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So what he is saying is that the PS Vita is...
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Just like PC gaming was dying, and is now seeing a huge resurgence. Things like this go in waves. Consoles may be in the decline now, but they aren't dying.
I have a hard time fully disagreeing.
We could be moving to a streaming/app model in 10 years, pretty easily. We won't have a box, just a Nintendo or Sony app on the televison or tablet. And when publishers and platform holders have total control of the distribution of content and pricing, we'll weep for consoles.
We could be moving to a streaming/app model in 10 years, pretty easily. We won't have a box, just a Nintendo or Sony app on the televison or tablet. And when publishers and platform holders have total control of the distribution of content and pricing, we'll weep for consoles.
I think there is, and probably always will be, a market for stand alone gaming consoles. Microsoft and Sony don't seem to see it that way, and they're inching closer and closer to their consoles being piss poor PCs, thus closer and closer to their own irrelevance.
The way console business models have worked in the past doesn't work anymore. It's expensive, and honestly, fucking senseless. There's almost no competition in the hardware space, and almost no difference in the same games when they're released on the PC, PS3, and 360. All we have is gamers subsidizing Sony's and Microsoft's home entertainment ambitions.
The way console business models have worked in the past doesn't work anymore. It's expensive, and honestly, fucking senseless. There's almost no competition in the hardware space, and almost no difference in the same games when they're released on the PC, PS3, and 360. All we have is gamers subsidizing Sony's and Microsoft's home entertainment ambitions.
It's interesting to think about what the future of gaming has in store for us.
The only gaming code I live by: never buy a brand new system day one.
The only gaming code I live by: never buy a brand new system day one.
*Checks the lifetime sales of systems this generation*
Yep, those are sure going away soon.
In a related story, Jaffe claims that cars will be a thing of the past in the next 15 years - but refuses to say what replaces them.
Yep, those are sure going away soon.
In a related story, Jaffe claims that cars will be a thing of the past in the next 15 years - but refuses to say what replaces them.
Halfway through reading this I stopped cause I realized that the internet is going out of style. You noobs and your "computers" always loading "web sites". PFFFT!
@UltorOscariot
I weep for consoles now, as far as I'm concerned the last true consoles were the PS2 and the Gcube. Toss a hard drive in the thing, start issuing patches and firmware updates. Charging people for DLC after, etc. Consoles might as well be PCs.
Yeah I too dread the looming cloud that is .... well the cloud. Paying full price for something and having absolutely no control over it is certainly unappealing. The culmination of Big businesses DRM wetdreams and shortsightedness in putting all their consumers eggs into one basket, what could go wrong <3
I weep for consoles now, as far as I'm concerned the last true consoles were the PS2 and the Gcube. Toss a hard drive in the thing, start issuing patches and firmware updates. Charging people for DLC after, etc. Consoles might as well be PCs.
Yeah I too dread the looming cloud that is .... well the cloud. Paying full price for something and having absolutely no control over it is certainly unappealing. The culmination of Big businesses DRM wetdreams and shortsightedness in putting all their consumers eggs into one basket, what could go wrong <3
What does that even mean? How are people going to play games at home if not behind a pc? Consoles won't die, they'll just change dramatically.
Now watch as six months from now when Jaffe proclaims that anyone predicting the death of consoles is 'fucking retarded'. That man loves to talk and about 95% of what he says is either hypocritical, nonsensical, or annoying.
I gotta agree with @cameltoad on this. They said the same for PC gaming only to have it revived years later. Even if these next gen of consoles don't profit as well as their predecessors (which I don't believe) it would most likely just be a small slump and be rebounded a few years later. Tablets and Iphones will never replace consoles the game play on them is to unruly for more complex games. Now if they streamed out of our TVs that is a different argument. But I hold consoles aren't going anywhere.
@SephirothX
Now look at software sales. Look at the number of games produced on a monthly basis year over year, and the amount of money that large publishers are spending producing them. When you spot the obvious trend in those numbers, come back and explain why the current console model has no chance of failing in the next ten years.
