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If Nintendo actually knew what they were doing, they would have released the 3DS now accompanying the release of Ocarina of Time 3DS. I have no doubt that it would have sold amazingly if they had some special bundle with OoT.
But the 3DS and GameCube does not have the same problem. Price of the 3DS was not an issue, it's the lack of games, and that has yet to be solved.
It's only a minor upgrade from the DS if you look apart from the 3D gimmick.
I have little sympathy for them. They admitted to raise the launch price due to the good reception at E3.
It's only a minor upgrade from the DS if you look apart from the 3D gimmick.
I have little sympathy for them. They admitted to raise the launch price due to the good reception at E3.
Lies, tales of symphonia was the best thing Gcube had going for it. I would have said Skies of arcadia .... but without pinta's quest it was just a little hollow ~.~
Yeah, GameCube's problem was its poor game library, not the price. A price cut will probably help the 3DS, but I've personally held of on buying one simply because all of the promised 1st and 3rd party games just seem to be trickling in very slowly. OoT just now came out, and I'm still waiting on Paper Mario and Metal Gear Solid 3.
@orz
Because this is America where Call of Duty is king and the only real best selling series here is Final Fantasy.
Because this is America where Call of Duty is king and the only real best selling series here is Final Fantasy.
@orz
Because this is America where Call of Duty is king and the only real best selling rpg series here is Final Fantasy.
Because this is America where Call of Duty is king and the only real best selling rpg series here is Final Fantasy.
Hopefully they really did learn from the NGC, bc it wasn't that the system didn't have potential, they just squandered it by being arrogant and refusing to change to push units.
I'd hate to see one of their handhelds do the same.
I'd hate to see one of their handhelds do the same.
Remember when they completely cancelled Gamecube production and dropped the price of the console to $99, then 3 months later they had to restart manufacturing the consoles because they were actually selling again? Hey, I bought one because of that!
I'm not a fan of Nintendo... mainly because I'm not ten. That's not to say the games aren't themselves fun or too "kiddish" because everything has its place. The main rewarding is simply the disproportionate amount of games that lack mature narrative or themes. It seems like if you enjoy depth or God forbid really visceral violence, you buy dead space extraction. After the games we grew up with began growing up with us, aside from new control interfaces or characters Nintendo has decidedly focused on the next batch of younglings to convert to gaming, releasing games for the aging fans that rely purely on nostalgia. Its not a neverland situation, where we abandoned Nintendo. Monetary decisions drove Nintendo to abandon, albeit not completely (madword), my age group. I like the past. Its a nice place to visit, etc... etc.
If nintendo learns anything is to release those fucking JRPG's FOR THE WII!!!
which I know will never happen * cries in corner knowing I still will buy Wii U * I am so weak .....p.p
which I know will never happen * cries in corner knowing I still will buy Wii U * I am so weak .....p.p
Price drop is a good thing for sure but you know what would be even better? Good games, not remakes.
Rouge Squadron was one of the most impressive games from the last generation and it was a Gamecube launch title. I don't understand why the system didn't have more graphical powerhouse titles like that and RE4.
The issue is purely & simply lack of good (open to interpretation) content (both digital & cartridge)
Whatever the problem is here is anybody's guess, but there is no denying there is one.
It doesn't really matter if Nintendo regards this as a problem or not, a significant proportion of their customers (and potential customers) do. I manage a game store & it is a frequent reason cited for not buying or returning/trading in a 3DS.
I believe the pricing structure of eShop content is also completely wrong and drastically needs amending.
Specific 3DS game (or at the very least some of the better Wiiware games ported) shop content is desperately needed along with some major third party support (where the **** is it..?)
I am a long standing big N zealot, but believe they have dropped the ball big time (at least so far) with the 3DS.
I still have faith, whether it turns out to be misguided is another matter.
Whatever the problem is here is anybody's guess, but there is no denying there is one.
It doesn't really matter if Nintendo regards this as a problem or not, a significant proportion of their customers (and potential customers) do. I manage a game store & it is a frequent reason cited for not buying or returning/trading in a 3DS.
I believe the pricing structure of eShop content is also completely wrong and drastically needs amending.
Specific 3DS game (or at the very least some of the better Wiiware games ported) shop content is desperately needed along with some major third party support (where the **** is it..?)
