.0 anyways jim is god so there for what ever he says is right, and i will obey :p but why did so many people attack her so much? seriously if some one's option doesn't sit well with you just respect and move on it or ignore it instead of building up your rage so much you make a game of punching the person in the face 0.O lol
@alan
Do you make it your lifes objective to tell everybody how wrong they are?
Dashiz raised some valid points (especially the last one) and you failed to engage any of them. Should we stop questioning things just because some assholes took it too far? Is Anita exempt from analysis because trolls will be trolls?
No one here is impressed because you think you are always right you objectionable little tool.
Do you make it your lifes objective to tell everybody how wrong they are?
Dashiz raised some valid points (especially the last one) and you failed to engage any of them. Should we stop questioning things just because some assholes took it too far? Is Anita exempt from analysis because trolls will be trolls?
No one here is impressed because you think you are always right you objectionable little tool.
Humor seems all but gone from the Jimquisition. All that's left are intelligent discussions sandwiched between Willem Dafoe.
I've managed to avoid everything about this lady (including this video). I know MANY female gamers that would be more than happy to share their opinions on all things female and game related, all the industry would have to do is ask! I value gamers' opinions moreso than a non-gamer when it comes to these things.
@Bakewell
You're a strange man for investing yourself so heavily in everything I do, but I'll indulge you anyway.
I made it my business to shit on everyone who decides to take this subject in an obviously ridiculous direction because, the first few times it rolled around, I was mostly silent. After seeing how awful things got, I decided i'd like calling the bullshit out and be hated for it than more to ignore it.
Did you watch the video either? He's doing exactly what this video explicitly calls out for being complete bullshit. If you believe those are valid points here, maybe you should be arguing with Jim and not myself.
You know, for all the name calling you do, you never seem to make a point at all. You just seem to condescend for the sake of it, never really offering anything up.
You're a strange man for investing yourself so heavily in everything I do, but I'll indulge you anyway.
I made it my business to shit on everyone who decides to take this subject in an obviously ridiculous direction because, the first few times it rolled around, I was mostly silent. After seeing how awful things got, I decided i'd like calling the bullshit out and be hated for it than more to ignore it.
Did you watch the video either? He's doing exactly what this video explicitly calls out for being complete bullshit. If you believe those are valid points here, maybe you should be arguing with Jim and not myself.
You know, for all the name calling you do, you never seem to make a point at all. You just seem to condescend for the sake of it, never really offering anything up.
@Bakewell
You're a strange man for investing yourself so heavily in everything I do, but I'll indulge you anyway.
I made it my business to shit on everyone who decides to take this subject in an obviously ridiculous direction because, the first few times it rolled around, I was mostly silent. After seeing how awful things got, I decided i'd like calling the bullshit out and be hated for it than more to ignore it.
Did you watch the video either? He's doing exactly what this video explicitly calls out for being complete bullshit. If you believe those are valid points here, maybe you should be arguing with Jim and not myself.
You know, for all the name calling you do, you never seem to make a point at all. You just seem to condescend for the sake of it, never really offering anything up.
You're a strange man for investing yourself so heavily in everything I do, but I'll indulge you anyway.
I made it my business to shit on everyone who decides to take this subject in an obviously ridiculous direction because, the first few times it rolled around, I was mostly silent. After seeing how awful things got, I decided i'd like calling the bullshit out and be hated for it than more to ignore it.
Did you watch the video either? He's doing exactly what this video explicitly calls out for being complete bullshit. If you believe those are valid points here, maybe you should be arguing with Jim and not myself.
You know, for all the name calling you do, you never seem to make a point at all. You just seem to condescend for the sake of it, never really offering anything up.
It seems everything has gone wrong in this whole kerfuffle. Trolls only manage to make Anita more successful, Anita appears to be overwhelmed with the project and money she has received and everyone else has stopped caring. I can't wait for this story to finally die.
Don't have the desire to look up Anita's work since it seems she doesn't add anything new to the discussion or have a unique perspective on the matter. Not to mention it seems she's not knowledgeable on a lot of the games she's talking about. I recommend people listen to the Sup Holmes episode with Anna Anthropy instead. I can't believe she got 150k on kickstarter for such a lame project.
I have nothing against someone having a proper discussion about women in video games if they have done their research, however after watching Anita Sarkeesian's review of Sucker Punch I don't think she's the right person for the job. Anita seemed to not know what she's actually talking about because either she didn't watch the film or she just didn't get it.
