Obviously, we gamers need more quality games for the Wii and more fixes for some universal problems (the Wiimote and WiiConnect24, for instance), but is Nintendo currently in a position where they
have to address any of these problems? If the rest of the Wii's lifespan continued to be mediocre and bug-ridden, would it make any difference for Nintendo?
Consider what happened with the Gamecube: a few gems, a sea of crap. Same thing with the Nintendo 64. Nintendo's last two systems drew the metaphorical short straw and lost their respective console races. And yet, despite these failures, Nintendo was still able to go on and make a new system each following generation.
And now we've got the Wii. A potentially amazing, but practically flawed gaming system with a pretty disappointing roster of upcoming games (if you need more than one hand to count the number of 2007's upcoming Wii games you are excited about, then you probably lost some fingers in a spaghetti cutter or something).
The question is, would it make a difference to Nintendo if the rest of the Wii's lifespan consisted of nothing but mediocre games punctuated by one or two decent ones?
It may seem like a weird or irrelevant question, but bear with me -- this'll be a detailed (and wordy) analysis of how Nintendo is profiting off the Wii, and what it may mean for us gamers.
And what's more, not once will I refer to Nintendo as "Ninty."
The Questions:
Does Nintendo need (not want, need) to make improvements to the Wii, or create better games for it, in order to come through the console war intact? Is the possibility of Nintendo creating a system for the next generation (as in, post-Wii) already a done deal? Does it matter to Nintendo whether or not the Wii gets any better throughout its lifespan?
Let's see.
Nintendo already made a profit
Unlike pretty much every other video game system in the last decade, Nintendo did not take a loss on their most recent video game system (perhaps because the Wii contains pretty outdated hardware, as will be discussed later). While Microsoft will have to wait until 2008 to turn a profit on the Xbox, Nintendo is making money now.
Most systems which are sold at a loss do so because the companies eventually make up for that loss by overpricing games: your PS3 cost more than 600 bucks to make, but was sold to you for less than that. The games cost less than 60 bucks to make, but are sold to you for more. On a long enough timeline, Sony will eventually break even, and then begin to make a profit.
So since Nintendo is already making a profit, it is not a stretch to say that there is not as much of a financial incentive for them to create loads upon loads of classic games.
And considering pretty much all of the launch systems (around 6 million) have been more or less sold out, that's a considerable chunk of change in Nintendo's pocket. This means that, at least from a financial standpoint, the Wii is already something of a success -- or, at the very least, it isn't a failure. While Nintendo obviously wants people to buy great Nintendo-licensed games (more money is more money, no matter how you look at it), the financial desperation experienced by Microsoft and Sony to sell quality games does not exist.
The Wii's main flaws are integral to the system
Factor 5 president Julian Eggbrecht says the hardware audio sucks. Free Radical Design says the Wii doesn't have the necessary horsepower to run any of their upcoming games. Nearly everyone and their mother have lambasted the Wii for its substandard graphics, calling it "Gamecube 1.5".
Now, what does this mean? Well, firstly, it's important to note that we're stuck with this shit. Even the most optimistic of Nintendo fanboys will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that the Wii is what it is, and its hardware will never improve. Granted, we may see its technology pushed to the limit -- remember what the Gamecube did with Resident Evil 4 -- but quite simply, the Wii will remain visually and aurally underwhelming for the rest of its lifespan.
And, to a degree, this was intentional. Before the Wii launch, Reggie and Shigeru frequently told journalists that the Wii was about gameplay innovation and not amazing graphics. Translated from bullshit to English, this means that Nintendo would have given the Wii amazing graphics if it could have, but this would have raised the hardware costs, which would have forced Nintendo to either sell the Wii for a much higher cost (we're talking double its current price), or sell them at a loss. Nintendo was evidently not willing to take that large a risk on what was essentially an experiment: would gamers still accept a system that favored streamlined gestures over joystick wobbling? A system that prioritized physical movement over button mashing?
When one considers the strength of the Wii's launch, it becomes obvious that Nintendo has already gotten their answer.
Gamers have shown they're willing to try something new
Nintendo's "gambit," as it has often been called, has, to a degree, paid off. They now know that gamers will throw away a couple hundred bucks to get a game experience they can't find anywhere else, no matter how crappy the graphics are. Even ignoring the Nintendo fanboys.
