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Jeff Minter is a whiny emo: Complains about Frogger outselling Space Giraffe photo

This is hilarious. Jeff Minter, old school cult developer who recently released the trippy, arty and not-very-good Space Giraffe for Xbox Live Arcade has thrown a bitchfit over the aforementioned game's lacklustre sales. Because the updated Frogger has done so much better on Arcade than some silly light show, whiny Minter now sees very little point in making games.

not seeing a lot of reason to continue even trying to make games, at this point, when a remake of Frogger, one of the worst games in the history of old arcade games, can outsell Space Giraffe that we put so much love and effort into, by more than ten to one, in one week.

OK, we get the message. All you want on that channel is remakes of old, sh*te arcade games and crap you vaguely remember playing on your Amiga.

We'll shut up trying to do anything new then.

Sorry for even trying.

Maybe he's kidding? One would hope he is, because that's such an amazing crybaby attitude that I'd be embarrassed to make myself look that bad even in jest. What shocks me is that he acted surprised that an obscure, confusing game that had no mainstream appeal did poorly. It's not exactly Wii Sports in terms of accessibility now, is it? While I fully believe that original and inventive games should be supported (if they're good), it's never a surprise when they don't sell well. Sadly, a lot of people DO want old, sh*te arcade games.

Oh, and it doesn't help that Space Giraffe simply isn't better than "one of the worst games in the history of old arcade games." You need some gameplay to go with your lights and pretty music, Jeff.  

[Thanks to Buster]


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Brandon Undead's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:13
Brandon Undead
Space Giraffe looked and played like ass. Let's hope he really doesn't develop any more games.
Ali D's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:18
Ali D
Space Giraffe looked ok, but I couldn't understand what I was actually meant to do. I haven't brought Frogger, but if you're looking for a good XBLA game, then get Puzzle Quest.
Remz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:22
Remz
After seeing it on a friends box, I can't exactly vouch for Space Giraffe
glipe's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:23
glipe
I have to say, I kind of support him on this one though. It's only because Frogger is a well known name that it's done better than Space Giraffe when SG is way more fun. But nobody knows it's way more fun because they haven't played it, whereas they have fond memories of Frogger being something more than it actually is (e.g. fun). It's a shame he sounds so whiney with his complaining but I really can't fault him for the complaint itself!

Would you have been as dismissive of his comments if he'd been the creator of Psychonauts complaining about the attention that other, inferior games got instead of his?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:27
Jim Sterling
glipe: Better example -- I adore Killer 7 and I find it shameful it sold poorly, but if Suda51 whined and said he'd throw in the towel and can't believe how Halo sold better than it? I'd laugh him outta town.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:33
wardrox
Do not speak ill of the Space Giraffe! It's awesome!


wardrox spends his evenings playing Boom Boom Rocket
Boolean's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:35
Boolean
God SG was a bad game. Hell, SG would make a terrible free flash game. Style can cover up shitty gameplay, for example Flow. But SG was just...well..shit.

Someone should tell Mr. Minter how many people have bought Uno, he'll flip his fucking lid once he finds out.
glipe's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:39
glipe
@Jim: you're pretty much right on the reaction to such a comedic tantrum but, as you say yourself, it's gutting when a good game does badly.

Maybe he would have been better phrasing it as "Ahhh bollox. =( "
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 06:48
Jim Sterling
Also, he needs to stick to weed if the acid is making him this highly strung.
glipe's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:00
glipe
Maybe he still has a vendetta against Frogger since the old days when his camels and llamas were outsold by the frog as well? Maybe SG is an acid flashback to those days?
Macca's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:07
Macca
He has a point. It's not like Space Giraffe has less name recognition. Or is easier to pick up and play. Seriously, the demo for this game totally threw me off. At least Frogger didn't give me seizures...
lowercaseluke's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:26
lowercaseluke
Frankly, I think the fucking ridiculous name didn't help.

Space. Giraffe.

