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Great writeup, man. While I'm one of the nutjobs who quite likes how Sonic handles in 4, what I played of this looked very promising indeed. I think a personal favourite was in act...3? The water spray from your shoes as you run through it is surprisingly detailed.
So yep, great job by the guys behind this.
So yep, great job by the guys behind this.
We have heard the fans cries and have decided to sue these two men out of house and home. Then we took out the creative part of their brain. Then we hired them, and fired them two days later.
I can't really play it at the moment. (DAMN YOU COMPUTER) but I saw the vid for the demo, and the physics do look closer to the old games. I liked how everything sonic did transitioned well. Example, when playing the sonic 4 demo, sonic looked really strange going into a spin dash, he almost seemed like he blended into it. Not sure how to discribe. Sonic in that demo looked pretty fine.
And yeah, its a busy looking game. I think some forget that Sonic 4 looks so simple is that it otherwise would have distracted you with- "OH SHINY is that the egg-whateverthehell-SPIKES"
They'd better come up with some original stuff, some of those badniks look recycled. |:<
And yeah, its a busy looking game. I think some forget that Sonic 4 looks so simple is that it otherwise would have distracted you with- "OH SHINY is that the egg-whateverthehell-SPIKES"
They'd better come up with some original stuff, some of those badniks look recycled. |:<
I can't even play the remix. I have no idea what's going on most of the time. The graphics are too damn good.
Still, I do think it's better than Sonic 4. Sonic 2, in itself, is a better game, so 4 never stood a chance. As for retro remakes, I'll give it up to 4. As least I can know the final version of Fan Remix won't have an awful ending boss.
Still, I do think it's better than Sonic 4. Sonic 2, in itself, is a better game, so 4 never stood a chance. As for retro remakes, I'll give it up to 4. As least I can know the final version of Fan Remix won't have an awful ending boss.
I'm liking Sonic 4 right now. Once you learn and figure out how to play Sonic 4, you can go just as fast as you ever did in the original Sonic titles. I think this is a case where the "fans" are indeed "playing it wrong" so to speak. Or should try playing the game more than two seconds to learn the homing attack is a great way to gain momentum and go really really fucking fast. // I want to play the remix, but I don't care for rapidshare. Will find a better download source later in life :).
The Sonic 4 'OMG PHYSICS' argument is really starting to make me angry because I'm seeing it everywhere. SFR looks fun but for some reason my computer won't run the demo which is weird considering its played better looking games.
Completely agree with you. It looks beautiful and detailed but too beautiful and detailed. I ran into enemies most of the time simply because i didn't even see them. But it's still very impressive and not as in "good for a fan made game" way impressive. Sad, that it will most likely never get finished
While it puts a little too much on the screen to keep track of it at least feels like a classic Sonic game unlike Sonic 4, the more I play that game the more I get frustrated with its shitty physics and complete lack of momentum. Seriously I've never played a 2D Sonic game where I come to a dead stop or fall like a lead weight just because I'm not constantly pressing the d-pad.
They aimed to replicate the way the classic Sonic games played, and they succeeded. Their color palette choices need some adjustment though. Don't use the same colors for the foreground as you do for the background.
Nice impressions. I'm definitely liking the demo, but I agree with you that it's way too visually busy. And also, I'd really like to see some original levels ala Sonic Megamix, but hey. I still can't wait for Chemical Plant Zone either.
Even though Sega should probably offer these guys a job, they'll probably pay money to shut them down. Too bad.
I agree that the graphics are a little busy, but at the same time I love the attention to detail. I played the demo through twice before I noticed the giant "ROBOLAND" billboard that's constructed over the course of the three acts, to the point that by the third act, it's fully built and has a spotlight in the shape of the old Dr. Robotnick (screw Eggman) symbol shining on it. Little things like that are awesome.
Jim admitted he was wrong? This actually revives respect I have for him. (Seriously, no sarcasm intended).
Since this game appears to be upstaging the proper Sonic 4 in a few ways I might have to give it a shot.
Since this game appears to be upstaging the proper Sonic 4 in a few ways I might have to give it a shot.
I really hope that the people behind the Fan Remix get official jobs rather than just cease and desist letters. They deserve it after the really good work they've done on this project. I was so excited when I saw Gearbox gave their blessing to the Duke Nukem 3D fan project.