Many, many gamers (myself included) came out in force to buy a system that attempted to accomplish something new. Gamers are getting tired of the same old shit, and the purchase of a Wii is a symbolic way of showing your desire for truly original gameplay. Granted, I say "symbolic" because we haven't quite gotten anything truly original yet: some innovative games, some new methods of playing, but we have not yet gotten a game that uses the Wiimote to anywhere near its full potential.
But whether or not we do get to play a truly original Wii game within the next few years may honestly not matter that much to Nintendo: they know that we'll pay good money to get one step closer to virtual reality, graphics irregardless.
The N64 and Gamecube also "lost" the console races, but were still succeeded by more technologically advanced systems
The Nintendo 64 came in 2nd place during the fifth console generation, selling 32.93 million consoles versus Sony's 100 million Playstations sold. The Gamecube came in third during the sixth generation, selling only 21.2 million while the PS2 and the Xbox sold 111.25 million units and 24 million units, respectively.
And yet, both systems were followed by more technologically advanced successors. While both systems were sold at a slight loss and technically failed to win their respective console races, but that didn't stop Nintendo from moving on to the next console generation.
Would it then not be reasonable to assume that, no matter what, we will get another Nintendo system in the next console generation? Is it unreasonable to wonder if Nintendo released the Wii as an experiment, designed to see how a new gameplay method would fare? And if it were, would their true goal then be not to make the Wii itself a fantastic success, but to rather use it as a prototype for the system that was to succeed it?
It sounds vaguely conspiratorial to put it in these terms, but consider this:
-Nintendo intentionally uses comparatively unimpressive hardware to lower the Wii production cost, allowing them to sell every system at a profit.
-Based on the Wii's sales figures, Nintendo now knows exactly how far gamers are willing to go for something new that is risky but innovative.
-With this knowledge, Nintendo can use more advanced hardware (resulting in better graphics, sound, and interactivity) on their next system and sell it at a higher price, whilst taking a loss like every other console.
-Since Nintendo didn't lose any money on the Wii, the entire system's lifespan essentially acts as market research data to determine how enthusiastically gamers will respond to a more expensive, potentially riskier investment in the Wii's successor.
Again, a bit conspiratorial? Yes. But possible? Very.
Nintendo Fanboys are the most forgiving fanboys in the world
While many gamers might become too jaded by the Wii's mediocre game library to invest in a post-Wii Nintendo system, Nintendo will always have the consistent backing of its fanboys. While every console admittedly has its own share of tenacious supporters, Nintendo's fanboys have by far been the most vocal and the most dedicated.
Neither Microsoft nor Sony has the ravenously loyal fanbase that Nintendo has (though the morons in charge of Sony sure seemed to think so before the PS3's launch). No matter what Nintendo does, there will always be a subsection of gamers, old and young, who immediately equate the word "Nintendo" with "video games" and end up buying every new Nintendo system that comes out.
Hey, look, a concluding paragraph
When written as a list of bullet points, the Wii's future quickly looks pretty bleak. The hardware will never get better, Nintendo doesn't need to create dozens of quality first-party games in order to turn a profit, and there will always be a core group of fanboys who will be ready to buy Nintendo's next system, whatever it is. But to be fair, you can more or less flip a coin to decide whether the Wii will improve through its lifetime, or wither and stagnate as its predecessors did. On the one hand, the Wii has garnered an almost unprecedented amount of enthusiasm stemming from its accessible, innovative control style. On the other hand...well, you're at the concluding paragraph of an article that has spent several pages talking about how little it profits Nintendo to make the Wii any better. You figure it out.
I am hopeful that the Wii will bring about something amazing that will bring me back to the joy I had with it on the first week of buying it, but so far, I'm with Summa.
Also cocks.
It never will be. I don't expect it to be. What I expect is new, original games like we're seeing on the DS. Games that are fun. I do hope that these games aren't all centered around mini-games and 5 minute fun. I like quick games as much as the next gamer, but give us some real content.
Also, Rev A, you forgot to mention the dough rolling in from the VC. Everything they sell on their is pure cash.
Definitely. Once I get that they can port as many Pixar games to the Wii as they want.
