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Space Giraffe looked ok, but I couldn't understand what I was actually meant to do. I haven't brought Frogger, but if you're looking for a good XBLA game, then get Puzzle Quest.
I have to say, I kind of support him on this one though. It's only because Frogger is a well known name that it's done better than Space Giraffe when SG is way more fun. But nobody knows it's way more fun because they haven't played it, whereas they have fond memories of Frogger being something more than it actually is (e.g. fun). It's a shame he sounds so whiney with his complaining but I really can't fault him for the complaint itself!
Would you have been as dismissive of his comments if he'd been the creator of Psychonauts complaining about the attention that other, inferior games got instead of his?
Would you have been as dismissive of his comments if he'd been the creator of Psychonauts complaining about the attention that other, inferior games got instead of his?
glipe: Better example -- I adore Killer 7 and I find it shameful it sold poorly, but if Suda51 whined and said he'd throw in the towel and can't believe how Halo sold better than it? I'd laugh him outta town.
Do not speak ill of the Space Giraffe! It's awesome!
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God SG was a bad game. Hell, SG would make a terrible free flash game. Style can cover up shitty gameplay, for example Flow. But SG was just...well..shit.
Someone should tell Mr. Minter how many people have bought Uno, he'll flip his fucking lid once he finds out.
Someone should tell Mr. Minter how many people have bought Uno, he'll flip his fucking lid once he finds out.
@Jim: you're pretty much right on the reaction to such a comedic tantrum but, as you say yourself, it's gutting when a good game does badly.
Maybe he would have been better phrasing it as "Ahhh bollox. =( "
Maybe he would have been better phrasing it as "Ahhh bollox. =( "
Maybe he still has a vendetta against Frogger since the old days when his camels and llamas were outsold by the frog as well? Maybe SG is an acid flashback to those days?
He has a point. It's not like Space Giraffe has less name recognition. Or is easier to pick up and play. Seriously, the demo for this game totally threw me off. At least Frogger didn't give me seizures...
Frankly, I think the fucking ridiculous name didn't help.
Space. Giraffe.
Sounds like an indie band.
Space. Giraffe.
Sounds like an indie band.
if you don't understand how to play, that doesn't mean the gameplay sucks. the point of the game is to score points and finish level 100
Okay, so Space Giraffe didn't work out. Try again. Yes, sequels and rereleases sell well, and those are easy. But you know what? If you can fill a niche that's been itching to be filled, and put it out and the right time, success'll come your way. This Tempest variant just wasn't it.
I don't get it... Isn't Space Giraffe exactly this: A remake of old, sh*te arcade game and crap i vaguely remember playing on my errr... Atari... (Tempest) ???
Space Giraffe is great.
Most people are either too intimidated by it or to lazy to figure the game out.
Most people are either too intimidated by it or to lazy to figure the game out.
I wouldn't go as far as calling space giraffe a bad game, but I definitely would call it a mediocre game. I could see why some people would like it and some people would hate it. Personally, I didn't like it and deleted the demo immediately after I played it.
But like Jim said, whining about your game not doing good is completely unforgivable. Tim Schafer didn't do that, Hell it seemed like he didn't even care. People should make videogames because they like it, not because they want to turn a profit. If this guy is going to complain about how his game did, then he really shouldn't be in the videogame business.
But like Jim said, whining about your game not doing good is completely unforgivable. Tim Schafer didn't do that, Hell it seemed like he didn't even care. People should make videogames because they like it, not because they want to turn a profit. If this guy is going to complain about how his game did, then he really shouldn't be in the videogame business.
A crappy ripoff of Tempest. I really do hope he is joking, because really, this guy is a d**k. First he goes on about how "art" his game is, then I download it and it's ugly, easy, and pointless (and did I mention ass ugly?) It looks like what Every Extent Extra vomits after a long night of drinking. Now he throws a damn "I'm taking my football and going home" tantrum because it doesn't sell as well as one of the biggest selling games of all time. Yeah Jeff, I think you are in the wrong line of work, and I wish more people that made crappy games got the hint and, you know, stopped making crappy games.
You have got to be shitting me... he wants space giraffe to sell well?!?! I keep the demo of the game as a JOKE so friends can come over and laugh at it! The game is dismal at best. Filling it with internet catch phrases and stylings does not make you original either... what a tool.
I also have to go with aborto. The guy makes a poor selling gmae, bitches about it doing poorly then quits? He doesn't have what it takes to make it in the industry. Final Fantasy was named such because they felt it was actually their final fantasy at making a game before going bankrupt.
Jeff Minter isn't worthy to lick the semen off my boot.
I also have to go with aborto. The guy makes a poor selling gmae, bitches about it doing poorly then quits? He doesn't have what it takes to make it in the industry. Final Fantasy was named such because they felt it was actually their final fantasy at making a game before going bankrupt.
Jeff Minter isn't worthy to lick the semen off my boot.
Bitching does not make anything better. It makes you a douche. Nobody likes douches. Doesn't he realize that getting all emo and stuff just annoys everybody?