I enjoyed the demo, fun for reasons already stated. But the physics DEFINITELY aren't "perfect" and so clearly this game sucks, SFRemix team sucks, and a pox on everything they have ever done and will ever do.
But in all seriousness, try holding down and right and jumping, or moving forward a bit and jumping and keeping down held. You get a huge amount of momentum off of a single jump, and can effectively stay in ball form for nearly the entire demo, absolutely invulnerable. Need to get up a short slope? Down right jump. Need to get up a big slope? Spindash. It's BROKE.
OMG PHYSICS
But in all seriousness, try holding down and right and jumping, or moving forward a bit and jumping and keeping down held. You get a huge amount of momentum off of a single jump, and can effectively stay in ball form for nearly the entire demo, absolutely invulnerable. Need to get up a short slope? Down right jump. Need to get up a big slope? Spindash. It's BROKE.
OMG PHYSICS
I consider "noticeably different" to be the same as "better than Sonic 4". Even if the game's still a visual clusterfuck, it uses actual 3D and not prerendered crap, and it's music doesn't make me shove a fork in my ass to take my mind off the pain.
Oh, and there's no homing attack and the game doesn't force me out of a ball all the time. So it's less frustrating in that respect as well.
I ran into just about every enemy because of the graphics. It was close to unplayable. It was really pretty, though. The orca was amazing.
I thought Sonic fans wanted a more 16bit look to Sonic 4. Am I wrong? Its hard to keep up with their constant changing tastes.
Thanks Jim - these are the most level-headed impressions I've read of the Sonic Remix project, especially in relation to Sonic 4, which plays just fine for people who aren't attached to the originals. Sonic Remix deserves heaps of praise, no doubt, but it's still too early to call it the second (unofficial) coming of the franchise.
Ideally, rather than pursue them legally, Sega should incorporate their talents and/or ideas into the next volume of Sonic 4. That would really create a buzz among the rabid Sonic fans.
Ideally, rather than pursue them legally, Sega should incorporate their talents and/or ideas into the next volume of Sonic 4. That would really create a buzz among the rabid Sonic fans.
No way I'm gonna look at this crap. It was not made by Sega and I'm sure that Sonic has no green eyez!1!! ThERFORE spaM tHIS Crap!!!!1!11!
Na, seriously... I will give it a try. Maybe Sega can learn something new from some fresh ideas to polish Episode 2. You never know and knowing is have a hedgehog.... or something like that =D
Na, seriously... I will give it a try. Maybe Sega can learn something new from some fresh ideas to polish Episode 2. You never know and knowing is have a hedgehog.... or something like that =D
Yeah, my biggest issue with it was that, visually, it was far too busy. Otherwise, it was quite fun and I look forward to see what the team does with other levels, like Chemical Plant Zone.
Now now. People are nitpicking from 4 and Fan Remix. Let's just take a moment to focus on the fact that Sonic 4 is a full game that was released by a major game company that is Sega, and Fan Remix was just made by two guys.
The whole thing here is that these two guys were able to do something far more exciting than the company that created the games in the first place. Even Yuji Naka said that in his twitter. I never got that excited with the Sonic 4 videos as I got from this one, and I can say the same thing about the demos. And THIS game isn't even ready yet!
And people that say the physics don't matter clearly didn't play much Sonic in their youth. It's not even a matter of being faithful to the old games, but being faithful to real life.
The whole thing here is that these two guys were able to do something far more exciting than the company that created the games in the first place. Even Yuji Naka said that in his twitter. I never got that excited with the Sonic 4 videos as I got from this one, and I can say the same thing about the demos. And THIS game isn't even ready yet!
And people that say the physics don't matter clearly didn't play much Sonic in their youth. It's not even a matter of being faithful to the old games, but being faithful to real life.
FINALLY. Maybe they can all go cling to this game and pester the creators with their pointless nitpicking, and leave everybody who's enjoyed any Sonic game after 1992 to play 4 in peace.
Opa-Opa has a point, the remix is likely more valuable as a tech demo representing what those guys can do rather than a exact representation of Sonic itself. The love for sonic is clearly there, and nitpicks aside there are elements in the remix that are better represented than Sonic 4, and vice versa.
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