Not giving up hope though, I have some faith in them.
nice idea, but couldnt they just make it as an peripheral for a another console (i know why they didn't because mario will never be seen on sony or ms) and support it a little better than sony the eyetoy (in long term)
Metroid Prime 3 (take it off if it doesn't)
Sadness
Manhunt 2
Smash Bros Brawl
Mario Galaxy
TMNT
Prince of Persia: Rival Swords (never played it on the Cube)
Alien Syndrome
Maybe Godzilla (depends on how it turns out)
That is at least 9 games and at least 3 or 4 of them will be BIG titles. Not to mention the sea of DS games coming out...
Hopefully that new resi' game will be good as I'm a bit sceptical about the new Mario game with it's running around spheres and what not.
Now that the dust has settled I simply do not have a desire for one, nor do I care about the 360 or PS3. Each of my friends has one of these consoles in their house and I visit them enough to satisfy my need to play the games they offer.
I don't see any system getting much better in the long run, to be completely honest.
the N64 failed b/c it had similar hardware specs to the psx but ports didn't really work. early on the n64 was the only console to offer analogue controls (much like the motion sensing now) so creating a game to use the console to its full potential meant it must stay a n64 exclusive.
what we're about to find out is what makes more money:
a single game that can be distributed across multiple platforms (aka the plethora of 360/ps3 3rd party games about to flood the pike)
or....
a game thats cheaper to develop.
if the numbers are close, then the wii will flourish with continued 3rd party support, if the ps3/360 ports sell a fuckton better, than why develop for the wii?
nintendo will stay in the hardware race. because right now they do motion controls best, and it is a unique gameplay experience. if they were to catch up to the other consoles in the next generation, and come out of the gate guns blazing with refined wiimotes, ps4 quality graphics and a mario or zelda game at launch, we'd all eat it up like the idiots we are.
until the next drought.
I dropped $300 on Wii and Red Steel on launch day. So far it has almost completely disappointed me.
It's probably because my hopes were set sky high. I got "good", but I expected "fantastic". Oh well, SSBM should be more than worth it!
What are people expectng with the Wii? Everytime a game is announced, someone says "Oh man,imagine playing that with the Wii remote." Not me. I'm over it already -- a new experience or a solid tried and true game, I don't care. Just make it good and fun.
The DS was mired with Tech Demos for the first year. Hence, tune in in November.
In the comparison to the N64 and the Cube, you filed to point-out the lack of 3rd Party support. The Wii has greater 3rd Party support than the 360 or the PS3.
In conclusion, the premature death of the Wii is overly cocky and prematurely ejaculated.
That little white box isn't trying to step on big boy's feet. The Wii is going down a different path. Nintendo wants everyone to experience the joy of gaming.
and Destructoid bloggers.....WTF
Don't pick on the Wii for being different, you conservative assholes.
/ AM I WRONG!?!
EVERY game console has a period of dryness after launch. Look at the 360 last year and the PS3 this year or even the DS after its launch. Were we FLOODED with AAA titles then? NO. So why all of the sudden people expect 20 AA titles when usually consoles don't have games. Plus I'd bet that most 3rd parties weren't into the Wii, then they saw how many people bought it so now they are starting to develop games. I mean EA has supposedly 5+ titles coming, Ubisoft (love it or hate it) has a bunch of games coming, then you go 1st party and 2nd party games...seems like some people are just looking for something to complain about.
Nintendo will come out with at least a few games eventually
After 360 launch i didnt buy a game until Gears came out
I also think it's about time Nintendo started using that profit: Updated/online vc, exclusives, big budget games (ff, mass effect, gears), higher production values in their games (voice acting!!!, non-synthesized casio music).
I wish people expected more from Nin than a new Mario, Zelda, Metroid game every few years.
I'm not trying to be a fanboy, but I think the Wii needs some time. So does the PS3. The 360 on the other hand is looking very good right now and putting the others to shame. If it looks like this next year for the Wii, then we'll know that we definately have another Gamecube.
Personally, I hope Rev A is right. That the Wii is just a stepping stone for the Wii 2 with the super cell processor and Purple Ray drive, with built in holodeck.
Factor 5 president Julian Eggbrecht says the hardware audio sucks. Free Radical Design says the Wii doesn't have the necessary horsepower to run any of their upcoming games. Nearly everyone and their mother have lambasted the Wii for its substandard graphics, calling it "Gamecube 1.5"."