Sounds like an indie band.
vandamguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:36
vandamguy
he could probably get a job at silicone knights with that attitude.

lulz.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:39
Mxyzptlk
Oh game developers... haven't you learned not to put your crybaby rants online yet?
runedig's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:46
runedig
if you don't understand how to play, that doesn't mean the gameplay sucks. the point of the game is to score points and finish level 100
atheistium's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:48
atheistium
but frogger is awesomes.
WDot's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:48
WDot
Okay, so Space Giraffe didn't work out. Try again. Yes, sequels and rereleases sell well, and those are easy. But you know what? If you can fill a niche that's been itching to be filled, and put it out and the right time, success'll come your way. This Tempest variant just wasn't it.
Xavier's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 07:48
Xavier
Who cares about what Jeff Minter has to say, make a real game for once & stop complaining.
fish_lx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 08:20
fish_lx
I don't get it... Isn't Space Giraffe exactly this: A remake of old, sh*te arcade game and crap i vaguely remember playing on my errr... Atari... (Tempest) ???
queefy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 08:26
queefy
Space Giraffe is great.

Most people are either too intimidated by it or to lazy to figure the game out.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 08:30
Holyetheline
lol. thats just silly... hes older than 12 right?
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 08:37
michiyoyoshiku
Yeah Jeff Minter is a Hack. I want my Live points back for this game.
SPIDER PIG's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 08:44
SPIDER PIG
"love and effort" my ass, Microsoft Interns did better with Aegis Wings
Amayirot Akago's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:18
Amayirot Akago
Ironically, Space Giraffe looks like a ripoff of Tempest.
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:19
aborto thefetus
I wouldn't go as far as calling space giraffe a bad game, but I definitely would call it a mediocre game. I could see why some people would like it and some people would hate it. Personally, I didn't like it and deleted the demo immediately after I played it.

But like Jim said, whining about your game not doing good is completely unforgivable. Tim Schafer didn't do that, Hell it seemed like he didn't even care. People should make videogames because they like it, not because they want to turn a profit. If this guy is going to complain about how his game did, then he really shouldn't be in the videogame business.
ScreamingSlave's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:23
ScreamingSlave
A crappy ripoff of Tempest. I really do hope he is joking, because really, this guy is a d**k. First he goes on about how "art" his game is, then I download it and it's ugly, easy, and pointless (and did I mention ass ugly?) It looks like what Every Extent Extra vomits after a long night of drinking. Now he throws a damn "I'm taking my football and going home" tantrum because it doesn't sell as well as one of the biggest selling games of all time. Yeah Jeff, I think you are in the wrong line of work, and I wish more people that made crappy games got the hint and, you know, stopped making crappy games.
Diomeneus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:26
Diomeneus
You have got to be shitting me... he wants space giraffe to sell well?!?! I keep the demo of the game as a JOKE so friends can come over and laugh at it! The game is dismal at best. Filling it with internet catch phrases and stylings does not make you original either... what a tool.
I also have to go with aborto. The guy makes a poor selling gmae, bitches about it doing poorly then quits? He doesn't have what it takes to make it in the industry. Final Fantasy was named such because they felt it was actually their final fantasy at making a game before going bankrupt.

Jeff Minter isn't worthy to lick the semen off my boot.
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:27
aborto thefetus
@Diomeneus

Why do you have semen on your boot?
Diomeneus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:30
Diomeneus
*shrug*
look I drink...
BluFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:42
BluFire
Bitching does not make anything better. It makes you a douche. Nobody likes douches. Doesn't he realize that getting all emo and stuff just annoys everybody?

I just checked the blog with the original post. Here's his post from two days after posting his bitchfest(please BBCode, please work):

[quote]
I'm not going to be writing about game development here any more after this. Yes, I had a bit of a rant the other night because frankly yes, it is a bit disappointing to see a repackaged MAME rom doing much better than original content, but hey, that's how it goes. People are more inclined to buy stuff they remember rather than stuff that's new.

We're invested in XBLA now, and we *need* to re-use the SG framework for a couple of reasonably quick games - I think that's the way to make it work out for us, we just need more games in the pipeline. I'm already halfway through the next one and I just want to get my head down and get on with it.

To those who came on here to have a go at me and tell me how much I suck - just piss off, I don't care. If you do that I shall delete your comments and ban you. Guess what, I think you suck too, and I don't give a rat's arse if you don't like my games; they aren't made for you anyway.