This whole mess was pretty much inevitable when it came to the internet. Someone does something stupid/offensive/unpopular, people get mad and spam how mad they are on the internet, original person gets popular. Pretty much how people like Rebecca Black and stupid internet memes become so well known. If the internet wasn't so full of ironically stupid idiots, she'd have stayed stuck in her own little niche.
@Chongomaster at this point it will go in two different ways. After she actually starts making vids, she'll either become even more widespread and hated across the internet, or more hopefully, she'll fall back into obscurity after people stop caring about her.
@Chongomaster at this point it will go in two different ways. After she actually starts making vids, she'll either become even more widespread and hated across the internet, or more hopefully, she'll fall back into obscurity after people stop caring about her.
Hey more power to her, this is America, fake it till you make it. Capitalism works for everyone and as P.T. Barnum is credited with saying "One is born every minute"
@RoOhDiNi - would the people given her the attention not be 'whore fodder' themselves and just as bad.
@Alan Argentina
I feel like I'm going to get myself into a can of worms for replying or even commenting at all on this issue, but while he could've been less condescending or gave a little more respect to the issue at hand, DaShiz did raise a point of view about her personality and her own morals. The latter of which has proven to be true in terms of moderating her own traffic and "fanbase". But it seems like you just latched onto his misunderstanding of feminism and turned him into a strawman for the issue of "those people".
There's things to be mad about with what DaShiz said, but he still has a point.
And really be careful about statements like this:
"I made it my business to shit on everyone who decides to take this subject in an obviously ridiculous direction... I decided i'd like calling the bullshit out and be hated for it than more to ignore it."
It really makes a mountain out of a molehill and reflects onto your character when people read your responses.
I'm not calling you out on it to be a dick or anything, I don't mean any ill will at all. I'm just concerned about the amount of flak you'll receive for voicing that "righteously justified" attitude, whether (as you stated) you'll be making some enemies from it. It's the internet, it's not worth it to get mad about things.
Or even as Jim has stated, you're now inciting drama by picking pointless fights with people who "don't get it" instead of ignoring it.
And hell, I'll even agree that I'm a hypocrite that's adding fuel to the fire by replying to you.
I feel like I'm going to get myself into a can of worms for replying or even commenting at all on this issue, but while he could've been less condescending or gave a little more respect to the issue at hand, DaShiz did raise a point of view about her personality and her own morals. The latter of which has proven to be true in terms of moderating her own traffic and "fanbase". But it seems like you just latched onto his misunderstanding of feminism and turned him into a strawman for the issue of "those people".
There's things to be mad about with what DaShiz said, but he still has a point.
And really be careful about statements like this:
"I made it my business to shit on everyone who decides to take this subject in an obviously ridiculous direction... I decided i'd like calling the bullshit out and be hated for it than more to ignore it."
It really makes a mountain out of a molehill and reflects onto your character when people read your responses.
I'm not calling you out on it to be a dick or anything, I don't mean any ill will at all. I'm just concerned about the amount of flak you'll receive for voicing that "righteously justified" attitude, whether (as you stated) you'll be making some enemies from it. It's the internet, it's not worth it to get mad about things.
Or even as Jim has stated, you're now inciting drama by picking pointless fights with people who "don't get it" instead of ignoring it.
And hell, I'll even agree that I'm a hypocrite that's adding fuel to the fire by replying to you.
So basically, what you're telling us is that this whole Anita Sarkeesian mess is Sony's fault? Egad! It seems so obvious when you spell it out for us like this, that's why we need you, Jim.
I'm curious about a few things.
The way that Anita goes about presenting her points and the horrific scandal surrounding what she's doing is completely wrong and I feel is creating such a huge wedge between male gamers and their female counterparts.
I myself am a female gamer, and I see that Anita is being arrogant and condescending in her criticism of things in popular media. These sorts of attitudes that there is a 'patriarchy' and that 'white straight males' are our monstrous overlords that keep us oppressed is a bunch of crap.
In all honesty, I think there ARE a lot of issues that need to be addressed regarding women's representation in the media, but it is NOT a war against men, at all. The guys I know aren't secretly plotting to put me back in my place - I don't even get kitchen jokes from the community I play in anymore. Why? Because I play, not to get attention, but because I share the love and enjoyment of games just like the other guys. I’m there to play games and be good at them without playing the whole 'I have tits and therefore deserve to be carried' routine.