Are these the only issues you have with the Wii? Last-gen graphics and sound? Is this the basis for your whole argument?
I find the Wii to be endlessly entertaining. The interface is sleek and sweet; and it works great. The technology of the Wiimore is much more impressive than an incremential graphical upgrade. And Wii Sports has engrossed me more than any other videogame in recent memory. The most disappointing thing about the Wii is how tedious and boring the new Zelda is (and not because of "tacked-on" motion control).
Those who fail to learn from thier mistakes are destined to repeat them. This is the exact same discussion from 2 years ago, when it was DS vs. PSP. The Wii games will come. Give the developers time to figure it out. And while the graphics will not get much better, the GAMES certainly will. Isn't that the point?
so many issues with what you said...
How can you say Nintendo brings the same stuff but not the PS3 did the same thing? Looking to bash Nintendo are we?
So Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Mario Galaxy...all those aren't big budget? What makes a game a "big budget" game?
And there hasn't been a whole lot of Zelda titles considering it has been around for 20 years and even less for Metroid which is also only 20 years old.
When's the Wii going to be absolutely worth it? Same as the Gamecube, the Wii will peak in a few years. When it drops price to 150 bucks, and has 5-10 GOLDEN games that must be played by everyone... it'll be worth it's weight and more.
First of all, saying it's not good is just one person's opinion, hardly the basis for a bigass article such as this. And it's not like we haven't seen 30 articles on this very site about the same damn thing. It's truly getting annoying.
And second, games are being announced for the Wii at a much greater rate than for the Cube or, if I remember correctly, the N64. Not that all of them will be awesome, but support IS rolling in pretty quickly, which as an early adopter, is a nice thing to see.
Finally, as mentioned in some other comment, there are many games coming out this year I am looking forward to.
Metroid Prime 3
Sadness
Manhunt 2
Smash Bros Brawl
Mario Galaxy
The Godfather (haven't played it, looks cool)
Scarface (same)
MoH Vanguard
Tiger Woods
Blitz
Madden 08
Battalion Wars 2
Forever Blue
Animal Crossing
Project Hammer
Disaster
Note: I do not have 16 fingers on one hand
This place has been shit since Summa got here.
Any experiment that makes money is one worth doing, I feel.
Name the games that you are excited about for the PS3? (psst MGS 4 and FF XIII might be 2008 releases)
Aside from the number of games, the number of games Rev may be excited about might be a lot less/more than the number of games I'm excited about for either console.
Nintendo knows that they have flaws in the Wii's architecture, they're just trying to do a balancing act and find the right touch. They don't want to alienate the casual gamers, and they don't want to alienate the hardcore d-toid gamers either. If by Feb 2008 we're still seeing nothing on the horizon then we have a problem. Right now just sit tight and do something else besides complain about Nintendo not catering to your every need.
It's all about whether or not Nintendo will actually go through with making the Wii the best console possible... or just an experiment and predecessor towards a new console in the next three years.
God knows they have enough money.
"You make me want to be a better man."
I don't see the Wii dying, if anything, i see it expanding (probably a "Wii +", this time with rechargeable controllers) for a 2008 xmas release...maybe some kind of firmware upgrade for graphics or something...but otherwise, by providing an installed base with it and the DS, and letting MS and Sony fight it out amongst themselves regarding interchangeable cross published on their platforms, don't be surprised if all of it is a ruse just to get MS and Sony OUT of the video game race...yes...i said it...Nintendo is truely the bad one and is bent on sending the competition to simple Chapter 11...
Seriously, maybe you'll see the muscling in retail chains this xmas like we saw in the late 80s ("carry a small stock of PS3/Xbox materials, and we will glady compensate you with an abundance of guaranteed to sell Wii/DS Lites...if you don't, we're gonna ship it all to your competition") LOL
"interchangeable cross published on their platforms" = "interchangeable cross published GAMES on their platforms"
and
regardless of Nintendo's evil bidding, I will always love Metroid games...even that pinball one :/
Speaking outside of being a "fanboy", from a business perspective they've done nothing wrong. They told everyone upfront that this wasn't going to be a major jump.
