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Speak for yourself, Jade. I and many people I know used the simpler retro controllers back in the day, and can use the modern ones just fine. In fact, I do quite well at it.
One thing I cannot use is Kinect, and that is just by choice. I'm not a 10 year old flailing around that needs to be given a free win. I'm an adult, with skills, and I need precision.
One thing I cannot use is Kinect, and that is just by choice. I'm not a 10 year old flailing around that needs to be given a free win. I'm an adult, with skills, and I need precision.
Bah, I like a good solid controller with buttons. So many buttons. I'm not sure what's so complex about them. My mom was able to figure out my Xbox controller pretty quickly when she wanted to use Netflix, and she hasn't touched a game controller since the NES days.
I would agree regarding touch screen. I think for a lot of people touch screen games are the most intuitive and that's where you will continue to see mass appeal. But there will always be a need and desire for those sexy buttons.
I would agree regarding touch screen. I think for a lot of people touch screen games are the most intuitive and that's where you will continue to see mass appeal. But there will always be a need and desire for those sexy buttons.
I think the issue with Kinect has more to do with the hardware not being ready for games that would have broad appeal.
With Nintendo, I think they're trying to maintain their "innovator" position within the pack.
I do think there was a "motion control" hype bubble that is on the decline, but I also think it would be a shame to see motion controls go away entirely. When someone made a GOOD Wii game it was a fantastic experience. No More Heroes, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, House of the Dead: Overkill and Metroid Prime 3 just would not have been nearly as much fun without the motion controls. The lack of good games seemed to have more to do with the lack of HD support which saw it lagging far, far behind the competition in terms of graphics.
With Nintendo, I think they're trying to maintain their "innovator" position within the pack.
I do think there was a "motion control" hype bubble that is on the decline, but I also think it would be a shame to see motion controls go away entirely. When someone made a GOOD Wii game it was a fantastic experience. No More Heroes, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, House of the Dead: Overkill and Metroid Prime 3 just would not have been nearly as much fun without the motion controls. The lack of good games seemed to have more to do with the lack of HD support which saw it lagging far, far behind the competition in terms of graphics.
Motion controls are way more complex than buttons! You have to learn the whole interface in every game, and most important, you don't have boundaries. I tried playing datura with the PS move, and ended up twisting myself, getting too close or too far to the screen and nothing worked properly. In a controller you press up and you now that you are at the maximum of "up". You press a button and you know that you did the action, and you don't keep second guessing your movements. Motion gaming is confusing and it plain doesn't work as it is today.
Try explaining some motion game for someone, instead of "press A", Or "press circle" you enter a long, unnecessary explanation of every move.
Try explaining some motion game for someone, instead of "press A", Or "press circle" you enter a long, unnecessary explanation of every move.
You like controllers, I like controllers, but the vast majority of humans don't like controllers. If they did your mom would be hooked on CoD and your grandma would be pissed about the ending of ME3.
Kinect is the state of the art for controller-less game design. No, it can't match the precision of a controller. Nut a controller can't match the precision of a keyboard/mouse setup, and you don't hear me screaming about noobs and their stupid mainstream consoles. To stir the pot a bit. >:)
Kinect is the state of the art for controller-less game design. No, it can't match the precision of a controller. Nut a controller can't match the precision of a keyboard/mouse setup, and you don't hear me screaming about noobs and their stupid mainstream consoles. To stir the pot a bit. >:)
So confirmed, Jade's new studio has wasted years of dev time on a failed concept and is trying to talk it up now she has committed millions of Ubisoft's money to the project.
I really don't agree. I think controllers aren't the problem. I think getting people over the learning curve of moving through a 3D space with one stick and manipulating the camera with another however might be. People don't shit themselves when they look at a keyboard, I refuse to believe buttons are inherently scary.
You get a lot more mainstream than FIFA or GTA with the likes of Angry Birds or Whateverville, which is probably what she was alluding to.