I just checked the blog with the original post. Here's his post from two days after posting his bitchfest(please BBCode, please work):
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I'm not going to be writing about game development here any more after this. Yes, I had a bit of a rant the other night because frankly yes, it is a bit disappointing to see a repackaged MAME rom doing much better than original content, but hey, that's how it goes. People are more inclined to buy stuff they remember rather than stuff that's new.
We're invested in XBLA now, and we *need* to re-use the SG framework for a couple of reasonably quick games - I think that's the way to make it work out for us, we just need more games in the pipeline. I'm already halfway through the next one and I just want to get my head down and get on with it.
To those who came on here to have a go at me and tell me how much I suck - just piss off, I don't care. If you do that I shall delete your comments and ban you. Guess what, I think you suck too, and I don't give a rat's arse if you don't like my games; they aren't made for you anyway.
And thanks to those who gave me a bit of encouragement at a low moment. Rest assured I'm not giving up; I'm just getting on with it quietly.
So no more dev stuff here, from now on this will just be about sheep and plushies and other such non-work-related stuff. There will be no talk, no press, no screenshots and no videos of work in progress except as and when we are ready to release them, at the appropriate time, through the appropriate channels.
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I just checked the blog with the original post. Here's his post from two days after posting his bitchfest(please BBCode, please work):
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I'm not going to be writing about game development here any more after this. Yes, I had a bit of a rant the other night because frankly yes, it is a bit disappointing to see a repackaged MAME rom doing much better than original content, but hey, that's how it goes. People are more inclined to buy stuff they remember rather than stuff that's new.
We're invested in XBLA now, and we *need* to re-use the SG framework for a couple of reasonably quick games - I think that's the way to make it work out for us, we just need more games in the pipeline. I'm already halfway through the next one and I just want to get my head down and get on with it.
To those who came on here to have a go at me and tell me how much I suck - just piss off, I don't care. If you do that I shall delete your comments and ban you. Guess what, I think you suck too, and I don't give a rat's arse if you don't like my games; they aren't made for you anyway.
And thanks to those who gave me a bit of encouragement at a low moment. Rest assured I'm not giving up; I'm just getting on with it quietly.
So no more dev stuff here, from now on this will just be about sheep and plushies and other such non-work-related stuff. There will be no talk, no press, no screenshots and no videos of work in progress except as and when we are ready to release them, at the appropriate time, through the appropriate channels.
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The guy has his fellings hurt. He put alot of thought and effort into making the game. I take pride in my work and would be just as pissed as him......but I wouldn't make a game like Space Giraffe so thats his fault.
Guess he should have ripped off of frogger instead then. seriously though, I never played SG, but it didn't look good at all.
Maca said it best.. fucking demo gave me seizures. I mean shit, if I wanted that I cold get it AND enjoy it via other measures.. but to seize and not enjoy it... hell to the no.
I am really shocked he bitched about anything at all, I would have laughed him out the building if he had shown me that to put on XBLA... it could possibly make them liable for causing utter stupidity.
Yes that's how much I HATED the thing.
I am really shocked he bitched about anything at all, I would have laughed him out the building if he had shown me that to put on XBLA... it could possibly make them liable for causing utter stupidity.
Yes that's how much I HATED the thing.
Here's what I'll say to anyone who is on the fence or defending him based on Frogger's assness: Play the Space Giraffes demo. A winner is Frogger on this win.
Frogger>Space Giraffe. simple.
I used to like Jeff's monthly column in Edge magazine, he seemed like an ok kind of chap. Sadly though Jeff, love and effort don't make a great game.
I used to like Jeff's monthly column in Edge magazine, he seemed like an ok kind of chap. Sadly though Jeff, love and effort don't make a great game.
Jeff is ok, he needs to get good at writing instructions. Do I watch or play this thing? Shoot? Collect? WTF is this tempest????........Dashboard. Delete.
Aww man, I really liked Grid Runner. It had a good balance of those bright graphics and great gameplay but space giraffe wasn't as balanced. It was a good concept and had pretty decent gameplay it just hurt my eyes a bit too much. Both of those posts were pretty whiney, I never thought he'd act like this.
I hope you were joking about the tempest ripoff thing.
I hope you were joking about the tempest ripoff thing.
You know its not really a good idea to compare Space Giraffe sales to Frogger. Now I dont know if he is talking one week as of last week or launch week but if its the later he should really think of this. Frogger was released a while back there was no VC there was no Playstation Store and If im remember right there was no game every Wednesday. So basically there is alot more competing for my money now and Im sure for others too. I used to buy almost every title on live but that is dying down now cause there just so many other things to play. And Frogger for all its flaws is still reguard as a classic thus insighting nostalgia for purchaces(its familiar if I just got a 360 today and was looking in the now long list of games Space Giraffe would probably not jump out at me like Frogger) and its 5 bucks cheaper than Space Giraffe. I also wonder if the free codes count for sales too on Frogger they had those Funky madcat joysticks at Best Buy marked down to like 15 bucks with Frogger, Astropop, and Time Pilot.
Yeah, in spite of Jeff Minter's weirdness, Space Giraffe is an excellent game. I can't believe it is so despised around here.
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