What baffles me is that I don’t think asking for a diverse representation of women, in any form of media, is going to make that media less enjoyable. I think a lot of men would appreciate seeing women that are intelligent and open minded, as opposed to the emotionally needy/manipulative stereotypes currently present. It is possible to have an attractive female character that is also complex. It feels that, a lot of the people that react violently to any sort of statement/criticism asking for a change in perspective regarding how women can be represented, think that this either means that all attractive women will be replaced with fat, angry feminists, or that it will turn their games into a pink princess fairyland (all of which should be destroyed… violently).
The idea behind the argument for stronger women is to give younger ones better role models to grow up to. I grew up watching Xena: Warrior Princess and until my teenage years I didn’t even think there was a difference between the genders. We were all kids, not boy kids, or girls kids, just kids pretending to be adventurers, fighting with lightsabers, building castles from legos. Role models make a huge difference in how a women turns out – I figured all girls could be adventurers/fight just like the boys so I grew up exploring ideas and wanting to learn.
I am now a ICT Engineering student and I play games just as much as guys do.
Why not fight to have more awesome women in the world?
The way that Anita goes about presenting her points and the horrific scandal surrounding what she's doing is completely wrong and I feel is creating such a huge wedge between male gamers and their female counterparts.
I myself am a female gamer, and I see that Anita is being arrogant and condescending in her criticism of things in popular media. These sorts of attitudes that there is a 'patriarchy' and that 'white straight males' are our monstrous overlords that keep us oppressed is a bunch of crap.
In all honesty, I think there ARE a lot of issues that need to be addressed regarding women's representation in the media, but it is NOT a war against men, at all. The guys I know aren't secretly plotting to put me back in my place - I don't even get kitchen jokes from the community I play in anymore. Why? Because I play, not to get attention, but because I share the love and enjoyment of games just like the other guys. I’m there to play games and be good at them without playing the whole 'I have tits and therefore deserve to be carried' routine.
What baffles me is that I don’t think asking for a diverse representation of women, in any form of media, is going to make that media less enjoyable. I think a lot of men would appreciate seeing women that are intelligent and open minded, as opposed to the emotionally needy/manipulative stereotypes currently present. It is possible to have an attractive female character that is also complex. It feels that, a lot of the people that react violently to any sort of statement/criticism asking for a change in perspective regarding how women can be represented, think that this either means that all attractive women will be replaced with fat, angry feminists, or that it will turn their games into a pink princess fairyland (all of which should be destroyed… violently).
The idea behind the argument for stronger women is to give younger ones better role models to grow up to. I grew up watching Xena: Warrior Princess and until my teenage years I didn’t even think there was a difference between the genders. We were all kids, not boy kids, or girls kids, just kids pretending to be adventurers, fighting with lightsabers, building castles from legos. Role models make a huge difference in how a women turns out – I figured all girls could be adventurers/fight just like the boys so I grew up exploring ideas and wanting to learn.
I am now a ICT Engineering student and I play games just as much as guys do.
Why not fight to have more awesome women in the world?
I agree with all you said Jim, and I think it applies to a lot of other "things people love to hate".
Great video, thanks again!
Great video, thanks again!
Jim: Could we just move on from the retarded sexism controversy, Games are NOT supposed to be a sophisticated political message about how we should treat one another equally. Games at the core are supposed to be entertaining, be it a bimbo cheerleader who kills zombies, a cowboy trying to save his family by killing his old friends, or a karate master with the arm of a god beating the shit out of demons. Just because some devs uses the female form in an entertaining but yet stereotypical fashion, Doesn't mean they hate women, the female form is just being used as entertainment. Do you see platinum games speaking out against gay people even though the first boss of god hand were two gay men acting like the negative stereotypical gay image? NO you don't, now stop being a party pooper and enjoy the fucking video games.
@Cutie Honey
The point was never about her morals, her character, or anything related to either. The fact that the whole "conversation" devolved to that point is what kept the rest of us from having a real conversation about the whole "women in gaming" thing. Jim hits the nail on the head when he says that we created this one; that it was our fault she got as big as she became, and that it originated with the insane vitriol that was spewed at her at a near relentless clip.