That said, unless they manage to grow in "emerging" markets like Latin America, core games have most likely gone as "mainstream" as they will ever go. This developer fantasy that Skyrim would rival Angry Birds in raw sales number if only it was more "accessible" would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
That said, unless they manage to grow in "emerging" markets like Latin America, core games have most likely gone as "mainstream" as they will ever go. This developer fantasy that Skyrim would rival Angry Birds in raw sales number if only it was more "accessible" would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
My girlfriend (who played Super Nintendo all the time when she was younger) is completely intimidated by modern controllers, and she's not alone. I can think of plenty of other people, some skilled at gaming, and some who've never touched a controller, who have expressed the same sentiment. Jade Raymond is 100% correct--just because people who post on a gaming blog have no trouble with controllers does not mean that the vast majority of the population feels the same way.
I would argue that expensive games and console prices is what's really keeping games from being mainstream. Need proof? the PS2 sold its most at the $100 price point. The mainstream wants games. They just don't want to pay out the ass for them.
But what am I thinking? This is videogames! Common sense obviously doesn't apply here! Give me that chicken with a pulley in the middle and I'll solve this in five minutes!
But what am I thinking? This is videogames! Common sense obviously doesn't apply here! Give me that chicken with a pulley in the middle and I'll solve this in five minutes!
motion controls are fine for people that don't need precision, such as little kids and housewives. They are a huge market, there's no denying. However whether they buy games as regularly as a gamer is the real trick. Just because they are a huge market doesn't mean they will cough up the cash. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
I think Ultor has it. I've introduced friends to games before and it's always the 3D spaces that screw them up. Something 2D is relatively simple to grasp; this button moves the character to the left, this one makes them jump etc. With 3D, though, you've got to control your point of view while doing all of that moving around, often through a far more complex environment. I saw people simple unable to do both at once, or having their gaze falling to the floor so they could keep track of what they're doing. Details that leaped out at me were missed by them because they were trying to process their surroundings. It's a disorientating experience who those who didn't grow up playing those sorts of games.
I don't think motion controls have died off so much as settled into their place in the grand scheme of things - another option that is sometimes better than traditional controllers, sometimes not.
If we move forward abandoning any options, that's just stupid.
I really wish people were just more fucking adaptable. I never have a problem with a different interface, but I'm especially annoyed by people that freak out over touch or motion inputs every time it comes up. Get over yourselves.
If we move forward abandoning any options, that's just stupid.
I really wish people were just more fucking adaptable. I never have a problem with a different interface, but I'm especially annoyed by people that freak out over touch or motion inputs every time it comes up. Get over yourselves.
@ CaimDark
If Skyrim cost 99 cents I'm gonna guess it would rival Angry Birds numbers.
Likewise if Angry Birds cost 60 bucks I'm gonna guess it wouldn't sell as much as Skyrim does now, no matter how easy and mainstream it is.
Controllers aren't scary, but paying 60 bucks for something you might not like probably is for most people.
If Skyrim cost 99 cents I'm gonna guess it would rival Angry Birds numbers.
Likewise if Angry Birds cost 60 bucks I'm gonna guess it wouldn't sell as much as Skyrim does now, no matter how easy and mainstream it is.
Controllers aren't scary, but paying 60 bucks for something you might not like probably is for most people.
@thomas1980
I seriously doubt that. Never mind that 99 cents Skyrim is a fantasy, do you really see people playing Skyrim in 5 minute bursts at buss stops? I certainly don't.
I seriously doubt that. Never mind that 99 cents Skyrim is a fantasy, do you really see people playing Skyrim in 5 minute bursts at buss stops? I certainly don't.
I think the issue is not the controller itself.
My GF enjoys playing Super Mario Bros. Wii with me, though you can argue, that this controller has less buttons, it's ulitmately boils down, that she doesn't want to invest in learning the control-schemes for other games, because the game isn't relevant to her interest. That's it. If you want something, or are interested in something, you put some time into it. If you simply don't care, you won't learn it.
She mastered the Wii Controller pretty quickly, as we soared together for an adventure unbound, which was relevant for her! (Though I had more experience, she would enclose herself in a bubble in critical moments).
My GF enjoys playing Super Mario Bros. Wii with me, though you can argue, that this controller has less buttons, it's ulitmately boils down, that she doesn't want to invest in learning the control-schemes for other games, because the game isn't relevant to her interest. That's it. If you want something, or are interested in something, you put some time into it. If you simply don't care, you won't learn it.