I am a long standing big N zealot, but believe they have dropped the ball big time (at least so far) with the 3DS.
I still have faith, whether it turns out to be misguided is another matter.
@youngskeletor
While I mostly agree, as a long time nintendo fan I have to say I don't play Nintendo titles for nostalgia, but rather for the fact that in this fast, rapidly changing industry, Nintendo is a rock. There's something incredibly comforting about the idea that, for example, while a lot of other games I play I may be dissapointed by or unhappy with, I can always rely on a new kirby title to brighten things up.
While I mostly agree, as a long time nintendo fan I have to say I don't play Nintendo titles for nostalgia, but rather for the fact that in this fast, rapidly changing industry, Nintendo is a rock. There's something incredibly comforting about the idea that, for example, while a lot of other games I play I may be dissapointed by or unhappy with, I can always rely on a new kirby title to brighten things up.
"i personally don't believe it was the price of the GameCube that caused it to 'fail,' but rather a shortage of solid (also, exclusive) games."
Well its kind of cyclical isn't it? If the system doesn't sell, than games don't get made for it and if games doesn't get made for it, than more systems won't get sold. Its just a vicious cycle, that the GC just couldn't get out of. There was other factors of course, but if Nintendo had of acted earlier, than it might have had a different fate. I mean after all, the XboX really didn't outsell the GC by all that much. It was like 21 VS 25 million, so who knows what could of happened!
Well its kind of cyclical isn't it? If the system doesn't sell, than games don't get made for it and if games doesn't get made for it, than more systems won't get sold. Its just a vicious cycle, that the GC just couldn't get out of. There was other factors of course, but if Nintendo had of acted earlier, than it might have had a different fate. I mean after all, the XboX really didn't outsell the GC by all that much. It was like 21 VS 25 million, so who knows what could of happened!
We're still living off reiterations of old IP since the past 30 years now. Its good and bad, if its tried, tested and ain't broke then don't fix it, right?
However this seems to be the consensus of opinion taken by the movie industry too. Nobody is really producing anything new due to "risk". So you can only milk a cow so many times until you end up like Square-Enix, with no new consumer products to release and failing interest.
Then to top it off, we have quite frankly baffling decisions like:
"We have no plans to release GBA games officially on the Eshop"...which is like saying: "We don't have plans to make money or utilize the tools at our disposal."
I think you have to remember they are a very conservative company Nintendo and its reflected in the fact they don't want to work with Indie (or as they call them "Garage Developers") Developers and the refusal to upkeep or design a user friendly and content filled online experience for its consumers.
In the end I DO think they will come out allright, however they need to reshuffle their management a bit since their decision making in the context of promotion and service structure is a little bit below-par up until now.
However this seems to be the consensus of opinion taken by the movie industry too. Nobody is really producing anything new due to "risk". So you can only milk a cow so many times until you end up like Square-Enix, with no new consumer products to release and failing interest.
Then to top it off, we have quite frankly baffling decisions like:
"We have no plans to release GBA games officially on the Eshop"...which is like saying: "We don't have plans to make money or utilize the tools at our disposal."
I think you have to remember they are a very conservative company Nintendo and its reflected in the fact they don't want to work with Indie (or as they call them "Garage Developers") Developers and the refusal to upkeep or design a user friendly and content filled online experience for its consumers.
In the end I DO think they will come out allright, however they need to reshuffle their management a bit since their decision making in the context of promotion and service structure is a little bit below-par up until now.
@orz It's not a sense of being grown-up that sells Mature games. For me it's intuitive controls and engrossing atmosphere that make me love them.
I've tried Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, Starfox, Pikmen, and Metroid. They all rely on nostalgia to overcome their awkwardness, while Kirby and Donkey Kong Country invite modern players to learn of their charm. Nintendo should learn from those two series as well as rebuild their entire network so that it functions like every other network on the internet. If not, the WiiU is going to have a hard time just like the 3DS.
I've tried Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, Starfox, Pikmen, and Metroid. They all rely on nostalgia to overcome their awkwardness, while Kirby and Donkey Kong Country invite modern players to learn of their charm. Nintendo should learn from those two series as well as rebuild their entire network so that it functions like every other network on the internet. If not, the WiiU is going to have a hard time just like the 3DS.
