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Is The Bible less suitable for kids than gaming? photo

While videogames are demonized as a moral cesspool of sex and violence, The Bible is considered to be "the good book," that must be read by everyone. it is especially popular among the right wing Christian extremists who just hate those filthy, corrupt videogames, but one has to wonder -- can a book that references sex and violence more than your average first person shooter really claim to hold a morally higher ground?

Industry vet Bruce Everiss believes not, and has expressed concern that parents would "expose" their children to this "wholesome" publication. He said that the truth about videogames is that most are bland and banal, and would benefit from being more adult. So far, so awesome. In fact, Everiss' thoughts on the matter are nothing but sound. The long serving marketing exec used the Bible Gateway to search for questionable themes in the book and came to some shocking conclusions:

The King James version has “harlot” in it 48 times, “sodomite” 5 times, “fornicator” 5 times, “smite” 133 times, “kill” 208 times and “maim” 7 times. This is shocking, you have to wonder what any right minded parent is doing exposing their children to this stuff.

So, when can we expect a news report on how pornographic and dangerous the good book is, hm? At least videogames never tell you to live by their teachings. This is a book upon which millions place their entire belief systems and it has more shagging and death in it than Jack the Ripper's resume'. While I have no problem with people enjoying their Bibles, I think it's beyond hypocritical for any Christian to vilify games while making their kids read that stuff. I've read the Bible, and it's adult stuff through-and-through. If no child should play GTA, then no child should read The Bible.

But of course, the idea of eradicating either one is just stupid. I really wish certain "good" Christians would realize that, and would stop to consider how offended they'd be if someone tried to pass a "Bible Law" through congress.


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acharlesmobile's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:50
acharlesmobile
You're gon' start a crusade...
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:52
Projectexodus
You've become very radical lately Jim. I think its hot!
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:54
Gameboi
Comments explode in 3...2..1..
Aciesethon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:56
Aciesethon
Frankly I'd much prefer a child play a video game than have an ideology forced upon them.

Also anyone else remember well Alex deLarge from A Clockwork Orange took to the good book?
Aciesethon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:56
Aciesethon
Frankly I'd much prefer a child play a video game than have an ideology forced upon them.

Also anyone else remember well Alex deLarge from A Clockwork Orange took to the good book?
Torzelan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:57
Torzelan
Posting in epic thread

(also this it's fair bashing)
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:57
wonky360
This is gonna be a BIG post, I can feel it.
I can just offer this link, how this depressed me, people who play by the "book" are lost to us all, problem is they seem to be increasing in numbers - like maggots on the festering corpse of a desert deity.
For evidence of the MADNESS involved in such people, check out the "Creation Museum", I despair at the effort in here to deceive.
http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=121
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:57
BS3 Owner
Jim don't... Please... Too Late!

& What Gameboi said!
Crapsh00t's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:58
Crapsh00t
Random post and it's already a lost battle, I promise you.

Sometimes you have to be better than those who harass you. Stooping to their level and pointing out their fallacies isn't going to win you any hearts and minds, especially not when your target is the BIBLE.

Persuasive Writing 101.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:59
The-Excel
Should I bring up the fact that you used a image of Zeus to head an article about Christianity?
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 10:59
CaffeinePowered
In before massive flame war.
manta's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:00
manta
I just remember he was a Beethoven fan. Been a year or two since I've seen it.
Hitogoroshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:01
Hitogoroshi
Calling out hypocrisies FTW!
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:03
Jim Sterling
"Should I bring up the fact that you used a image of Zeus to head an article about Christianity?"

He's A God.

Anyway, I don't see how this should be too epic. It's a very fair point. One can't deny the adult content in The Bible, and it's pretty insulting to hold games to one set of standards and books to another.

He didn't even point out the "fallacies" of the Bible, as Crapshoot said. He merely stated that The Bible is not suitable for children. It's certainly no more suitable than that "pornographic" Mass Effect.
Jaren Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:03
Jaren Face
While that is a very valid point, and one I'll remember for argumental purposes, I sort of do agree with Crapsh00t.

