agreeable but in the long run i think for the people that actually have the console, well it will benefit them. It allows producers to get more content on one disc. Plus the movies and such, also it allows for better picture and sound with our games. But personally I hate the PS3, i think it is an abomination and it needs to be thrown into mt. doom.

Anyone watch his interview on AoTS? Jaffe was swearing up a storm. Yet he did turn down beer which made him lose a point in my book. But if anyone Tivo'd it and hasn't watch it yet I'd recommend it! Was a good watch. SHORT though.

I dunno. The PS3 wasn't that expensive after I got my own. I've always been a PS3 hater until 3 weeks ago. Blu-Ray is nice to have, and since I already got it, I won't have to upgrade later for another one. I mean, we could say the same about the 360 Elite.


Also, lgnignokt01, I recently bought a few PC games that took up 2 DVDs.. I think it's time to get past DVD. People are just cheap. I just want some better PS3 games :-(

I would rather have more than 1 DVD than pay the extra money for a system with no good games other than Resistance. Just look at that Gundam game that was on Blu-ray, but was one of the worst games I have seen in a long time. The technology is too far off to have it in a gaming system. Sony just admit it, you made a mistake, even your poster boy admitted it.

P.S. Robots apparently only understand some BBCode. Meatbags FTW!

(voice of charlie murphy) WRONG, WRONG! hah lol, wanna know why? cuz u can now torrent Blue-R movies! w00t! hehe,

look guys, were all headed the same direction. hdtv, bigger file sizes for games, sharper n more intense graphics.

So guess what, what system offers more potential for the future, xbox or ps3? Wii is fun but nintendo is at its limit... im sorry to say that im not interested in console sales, im interested in innovative games. and Wii doesnt seem to have much 3rd publisher support, but has great 1st party support... but all their games have a big limit. Thats why Miyamoto asked a troublesome question not long ago:

"What will you guys do when other platforms have the same capabilities we have?"

simple math: xbox + wii = ps3 + more than the other 2 combined.
GoW will be low end games for the ps3 one year for now, so M$ better start working on ur next-gen console just to keep up! oh dont believe me? wheres the original xbox support? ah none? so sorry... PS2 still making games? oh snap, well look @ that.

deja vu?

Sean Fischer- You are witch and must be burned.

There is no point in having a game that won't fit on a dvd.
It makes games cheaper since dvd's are cheap to reproduce.

Most of the data gets reproduced in multi-dvd games it's like getting 2 copies of the game.

It's easier to have a late game disk failure. How many people HAVEN'T applied sandpaper to the last disk in a friends final fantasy game when they were bragging how quick they were going to beat it and defeat all the weapons. With a single disk they figure it out fast. With multiple disks you get the see the sweet sweet look of defeat in their face after they have invested so much effort.

Games are to long. Why even bother having single player games that last more than an afternoon. The key to the new design strategy is to make a game short for single player but make it so that it takes memorization of each enemy to win. Gears of War is just kicking it old school. Content is for pussies who aren't willing to commit to a game. Thus bigger disks are for pussies too.

Disk media is stupid anyway. You should pay to download everything. Being in IT I get a real sense of satisfication when I see a progress bar update. That coupled with a sense of achievement when I purchace items makes download the place to be. If disks were bigger people would be all like, why didn't those songs just come on the disk it had 20 free gigs.

HD movies should be viewed the way they were intended. Compressed so much that background elements become solid colors. Dude the ocean is BLUE. Don't give me all this crap about it having subtle shades of different blues, compress that crap away and leave me with my solid colors.

Also where is the sense of anticipation when you want to watch HD content. Will this rip be good? will the torrent quit right at the end? If it's popular and on Microsofts site you get instant peer validation. Downloading that 1 gig file takes days because everyone else thinks it's cool too. You know you ar watching the right thing. With disks you don't know that. You don't get the sense of risk.

In short any disk bigger than 4.7 gb is for total loosers who are poor and they possibly also belong to some sort of ethnic group.

Sean- Even the brighest sometime fail to see the obvious advantages of something. I'm glad I could help you.

Remember that witchcraft is no laughing matter.
Also equations are the devils sentences. You seem like a person that knows that language all to well.

People talking of compression being the answer to all problems really are spouting. You can compress until you are blue in the face but there comes a point where you simply don't have enough capacity, or that by compressing you horribly impact performance times due to all of the seeking.

When you hit the DVD-9 limit you must either slash content or increasingly rely on downloadable content as a crutch. People make comparisons between Gears & Resistance are missing the point. There is no doubt that Gears is probably the better game (in single player anyway). It is also the shorter one by far, with no localized content either. Think what Gears could have been like if the devs had space to throw in more levels or support more languages (which is good if you don't happen to speak English). What other criticisms can be laid at Resistance have nothing to do with disc capacity. Blu-Ray simply allows games to be the size they need to be without worrying about some arbitrary and small hard limit.

Obviously there will be lots of games that fit on a DVD-9 (and lots of PS2 games would fit on a CDROM) but clearly many won't and the situation is going to become worse as time progresses. Games like GTA IV are already known to have a smaller area than GTA: SA? Next gen sports games are known to have less stadiums / courses / player models than in last gen. Games like Blue Dragon stretch over 3 DVDs. Another specious example people love to raise is Oblivion, even though Morrowind (the previous Elder Scrolls title) fit on a CDROM. I wonder what Oblivion would have looked like if it had been constrained by the space restrictions of its predecessor.