Now look at software sales. Look at the number of games produced on a monthly basis year over year, and the amount of money that large publishers are spending producing them. When you spot the obvious trend in those numbers, come back and explain why the current console model has no chance of failing in the next ten years.
Just like all of my other media consumption, it's going streaming. I get all my music from spotify, all my movies from Netflix and Amazon Streaming, and now all my books on my kindle. I'd be fine streaming all of my games if the tech was good enough and I see that happening within five years.
If home automation and servers pick up (like I wish they had years ago), consoles could face some stiff competition in the form of high end pc connectivity in every room and device in the house. I don't think it would take the nation by storm within 10 years to be as ubiquitous as refrigerators, microwaves, AC, and TVs, though, and even if it somehow does happen, it wouldn't necessarily be consoles' death knell.
This is what anyone that's paying attention would say. YOU HAVE NO HOPE. Seriously though, the traditional console model will not and cannot last.
Call me old, but I grew up with consoles, I play every night after work some PS3, I dont see how in the future I will not have a console with some shiny games to play and a nice controller, I hate to play games using a keyboard that shit I use it at work everyday, last thing I want to have in my hands while playing.
And the cloud and download games dont make it for me, I want games that exists out the digital world, games that I can go and play in the future as you can just play Mario Word in your SNES, I know you can play it on the Wii as digital download game or with a ROM on your PC, but I dont see myself playing Okami in the future with a keyboard.
And the cloud and download games dont make it for me, I want games that exists out the digital world, games that I can go and play in the future as you can just play Mario Word in your SNES, I know you can play it on the Wii as digital download game or with a ROM on your PC, but I dont see myself playing Okami in the future with a keyboard.
...Is this why he's making a Free-To-Play shooter despite him saying that he 1)hates them for the most part and 2)Flat out says that it's pay-to-win because according to him they all are?
Ok.
Also, this is from a man who made his fame from a franchise based around console-based local multiplayer.
But people have said before, there will always be a marked for consoles. Some seem to forget that families exist, families that are not going to shell out a lot of money for a computer that would require semi regular upgrading.
Ok.
Also, this is from a man who made his fame from a franchise based around console-based local multiplayer.
But people have said before, there will always be a marked for consoles. Some seem to forget that families exist, families that are not going to shell out a lot of money for a computer that would require semi regular upgrading.
Hmmm man who makes games for Facebook has opinions on console lifecycle duration. Anyway have industry "spokesmen" not being saying the console is dead since the snes era?
I think he's in part, right. I think it's really a matter of classification. Sony and MS aren't just going to stop enjoying the fat sacks of cash their console endeavours make them, but I do think consoles are well on their way to basically becoming PCs. I think the days of the dedicated gaming console are well and truly numbered.
Also, I don't see what highlight what he said about the WiiU was supposed to achieve. Does anybody really give a shit about that? I agree with him on that too, you'd have to give me money to get me on one of those things.
Also, I don't see what highlight what he said about the WiiU was supposed to achieve. Does anybody really give a shit about that? I agree with him on that too, you'd have to give me money to get me on one of those things.
Re: Consoles dying or vanishing, here is the bottom line.
As long as consoles allow you to pop in a disc, DL a purchase, and play a game either alone, with friends, or online with no muss and no fuss they will always coexist with the PC.
Consoles exist because they are easy to access, feature a better overall price point, and tend to be less prone to hardware failure than PC's. They allow the people who either don't want to deal with the hassle of a PC or simply choose not to deal with it. Most people would rather log into live then set up a LAN, most people don't care about modding a game or installing mods into folders when they can just grab the latest DLC.
As long as there is a simple, cheaper, fun way to game via a console there will be a console.
As long as consoles allow you to pop in a disc, DL a purchase, and play a game either alone, with friends, or online with no muss and no fuss they will always coexist with the PC.
Consoles exist because they are easy to access, feature a better overall price point, and tend to be less prone to hardware failure than PC's. They allow the people who either don't want to deal with the hassle of a PC or simply choose not to deal with it. Most people would rather log into live then set up a LAN, most people don't care about modding a game or installing mods into folders when they can just grab the latest DLC.