The point is great, but yeah. It is sort of going against an entire, well established religion. Not to mention that video games are currently the media's scapegoat, this will be eaten up alive with any coverage it gets.
NightDehumidifier's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:04
NightDehumidifier
Smug Internet Atheists, because having faith or something to believe in is for fags and wastes precious time that's more used spent on sitting in front of a screen pressing buttons.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:05
Jim Sterling
"Smug Internet Atheists, because having faith or something to believe in is for fags and wastes precious time that's more used spent on sitting in front of a screen pressing buttons."

Who the fuck said that? Nobody called Christians fags, stop overreacting. Like I said, nothing against people enjoying their Bibles, just let's not pretend it's any less violent than videogames.
dclark's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:06
dclark
I don't think that the fact that the bible deals with adult themes takes away from its overall merit. There are plenty of bible stories involving "adult" situations, though there is always a common theme. In Bible stories, there is a message and a point to the story and a moral to be derived from said story. I think that sheltering kids is not the way to go, but expsing them to unending violence where they are glorified for killing is not sending a moral message through to the gamer. Is killing wrong? Yes. Is this message conveyed in the bible? Yes. Is this message conveyed in GTA or Halo? No.
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:07
BS3 Owner
@ jim

"Anyway, I don't see how this should be too epic. It's a very fair point. One can't deny the adult content in The Bible, and it's pretty insulting to hold games to one set of standards and books to another."

Why didn't you use an example like Penthouse or Playboy. Or the National Inquirer who try to ruin people everyday.

Especially when Religion is used to control society... Unlike Penthouse or 2Girls&1Cup.

Just Sayin' Bud.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:09
slapme7times
lol... the bible is absolutely loaded with :

sexism

racism

and genocide...

and guess what? it's all either condoned or commanded by god. =)
Bioautographical's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:10
Bioautographical
I don't care how many people it "offends", truth deserves to be told. And no matter how much dirt anyone tries to sweep under the rug, it's all there - people may WISH to only see the "warm, fuzzy" stories and the "inherent good" of them, but the truth is that there IS a lot of violence in the Bible. If one were to make a real video game, something epic that basically spans the entire length of the Bible, no doubt it would have an 'E' rating slapped right on it.

And yet, parents have NO trouble reading this stuff to kids on Sunday mornings or before bed. The Noah's Ark story, for instance, is a great example - sure, let's soften it up by focusing on the cute animals and Noah being this strong, upstanding figure. And while we're doing that, we'll simply overlook the fact that "the flood" was intended to basically kill everything on earth.

MUCH more sinister than anything I've ever seen in a video game.
BigPopaGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:12
BigPopaGamer
@Jim
Thanks for at least sounding fair in your report here. I consider myself a Christian, but am I some kind of right-wing religious nut? No. With that said, yes the Bible is chock-full of violence and sex, but then so is history in general, we just gloss over those parts in school. Most of the time the battles and sex is just read by children or if it is, they don't understand it.

I mean, think about this. To win the daughter of Saul, David(that little shepherd boy) had to go collect 100 foreskins. Now David, being the over achiever that he was, went out and brought back 200 foreskins instead. Now that's just downright nasty.

So I'm just saying I agree with you Jim. And I get up in my fellow christians faces about their hypocrisy on game violence vs all-other-media.
Dastardly007's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:15
Dastardly007
@dclark

I pretty much agree with all of that. I don't think you can compare a story in the Bible that contains violence for a reason to say Manhunt which is violent fot the sake of it.

I don't agree with religious nutters that say ban games but I point the finger at crap like manhunt which sets the argument for games back about 10 years.
Scape's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:15
Scape
I don't really think anyone is trying to say that the Bible is for children though...

That's why they have these:

Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:16
Jim Sterling
"Why didn't you use an example like Penthouse or Playboy"

Is my name Bruce Everiss?
Nyxll's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:18
Nyxll
Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce to you, the gaming world's "Jack Thompson". Way to make gamers look stupid.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:19
Jim Sterling
"Is killing wrong? Yes. Is this message conveyed in the bible? Yes."

Actually, it's considered A-okay when God is doing it. And he's the most glorified character in the whole book. So, if this glorious, omnipotent being that smite left and right is being praised, how is it less damaging than Tommy Vercetti getting points for a kill frenzy?