She mastered the Wii Controller pretty quickly, as we soared together for an adventure unbound, which was relevant for her! (Though I had more experience, she would enclose herself in a bubble in critical moments).
Dude, Jim... really? The single biggest turnoff for casuals is buttons. I have seen remote controllers for tv. And i know that most of my "casual" family dont know what to do with half the buttons and usually require me or someone else to walk them through the minimal needed button arrangement. And your really going to compare a keyboard to a game controller. People are under no pressure to input at any given speed with a keyboard.Casual people usually taking there time.
Way to make yourself sound like an inane jackass.
Way to make yourself sound like an inane jackass.
How is anyone supposed to take anything seriously that Ubisoft says. Maybe when they stop pushing out shovel-ware and get rid of their stupidly broken DRM system they can start making suggestions to the rest of the gaming world.
@TheEvil1
it is the other way round: being an idiot is the requirement to be a part of the mainstream
it is the other way round: being an idiot is the requirement to be a part of the mainstream
Buttons? FUCKING CRAZY. Can't learn that shit.
But seriously, even my mum can learn what they do, and she doesn't even touch vidjagames.
But seriously, even my mum can learn what they do, and she doesn't even touch vidjagames.
@kinneas123
Look at the SNES controller and compare it to the Playstation's Dualshock. The two controllers mostly the same, the only differences are that the dualshock has two additional shoulder buttons and a pair of analog sticks.
That's, essentially, only four additions.
Look at the SNES controller and compare it to the Playstation's Dualshock. The two controllers mostly the same, the only differences are that the dualshock has two additional shoulder buttons and a pair of analog sticks.
That's, essentially, only four additions.
Seriously guys!? This is the woman responsible for Assassin's Creed. She's not an idiot and she certainly didn't say anything "inane". WHen she says mainstream she is not talking about anything within the scope of videogames today. She means like James Cameron's Avatar or the success of a game like Angry Birds. It is my understanding that she would like to see "core" games with a more intuitive interface and a lower entry bar. And the discombobulation with "no screen" is B.S. those games are set up either like a game pad or with swipe controls. Also your t.v. remote analogy is crap because those buttonns never change what they do and alot of people have problems getting it to do anything other then volume up down channel up down and on/off. Call of Duty and Fifa are big to us because they are king of the industry we are in. But in the global market in regards to consumer base the video game industry is like a drop in the bucket compared to the reach of FIFA on t.v. She also has no love for Kinect! She said herself the technology has a way to go before we are there. Have a little gd perspective. ANd stop insulting people because you don't like what they have to say. How about a little civil discourse guys?
Jim, find a person who has never played a video game before, and have them try any Call of Duty game. I'll eat your sweaty plush Skyrim helmet if that person manages to move around as they intend within five minutes. And if they figure out where the R3 and L3 buttons are, I'll personally murder what is obviously an alien in disguise.
Not that I agree with her - that's like saying cars kill people so we should all use horses. The problem is not with controllers, but with modern, bloated controllers. We should be looking at the NES controller and trying to create a new step in a direction other than MOAR BUTTONS. But her point is just exaggerated, not inane.
Not that I agree with her - that's like saying cars kill people so we should all use horses. The problem is not with controllers, but with modern, bloated controllers. We should be looking at the NES controller and trying to create a new step in a direction other than MOAR BUTTONS. But her point is just exaggerated, not inane.
Yeah but Skyrim isn't a game for your aunt Edna, and it sold millions.
There's a market for uber casuals, and for gamers. Thinking the controller is the problem is failing to recognize the true reasons a game fails.
There's a market for uber casuals, and for gamers. Thinking the controller is the problem is failing to recognize the true reasons a game fails.
I feel like gamers should have some sort of catchy phrase to express that they still like controllers. Like "I Am in Control". #IMinC
..... On further reading apparently works for Ubisoft.... so any stance she has is instantly invalidated.
Also Steel battalion had 40+ buttons spanning two joysticks/consoles and foot pedals. Steel Battalion != Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor.
The only thing Steel Battalion ever disapointed me with is that I initially thought the fuel toggles were some sort of intermix control system. That would allow you to control things like the fuel oxygen mix to get the most out of your VT, sadly they were just toggles :(
Also Steel battalion had 40+ buttons spanning two joysticks/consoles and foot pedals. Steel Battalion != Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor.