I thought the gamecube had amazing exclusives. Enternal darkness being at the top! I think the gamecube had one of the best nintendo libraries for games being ranged from E to M. The system really had something for everyone and then the wii came out :(
If Nintendo thinks the price is the only issue, then they haven't learned from the Gamecube.
The Gamecube suffered primarily from a poor image, just like the 3DS. For the Cube, it was the perception that it was a kiddie console with few worthwhile games released by a company that was stuck 5 years behind the competition. For the 3DS, the perception is that it makes your eyes bleed and has few games released by a company stuck 10 years behind the competition.
Cutting the price of the Gamecube was not going to make it a contender because both the public-at-large and the game developers had already pigeonholed it, and nothing short of a massive rethinking would have been capable of changing that, because that is the set-up for a reinforcing loop. Heck, even after Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil 4 were released, people were still saying that a Nintendo console only had kids games and couldn't have "mature" games.
The Wii has different problems. Its selling gimmick of 3D is pretty much a bust. It *is* lacking in the game department, worse than the Gamecube. Nintendo appeared oblivious to the damage inflicted by the PSP versus the DS, which was enough to cause some people to wait on a 3DS to see what the Vita would offer. And Nintendo is still oblivious to the rapidly increasing effects of the phone/tablet market.
The Gamecube suffered primarily from a poor image, just like the 3DS. For the Cube, it was the perception that it was a kiddie console with few worthwhile games released by a company that was stuck 5 years behind the competition. For the 3DS, the perception is that it makes your eyes bleed and has few games released by a company stuck 10 years behind the competition.
Cutting the price of the Gamecube was not going to make it a contender because both the public-at-large and the game developers had already pigeonholed it, and nothing short of a massive rethinking would have been capable of changing that, because that is the set-up for a reinforcing loop. Heck, even after Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil 4 were released, people were still saying that a Nintendo console only had kids games and couldn't have "mature" games.
The Wii has different problems. Its selling gimmick of 3D is pretty much a bust. It *is* lacking in the game department, worse than the Gamecube. Nintendo appeared oblivious to the damage inflicted by the PSP versus the DS, which was enough to cause some people to wait on a 3DS to see what the Vita would offer. And Nintendo is still oblivious to the rapidly increasing effects of the phone/tablet market.
I used to love my Gamecube because my friends and I would all play Smash Bros. and Soul Calibur together. The I got an Xbox, Xbox Live and Halo 2. Big Team Battle meant I could play with fifteen other people whenever I felt like it, not on special gaming nights. That kind of ended my Nintendo fanboy phase right there.
I grew up. Nintendo hasn't.
I grew up. Nintendo hasn't.
The 3ds has sold more than the ds did. So the way I see it cutting the price and the holiday lineup of tons of awesome third party games is just the beginning
@Epic-Kx: No doubt. I loved CvS2 so much. That, Wind Waker, Soul Calibur 2, Bloody Roar: Primal Fury, F-Zero GX, Tales of Symphonia. The memories are flooding back, now.
new ips dont push systems and most of them dont make profit. They just dont.
Ever wonder why both nintendo and sony are pushing remakes and sequels like crazy>
Ever wonder why both nintendo and sony are pushing remakes and sequels like crazy>
I wish people would stop saying all Nintendo makes is "remakes" I mean seriously Nintendo has innovated in most of their games more than any other company has.
Price was never a problem for the Gamecube, but yeah they let a lot of crap happen which just bit them in the ass.
Losing Rare for example... that's millions of sales down the drain.
Gamecube as second best console ever behind the N64. THE END.
Losing Rare for example... that's millions of sales down the drain.
Gamecube as second best console ever behind the N64. THE END.
Since when did people like the gamecube? I got a PS2 2 years ago and I already know how much better it is than my launch gamecube
@youngskeletor
People like you make me overjoyed to be me. How does that stick up your ass 24/7 feel, anyways???
Gamecube was the best thing last generation. It had THE most timeless and innovative games during it's lifespan.
Jim LOVES NINTENDO so much he can't stop bashing them. I think we know what his daddy was like growing up. LOL
People like you make me overjoyed to be me. How does that stick up your ass 24/7 feel, anyways???
Gamecube was the best thing last generation. It had THE most timeless and innovative games during it's lifespan.