As long as there is a simple, cheaper, fun way to game via a console there will be a console.
@One Red - The inflated nature of game development and software sales contracting doesn't mean this sector will disappear. There will always be a market for dedicated gaming experiences. After the hugely marketed and trendy CoD/Wii/Halo/etc fad ends, the market will return to a smaller base with likely different business strategies and less big hitters in place. Unless there's some revolution in form factor to replace consoles (like I described in my previous post), the demand for then will still exist, and the nature of capitalism means there will assuredly be more than one, even if the market is a tenth the size it is now.
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Jim didnt include the entire statement but he also says hes been wrong about pretty much everything including the psp kicking the ds's ass
so he says dont even pay attention to what he says
so he says dont even pay attention to what he says
Also, I'm with Scuffles. The PS2 was king, and I imagine I will always have one. I'm not gonna go all old fart and say that gaming is crap these days, because it's brilliant... Well, parts of it are. But lets just say I'm extremely grateful to be old enough to have fully experienced and appreciated the sheer mind boggling upgrade that was the sega, to the PS1 and PS2 from to close.
People like David Jaffe are doing a really good job completely killing off the last dregs of my interest in this medium. If they have their way and all games in the future revolve entirely around you shooting increments of money out of a cannon at the publishers (while ironically being called "free to play") rather than revolving around characters and interactivity and ideas then I'm going to have to quit.
I was never interested in games because I got to spend money on them. Paying is not part of the fun or the interest; its a hurdle to get over and then put behind yourself.
I was never interested in games because I got to spend money on them. Paying is not part of the fun or the interest; its a hurdle to get over and then put behind yourself.
I think consoles AND pc gaming are destined to go the way of the dinosaur. Tablets could easily replace both
But don't take my word for it, just look at each E3 presentation, Nintendo's in particular. They are all looking in that direction and trying to integrate or emulate tablet and smartphone functions.
But don't take my word for it, just look at each E3 presentation, Nintendo's in particular. They are all looking in that direction and trying to integrate or emulate tablet and smartphone functions.
He's just saying this to justify the direction his studio is going. When the F2P market crashes or saturates, he'll say something about how F2P is dead and talk about about how great his new idea is for another new market.
Unless game production & console costs don't get under control for next generation then some of these predictions might come true. You know things are bad when just selling a million copies of a $60 game isn't enough to break even on it.
this guy has to be kidding me. he leaves a good team at sony to go make a free to play frist person shooter. he decided cause he felt to go make social games. you got to be kidding me. he is wrong. he always surpises me by his foolness ego trips.
I've been playing on my iPod touch a LOT more than any other console recently, wit recent 69p/Free sales meaning its where I get most of my games from now. I can see how this will affect consoles in the future, but I can at least hold out hope that SOMEONE at Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft can realize that Apple is the biggest competitor they have right now, and they could potentially steal a large majority of the video game market.
I forgot about this guy. But he is right, consoles will eventually have to go away. In the end times when the seas boil and the sky's darken with ash, there won't be any game consoles. This dude's like a prophet.
@Arrtemis
I don't mean to say that the console's death is inevitable, only that console gaming as we know it right now could very well see its end. Remember that the consoles of today are hardly dedicated gaming machines with maybe the exception of the Wii, so one could even say that the dedicated gaming machine has been dead for years (not the console, though).
All I'm saying really is that we're like Nero playing his fiddle right now. The numbers more than prove gaming as we know it is in a real hard way, and the more recent numbers out of the large publishers strongly suggest that they're not making much of anything on games themselves anymore. There's a reason publishers are nickel and diming, it's the only thing making money anymore, legitimately.
Saying that consoles will "die" is a bit of a misnomer, sure. But severe contraction in the console market would be considered death by the big industry players who would likely simply abandon the concept for greener pastures. Maybe then some enterprising company can come along and fill the void with a true gaming console, and I would look forward to that, but in relative terms the console would be dead in the eyes of much of the industry/consumer base.