All of these issues are a direct result of DVD-9. More and more games will rely on downloadable content (for point$) or even go multi-disc to overcome this limitation. People claiming compression is the answer really do not know what they are talking about. MGS4 is likely to be 50Gb. If you want to argue about compression, take it up with Kojima since clearly he doesn't know what he's talking about right?

The only real advantage to Blu-ray is that you could have all the international voiceovers for a game on one disc. Otherwise, I couldn't imagine anything not fitting onto a single DVD unless your resource management engine sucks, or you intentionally throw space away. Cutscenes are fun if they're short, but... hours of cutscenes? Give me a break.

My favorite part of the interview: "I'd like the buying populace to be more critical of the decisions they make."

Hell, yes. Image is paramount, not quality and design.

Sean, Dr Xym, let's not rule it out entirely..Regardless of how t textures are loaded into memory, they're all fitting nicely on the disk somehow. The better the games look, the more space they'll take up, the more devs will have to be resourceful in where the data goes. Even on Blu-Ray a few years down the line.

I never said it was the answer to all of our problems, but it is one of the reasons the DVD-9 format shouldn't be compared to cartridges in terms of reliability just yet.

CG cut-scenes like the ones in FF consume allot of space, not only that. but the size of it are meant for below 720p, so if ur playing on a big screen TV u will notice the difference in quality.

Not only that, the more CG there is in the game the more space it takes, and sometimes you play games and expect a nice CG or anime to go along with the experience of playing it. I am wondering, why was FF12 so short in a sense. I was totally impressed by the graphics, and how they achieved such detail on a DVD for a PS2 game. Now was space an issue? possibly.

Hideo Kojima mentioned not long ago that he wanted a 50gig Blue Ray for MGS4 for full quality graphics, voice acting, ect ect... I think if that man says he can use that ammount of space for a better game, ill believe him. So yes, more space the better quality games can come.

Blu-ray is still being developed, how many people jumped right into DVD's from VHS from day 1, not very many, people are skeptical of new things, just give BLu-ray time to grow. I can only see teh added space as being better, you can have a 30gig hard drive or a 250gig hard drive....hmmm? Bigger is better for practically everything, except for headaches and anal raping.

As well, you CANNOT compare a launch game from the PS3 to a game that was launched a year afyer the release of the 360. Look at launch games for the PS2, then look at GOW...notice anything? Dev need time to get the feel for the system before they can being to utilize them.

As of now I am not too happy I bought the PS3 so early as I beat resistance and have not touched the PS3 for about a month but I know in the next few months my purchase will be fully justified. Also I played Gears of War and found that it did not deliver the hype at all. Hiding behind posts and chucks of cement every 30 secs was not my idea of greatness! I played co-op with a buddy for about 1.5hrs and I got my craving as the screen shots looked better than the game play actually was. Resistance was ok as well not what it could have been but I found it more solid that Gears.

Expert Penguin, I won't argue that everything didn't fit on the disc nicely with Gears in the least. Resistance, sans the cutscenes and the voiceovers, could have fit on a DVD9. I'm not really going to argue that at all. One of the points I had about Resistance is that the ability for the developer to just stick pre-rendered video on the disc, instead of trying to program the cutscenes to work in real-time, probably saved them a lot of time and expense. I'm sure that it was much easier for them to just render it on their farms, and package it on the disc than it would have been to optimize the graphics and gameplay engine to do it in real-time on the PS3. To me it's as much a cost saving/time saving mechanism as anything... but that's not really the only reason I think Blu-ray has advantages. I think the ability for them to package additional languages on the disc is great. I think the ability for them to have all of that sound in HD audio without having to worry about compressing it is also great. I think it would be great if we got a lot of extras on discs, like developer interviews and the like. Most DVDs out there now have SOME sort of special features on the disc, even IF you don't buy the special edition. I think that's something that would be great for a lot of more serious hobbyists. As someone who's personally interested in game design I think it would be really neat. I think that the extra capacity will allow for room for more diverse textures and rendered objects. I think the extra space would be great for compilations--if Square-Enix releases a Final Fantasy collection, with every game on one disc I would be completely overjoyed. Aside from the heightened cost of the system (as bad a drawback as this is), the addition of Blu-ray really doesn't have any additional drawbacks. People can bitch and moan about data transfer rates all they want, Sony has already answered that by putting an HDD in every system, which will allow devs to use things like virtual memory and disk caching, so that's really not going to make a difference. And when it comes down to it it's really up to the individual to see the value in the system. I have a 46" XBR2 that does full 1080p. To me a blu-ray player is something I desire, and the PS3 is a bargain on that front. With the remote play features and other things like that it really appeals to the tech loving side of me. I'm not going to say it's the best system overall, but for me it's the one I want.

No offense to anyone here, but learn how to spell. Take some grammer courses as well. It makes it very hard to take anyone's opinion seriously when they talk like a third grader. Ok now on to my point. Blue-ray players are way more costly than the PS3. Had Sony had the new MG game ready upon the release of the PS3 this conversation would never have been started. The PS3 out performs the $2000-$5000 computers I have both owned, built and sold. Also I was able to download a game without affecting the one I was playing. A 500g external hard drive cost the same as the 360 elite. HD capable disks will be phased out for Blue-ray disks. The Wii was innovative. The 360 got the drop on the PS3. PS3 has yet to use all of its potential and has room to grow. By the way I typed this on a PS3. $600 that does all the things I need a computer for without the price tag.