The only reason her morals/ethics/motives/etc came into question at all seemed to be because people either wanted to justify their unjustifiable outrage on something, or they wanted to skirt the actual substance altogether. Even now, in the comments section of a video that calls out this very thing for being complete bullshit, we are still somehow talking about it as though it were completely valid. Does this not strike you as odd?
As far as how I see it, he asked so I answered. I have no desire to white knight anything, I just don't see a point in keeping my mouth shut. Especially on this issue, where the vitriol drowned out any possibility of actual conversation in minutes. Mountain out of a molehill? Maybe in the grand scheme of things, but considering past articles went hundreds of comments long and left even some DToid staff shaking their heads (I remember one Daily Hotness saying something to the effect of "[Staff Member] wrote an article about [Women In Gaming Related Thing], but don't read the comments if you want to retain your sanity").
And I'd disagree that just ignoring people with unreasonable views that do nothing but derail and distract is somehow the way to go. If the people who derailed every possible discussion with hundreds and hundreds of off topic comments were called out immediately, maybe those articles wouldn't have gone for hundreds and hundreds of off topic comments.
Regardless, I think we can safely say that ignoring them did nothing, they just argued with each other about awful shit and ganged up on anyone who dared to call them all way off.
No one should have to avoid a subject because the people on their preferred site demand they do so. People wanted to talk about it, they were just drowned out until they couldn't be bothered to try to speak over the crowd.
The point was never about her morals, her character, or anything related to either. The fact that the whole "conversation" devolved to that point is what kept the rest of us from having a real conversation about the whole "women in gaming" thing. Jim hits the nail on the head when he says that we created this one; that it was our fault she got as big as she became, and that it originated with the insane vitriol that was spewed at her at a near relentless clip.
The only reason her morals/ethics/motives/etc came into question at all seemed to be because people either wanted to justify their unjustifiable outrage on something, or they wanted to skirt the actual substance altogether. Even now, in the comments section of a video that calls out this very thing for being complete bullshit, we are still somehow talking about it as though it were completely valid. Does this not strike you as odd?
As far as how I see it, he asked so I answered. I have no desire to white knight anything, I just don't see a point in keeping my mouth shut. Especially on this issue, where the vitriol drowned out any possibility of actual conversation in minutes. Mountain out of a molehill? Maybe in the grand scheme of things, but considering past articles went hundreds of comments long and left even some DToid staff shaking their heads (I remember one Daily Hotness saying something to the effect of "[Staff Member] wrote an article about [Women In Gaming Related Thing], but don't read the comments if you want to retain your sanity").
And I'd disagree that just ignoring people with unreasonable views that do nothing but derail and distract is somehow the way to go. If the people who derailed every possible discussion with hundreds and hundreds of off topic comments were called out immediately, maybe those articles wouldn't have gone for hundreds and hundreds of off topic comments.
Regardless, I think we can safely say that ignoring them did nothing, they just argued with each other about awful shit and ganged up on anyone who dared to call them all way off.
No one should have to avoid a subject because the people on their preferred site demand they do so. People wanted to talk about it, they were just drowned out until they couldn't be bothered to try to speak over the crowd.
I've clearly been living under a rock (or too busy living, im not sure which) but i've never heard of her before this video, but gotta agree with jim, its like ol' jack t, if we ignore him he goes away.
@Lord of the Thunder
No one wants videogames to be a deep political message. There are just some people who want to be included. Giving female characters some actual dignity doesn't make a game worse, it just makes it accessible to more people.
More people means more money for devs that they can then use to make better games.
Games being more aware and inclusive is good for everyone.
"stop being a party pooper and enjoy the fucking video games."
That's the point! We want to enjoy them. We want more people to be able to enjoy them. We want more people at the party! More women! We want gaming to grow and be more fun for more people. Is that really the worst thing in the world?
No one wants videogames to be a deep political message. There are just some people who want to be included. Giving female characters some actual dignity doesn't make a game worse, it just makes it accessible to more people.
More people means more money for devs that they can then use to make better games.
Games being more aware and inclusive is good for everyone.
"stop being a party pooper and enjoy the fucking video games."
That's the point! We want to enjoy them. We want more people to be able to enjoy them. We want more people at the party! More women! We want gaming to grow and be more fun for more people. Is that really the worst thing in the world?
Great video as always! Sadly, I feel like this will do little to change the minds of those mindless rape-threateners - they don't seem like people who can be reasoned with. Still, at least the rest of us can enjoy the video and engage in healthy debates as you said.
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