I don't mean to say that the console's death is inevitable, only that console gaming as we know it right now could very well see its end. Remember that the consoles of today are hardly dedicated gaming machines with maybe the exception of the Wii, so one could even say that the dedicated gaming machine has been dead for years (not the console, though).
All I'm saying really is that we're like Nero playing his fiddle right now. The numbers more than prove gaming as we know it is in a real hard way, and the more recent numbers out of the large publishers strongly suggest that they're not making much of anything on games themselves anymore. There's a reason publishers are nickel and diming, it's the only thing making money anymore, legitimately.
Saying that consoles will "die" is a bit of a misnomer, sure. But severe contraction in the console market would be considered death by the big industry players who would likely simply abandon the concept for greener pastures. Maybe then some enterprising company can come along and fill the void with a true gaming console, and I would look forward to that, but in relative terms the console would be dead in the eyes of much of the industry/consumer base.
Gaming as a service is the future. Tablets, laptops, smart phones, smart TV's these are the platforms people will play games on, not dedicated hardware. When you play an xbox game it'll be because it's being delivered via the Xbox service, not because you're running a small plastic box with the xbox logo on it.
Right, because the Console approach of 'plug it into your tv (a thing you already have) and it works' is really going go out of style with customers.
"Look, consoles are going away," he said to GI International. "I think in 10 years -- probably sooner, but 10 years is always the safe thing to say so you don’t sound like an idiot --"
Too late. Every time he's opened his mouth, I could not take a single thing he's said seriously.
Too late. Every time he's opened his mouth, I could not take a single thing he's said seriously.
"Look, David Jaffe is going away," I said to GI International. "I think in 10 years -- probably sooner, but 10 years is always the safe thing to say so you don’t sound like an idiot -- but here’s what I’ll say: I’ll go on the record and say that the next game from Jaffe will probably be his last. And it should be."
I don't see 'consoles' going away, but I see 'consoles' changing.
at the end of the day, a game console is a device to present an easy way to play immersive involving and fun games.
so the 'console' of the future may be a virtual device. Steam could be the future of consoles. and there doesn't seem to be any reason why we could not have dedicated hardware.
how long until we see a 'steam' PC? essentially this would be a steam console, a device intended to make gaming absolutely convenient.
I have an Iphone. sure, gaming on an iphone is possible but is it comfortable, is it ideal? hell no.
If I was given hte choice between playing sonic the hedgehog on an iphone or on a sega megadrive, I'd pick the megadrive every time. it is tailored to the task of playing games. the control system is far more comfortable and natural.
essentially what I'm saying is that consoles won't die because of apps etc. what we might find is that they become more modular or have longer life spans between updates because hardware can;t make huge differences in performance... but there will always be a place for a console in the same way that there will always be a place for playing cards.
is there really anybody here who does not have a set of playing cards in their house?
at the end of the day, a game console is a device to present an easy way to play immersive involving and fun games.
so the 'console' of the future may be a virtual device. Steam could be the future of consoles. and there doesn't seem to be any reason why we could not have dedicated hardware.
how long until we see a 'steam' PC? essentially this would be a steam console, a device intended to make gaming absolutely convenient.
I have an Iphone. sure, gaming on an iphone is possible but is it comfortable, is it ideal? hell no.
If I was given hte choice between playing sonic the hedgehog on an iphone or on a sega megadrive, I'd pick the megadrive every time. it is tailored to the task of playing games. the control system is far more comfortable and natural.
essentially what I'm saying is that consoles won't die because of apps etc. what we might find is that they become more modular or have longer life spans between updates because hardware can;t make huge differences in performance... but there will always be a place for a console in the same way that there will always be a place for playing cards.
is there really anybody here who does not have a set of playing cards in their house?
i think it might be my last next generation.
with the on disc DLC and prices hiking up it's definitely getting worse.
but we'll see in the coming years.
with the on disc DLC and prices hiking up it's definitely getting worse.
but we'll see in the coming years.
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