The only thing Steel Battalion ever disapointed me with is that I initially thought the fuel toggles were some sort of intermix control system. That would allow you to control things like the fuel oxygen mix to get the most out of your VT, sadly they were just toggles :(
GAMES ARENT FOR EVERYONE
most hobbies arent. ballet, horse riding, videogames, weightlifting, whatever it is, people have DIFFERENT taste, and thats a good thing unless you are an incredibly greedy company who only cares about making billions.
the games industry makes a lot of money as it is, does it need to cater to every human being on the planet? no. even something mainstream like movies has people who just arent into it or on a very very casual basis.
If you want to do something right, you need to learn it. You need to learn how to play a piano, or play a sport. You dont just automatically get to be great at something instantly. same with games, you have to learn your way around a pad. we all have had to do it for each new gen of games. if you care enough you will learn, if you dont, you wont. theres no need to dumb things down to an extent where no imput is needed at all.
most hobbies arent. ballet, horse riding, videogames, weightlifting, whatever it is, people have DIFFERENT taste, and thats a good thing unless you are an incredibly greedy company who only cares about making billions.
the games industry makes a lot of money as it is, does it need to cater to every human being on the planet? no. even something mainstream like movies has people who just arent into it or on a very very casual basis.
If you want to do something right, you need to learn it. You need to learn how to play a piano, or play a sport. You dont just automatically get to be great at something instantly. same with games, you have to learn your way around a pad. we all have had to do it for each new gen of games. if you care enough you will learn, if you dont, you wont. theres no need to dumb things down to an extent where no imput is needed at all.
There are a lot of people I know who wont play games on the PS3/360 because the controllers are too complicated. It's not that they have buttons, it's they have 4 face buttons four shoulder buttons, a c-pad, and 2 analog sticks that also act as buttons. It's just as much the layout and orginization of all that which puts them off. They look at a PS3 or 360 pad and don't even know where to start.
That's part of why I think that Wii games that use the control pad turned on it's side are so popular. It's not that people want no buttons. It's that they want to be able to figure out what every button and stick on the controller does with in 2 seconds, not 2 hours.
That's part of why I think that Wii games that use the control pad turned on it's side are so popular. It's not that people want no buttons. It's that they want to be able to figure out what every button and stick on the controller does with in 2 seconds, not 2 hours.
@SephirothX You are correct, and I think her confusion probably boils down to moving around in a 3-D space and controlling the camera, like others have said.
Everytime Jade Raymond opens her mouth, I wonder how she climbed to the rank that she's reached in Ubisoft. Does she even play video games? Maybe I missed something, but I thought games went mainstream quite a long time ago.
I'd also like to add that the Wiimote turned on its side is probably my favorite controller of this generation, and the one that pretty much everyone I've tried to play games with understands (although they hate the naming scheme for the + and - buttons).
Let me just say: No I do not want to lean around corner or other stupid bullshit like that.
I want to sit on my chair like the lazy piece of shit I am and press a button to do that. Keep your stupid motion control that makes games more of a hassle than they need to be.
I want to sit on my chair like the lazy piece of shit I am and press a button to do that. Keep your stupid motion control that makes games more of a hassle than they need to be.
I like the idea of using Kinect in conjunction with "real" controllers to supplement functions too difficult to map on a console -- like her leaning-around-corners idea -- but this cry for dumbing down the controllers themselves is pretty silly. Anyone who's memorized the layout of a QWERTY keyboard and its 26+ keys should be able to figure out a controller with 10 buttons relatively easily.
I like the Extra Credit's explanation of motion controls.
and I paraphrase, "Motion controls are the 'uncanny valley' of controls. They're similar to real life movement, but just different enough to feel strange and unnatural."
and I paraphrase, "Motion controls are the 'uncanny valley' of controls. They're similar to real life movement, but just different enough to feel strange and unnatural."
Get some perspective people.
Just because you guys don't like it doesn't mean she's not right.
Your Mom has just as much right to play video games as you do.
Just because you guys don't like it doesn't mean she's not right.
Your Mom has just as much right to play video games as you do.
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