Jim LOVES NINTENDO so much he can't stop bashing them. I think we know what his daddy was like growing up. LOL
@youngskeletor
Haha oh wow. If you're worried about such tripe you need to just get out of this medium as far as hobbies are concerned.
I find try hard mature titles to be a lot more embarrassing and immature than something simply trying to be fun and designed for that.
Most titles that are "mature" by other peoples standards contain the writing of a b-movie title and the pandering techniques used to lure males 12-18. A REAL MATURE GROUP. I have to say such titles really contain some real mature merits and wide appeal /sarcasm
ADULT CONTENT DOESN'T = MATURE
Anyone who thinks they need to be 10 to enjoy a Nintendo title has got to be kidding. A kid can enjoy the fun and colors but an adult can really appreciate the platforming and design and a game like Galaxy 2 is perfectly fine for adults who seriously appreciate video games.
I'm not saying a game shouldn't strive for high quality narratives or appeal to adults but I have to laugh at MATURE GAMERS and seriously Mad World? I love Madworld but if you think that game is mature and not for Bart Simpson kids with "COOL VIOLENCE! HURR" attitudes, than you've got to be kidding me. That kind of shit is the stuff that attracts kids WAY more. Just how many kids do you have to have yelling at you over an headset anyway?
I'm 23 and enjoy a variety of titles from Bioshock to Mario. I hardly think Nintendo is kids-only stuff. It's more like 'for everyone-stuff' who wants to play. Kind of like how Pixar movies are pretty damn good and I'd hardly say they're kids-only.
Haha oh wow. If you're worried about such tripe you need to just get out of this medium as far as hobbies are concerned.
I find try hard mature titles to be a lot more embarrassing and immature than something simply trying to be fun and designed for that.
Most titles that are "mature" by other peoples standards contain the writing of a b-movie title and the pandering techniques used to lure males 12-18. A REAL MATURE GROUP. I have to say such titles really contain some real mature merits and wide appeal /sarcasm
ADULT CONTENT DOESN'T = MATURE
Anyone who thinks they need to be 10 to enjoy a Nintendo title has got to be kidding. A kid can enjoy the fun and colors but an adult can really appreciate the platforming and design and a game like Galaxy 2 is perfectly fine for adults who seriously appreciate video games.
I'm not saying a game shouldn't strive for high quality narratives or appeal to adults but I have to laugh at MATURE GAMERS and seriously Mad World? I love Madworld but if you think that game is mature and not for Bart Simpson kids with "COOL VIOLENCE! HURR" attitudes, than you've got to be kidding me. That kind of shit is the stuff that attracts kids WAY more. Just how many kids do you have to have yelling at you over an headset anyway?
I'm 23 and enjoy a variety of titles from Bioshock to Mario. I hardly think Nintendo is kids-only stuff. It's more like 'for everyone-stuff' who wants to play. Kind of like how Pixar movies are pretty damn good and I'd hardly say they're kids-only.
But we all know the price cut was made due to children suffering eye damage then going out on a murderous rampage. It's true because it was in the tabloids!
I always thought the Gamecube was a solid console, probably one of my favorites. But aside from the Virtual Boy I think it was probably one of their least successful consoles in terms of units sold and they don't want to make that mistake again, especially with one of their portables.
@ryanzero Pikmin can't very well rely on nostalgia considering it was released in 2001. I mean sure that's 10 years but its nothing considering mario and zelda are now 25 years old. also regardless of that I still have no Idea what you are talking about, even if there was some akwardness in the controls I don't understand how you could blatantly deny the bucketloads of atmosphere in zelda, metroid, and pikmin. I will grant you that mario and pokemon do not have that much atmosphere and I've never played starfox.
Nintendo isn't going to learn any lessons. They've always been a very stubborn company, always staying the course. If they were on a sinking boat, they'd just cross their arms and state "There are no problems with the boat. There are no plans to repair it in the future."
This is probably one of the very few times I've ever seen them admit a mistake.
There were actually some really badass One Piece games for the GC, but WHOOPS region locking! It did make an awesome and stylish doorstep though.
This is probably one of the very few times I've ever seen them admit a mistake.
There were actually some really badass One Piece games for the GC, but WHOOPS region locking! It did make an awesome and stylish doorstep though.
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