I think this article, and the other two Summa have written on this same topic are pointless. We don't know every title that's going to be out on the Wii by the end of the year. We don't. It's stupid to think we're going to only get like 6 games when this time last year, we didn't know half the shit we own NOW on the 360. Did we know this time last year any of the following was coming to the 360: Castlevania, Alien Hominid, Armored Core 4, Guitar Hero II, Earth Defense Force, DDR, TMNT, Half Life 2, GTAIV, Crackdown, etc? Most of them, no, we didn't. But people bought it anyway, and games are coming.
I mean, as a journalist, are you obligated to ignore sales numbers and the association that a third party developer is ALSO going to look at those sales numbers and WANT to make money on a console that has those solid sales numbers? That's like ignoring the PS3's sales numbers and steamrolling ahead on a $100 million exclusive game. It's fucking retarded. The third parties ARE making games. I've repeated this every friggin' time they slap this article here on this site with someone else's name on it. 3rd party developers looked at the Wii concept and RAVED about what a great set of tools and ideas Nintendo had with this. Kojima! Peter Molyneaux! Those are competitor exclusive developers too. THEY wanted to work on the Wii. So, I don't see why there's this thought process that the Wii's headed to some early obscurity, because the novelty's worn off on a gaming blogger. It's not. Most people that own a Wii haven't even finished Zelda yet. Really. I know 2 people that haven't even opened their copies, because they blow themselves out on Rayman and WiiSports all the time. I may have finished it, but that doesn't mean everyone has. The content may not be enough for some, but it's damn overwhelming for a lot of other people. Just like any console.
And like any particular gamer, there's going to be a trickle of titles that pique your interest on a new console until the 3rd parties get rolling. I coulda cared less about the 360's release at launch. I wasn't even planning on getting one. Until Dead Rising. Dead Rising and Burnout were the ONLY two 360 games I had until Gears of War came out. Once that came out, I went ahead and got that, NHL (for online more than anything), and now I have Crackdown as well.
Now looking at 2007's titles, I have at least 4-5 more games I'm planning on getting JUST from looking at release dates of announced games. When the 360 was announced you couldn't have convinced me to get one, and now I not only have one, but I have a decent library that's going to likely triple by the end of the year. So, using this same logic, your article is flawed on several points.
What comes out on the Wii by the end of the year will be a barometer of it's lifespan. Until they stop having shortages on Wii systems and we reach the end of the year's library status, I'd ask you guys to PLEASE stop dragging this overblown sensationalist crap article out every 3 weeks.
If the developer hype for the Wii evaporates at the end of the year for whatever reason, then fine, you win and your article stands as true, but that's going to fly in the face of fact of HARD numbers of units sold to PEOPLE. With like 6 million Wii units in people's homes, it's impossible to think that any third party developer will ignore the Wii forever simply because the graphics are lackluster. A consumer who buys a Wii sure doesn't mind. Anyone who likes making ancillary money (through game sales) off said consumer shouldn't mind either.
Every system launch has lulls like this. Yes, it makes for easy articles where you can foretell the doom of a system, but if that were true than NO game systems would have survived 6 months.
It's coming. Just wait, till then, cry about it.
And as much as I like my 360, I'm not buying every freakin' FPS game just to have a game library. I can count on my DICK how many Tom Clancy games I've owned, I can count on half a hand how many sports games I've owned and my asshole how many Madden titles I've owned. (that's 0, BTW...)
I've been a unique experience gamer for a LONG time, and long suffering is my lot in life when it comes to quality games. I luck out and get a hot streak going once in a while, but for the most part, I've got a core selection of games and game makers I buy from.
The problem (and I'm not directing this solely at this post) is that there seems to be a certain glee in poking holes in the Wii around here. It's almost a sport on Destructiod like PS3 bashing is other places.
Have at it, keep it up, that's fine. A better comparison is the DS, not their previous consoles, but I'm not going to dwell on there here because I assume that you guys actually do know better and are working to appeal to your niche audience.
If game development and adoption for the Wii mimics that of the DS, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon in a year, I'll be right here to remind you of all this piling-on and doubt. If that doesn't happen, then bully for you.
You've given up your Wii card. If it's a hit, don't bother talking about how much you like it, or how Nintendo got on the ball and fixed the problems.
Again, this is more for Destructiod as a whole than just this post, but I think it's an important thing to put on the record at this point.
Summa - give your Wii to a children's hospital and go play some more Crackdown.