And thanks to those who gave me a bit of encouragement at a low moment. Rest assured I'm not giving up; I'm just getting on with it quietly.

So no more dev stuff here, from now on this will just be about sheep and plushies and other such non-work-related stuff. There will be no talk, no press, no screenshots and no videos of work in progress except as and when we are ready to release them, at the appropriate time, through the appropriate channels.
[/quote]
BluFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:44
BluFire
Damn it... just read the text. I guess there will not be any cool effects for this.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:55
JACK of No Trades
The guy has his fellings hurt. He put alot of thought and effort into making the game. I take pride in my work and would be just as pissed as him......but I wouldn't make a game like Space Giraffe so thats his fault.
Grapefruit Juice's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 09:57
Grapefruit Juice
Talentless, high and crying is no way to go thru life son.
Arcanum's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 10:18
Arcanum
bawwwwww
Turtule Soup's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 10:20
Turtule Soup
WHat was space giraffe about? it confused me.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 10:37
king3vbo
What a lamer. Besides, Space Giraffe didnt sell because it sucks
Imako's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 10:44
Imako
Guess he should have ripped off of frogger instead then. seriously though, I never played SG, but it didn't look good at all.
Electrobes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 10:48
Electrobes
Maca said it best.. fucking demo gave me seizures. I mean shit, if I wanted that I cold get it AND enjoy it via other measures.. but to seize and not enjoy it... hell to the no.

I am really shocked he bitched about anything at all, I would have laughed him out the building if he had shown me that to put on XBLA... it could possibly make them liable for causing utter stupidity.

Yes that's how much I HATED the thing.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 10:59
F Whipple
Sounds like someone has sand in his vagina
Clockwork's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 11:00
Clockwork
I really had no clue what the fuck was going on when I played Space Giraffe. I wasn't a fan.
NihonTiger90's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 11:14
NihonTiger90
Space Giraffe confused me. Frogger doesn't. Guess which one I'm more likely to play?
kobewan0824's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 11:16
kobewan0824
Here's what I'll say to anyone who is on the fence or defending him based on Frogger's assness: Play the Space Giraffes demo. A winner is Frogger on this win.
9to5's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 11:21
9to5
Frogger>Space Giraffe. simple.

I used to like Jeff's monthly column in Edge magazine, he seemed like an ok kind of chap. Sadly though Jeff, love and effort don't make a great game.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 11:25
Cheeburga
My game isnt good...WHY DID NO ONE BUY IT.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 11:31
The-Excel
Like I always say, if you don't want your work criticized, don't publish it.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 12:08
wonky360
Jeff is ok, he needs to get good at writing instructions. Do I watch or play this thing? Shoot? Collect? WTF is this tempest????........Dashboard. Delete.
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 12:12
Rosseh
Aww man, I really liked Grid Runner. It had a good balance of those bright graphics and great gameplay but space giraffe wasn't as balanced. It was a good concept and had pretty decent gameplay it just hurt my eyes a bit too much. Both of those posts were pretty whiney, I never thought he'd act like this.

I hope you were joking about the tempest ripoff thing.
mrkonchu's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 12:26
mrkonchu
You know its not really a good idea to compare Space Giraffe sales to Frogger. Now I dont know if he is talking one week as of last week or launch week but if its the later he should really think of this. Frogger was released a while back there was no VC there was no Playstation Store and If im remember right there was no game every Wednesday. So basically there is alot more competing for my money now and Im sure for others too. I used to buy almost every title on live but that is dying down now cause there just so many other things to play. And Frogger for all its flaws is still reguard as a classic thus insighting nostalgia for purchaces(its familiar if I just got a 360 today and was looking in the now long list of games Space Giraffe would probably not jump out at me like Frogger) and its 5 bucks cheaper than Space Giraffe. I also wonder if the free codes count for sales too on Frogger they had those Funky madcat joysticks at Best Buy marked down to like 15 bucks with Frogger, Astropop, and Time Pilot.
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 12:41
GrayFox
Yeah, in spite of Jeff Minter's weirdness, Space Giraffe is an excellent game. I can't believe it is so despised around here.
Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2007 13:14
Knives
@Blufire

So.. he' admits his game is not made for everyone and yet he whines about sales?
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