Again, I am not saying The Bible OR games are more or less right. I am just saying that both have violence in them, both will exposed to children and in my opinion, parental guidance, not legislation, is the ONLY thing that should apply to both.
vitus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:19
vitus
I think we should be more worried about exposing our kids to jim sterling he's a radical. I mean who wouldn't want to make sure their kids become self righteous fools that think they are better then everyone with their ideas from 2000 years ago... this is more detrimental to society then anything
Pagster's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:19
Pagster
"Who the fuck said that? Nobody called Christians fags, stop overreacting. Like I said, nothing against people enjoying their Bibles, just let's not pretend it's any less violent than videogames."

Who's pretending? Methinks your story lacks a clear point.
I get you don't like FOX's ott reports on games but where does the bible come into all of this? And why the bible and not the koran, or other holy scripture?

I understand your love for gaming but i doubt a multi billion dollar industry needs an internet blogger to save it from the odd ott fox news story or over zealous bible bashers.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:20
TheBrain
I believe there might be one flaw in your logic. The Bible is considered by Christians to be a historical account, i.e. the violence, sexual content, etc. are based on actual events. Perhaps you do not believe this yourself, but Christians do. Therefore, they would find it ridiculous to sugar-coat what has happened in the past to make it more palpable for children.

Grand Theft Auto, on the other hand, was intentionally created as a work of fiction to be violent, sexual, and degrading to mankind. This makes it quite different from the Christian standpoint. It is also worth mentioning that GTA lacks the moral teachings found in the Bible (especially the New Testament). Its violence also has less of a point in the greater context.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:20
JamnOnTheOne
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a church that is having children read the more "adult" passages of the bible in Sunday school (or Junior Church). I'm sure there are extreme churches that are having six year olds phonetically sounding out "harlot", but most churches don't teach portions of the bible until later when they are presumed to be able to handle mature content. There are even "children's bibles" that boil most of the book down into kid friendly stories.

It's cute that this gentleman believes that by taking an extreme viewpoint he's somehow going to get his message across, but instead it just smacks of ignorance (just like the non-gaming media and parents to think games are Pac-Man).
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:21
blehman
*steps back, fixes popcorn, watches comment explosion*
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:21
Jetsetlemming
Yawn. How fucking slow of a news day is it? This is one of the absolute easiest, brainless topics to bash online, and it just smacks of laziness. This post is somewhere around the same level of laziness and audience pandering as the Fox article on that missing soldier and COD4.
Aciesethon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:21
Aciesethon
dclark is close to the mark. The games that seem to attract bans are those where killing is used for personal gain. War games seem to attract slightly less flack perhaps as they are closer to the bible's context of killing for an ideology.

A goverment is happy to romantisize institutionalised violence as they need soldiers.

Most interesting I think is the brazillian government trying to divert attention from thier own inadaquate law enforcement through game bans.
http://gamepolitics.com/2008/01/19/brazil-bans-counter-strike-everquest/
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:23
Jim Sterling
I love how people are accusing ME of bringing up the Bible when I'm merely reacting to what Bruce Everiss said. He picked on the Bible, I merely agree with his stance.
urbanyeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:23
urbanyeti
As a Christian gamer, I guess I am obligated to play the "defense" card first. As Slapme7times said, "It's all either condoned or commanded by God." On some surface level, you COULD say that, but it really goes deeper then that. Yes, God killed a lot of people, but every time he did he did it with reason. Any further explanation on that would merit it's own blog (which I may write now that I think about it...). But really, to my point here.

I hate these Christian leaders who speak on behalf of all Christians. They think they know what I like, so they simply yell and rant and scream for everyone. Bull. Crap. Don't speak for me ever, oh you who are so high and mighty. Get off your pedestal, then we will talk.

So, secondly, Kudos to you Mr. Sterling, for saying exactly what I was thinking.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:23
wonky360
This is my favorite site for pointing out Bible weirdness. With classics like (19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.)WTF!!! I always give this link out to Bible Bashers when they call to my house.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:24
Jim Sterling
Kudos right back at the Christian commentors in this thread who actually got it and didn't just get upset because The Bible was mentioned. This piece isn't intended to upset Christians, it's aimed at the religious nutjobs.

Looks like we have a couple here though. :-/
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:26
slapme7times
'but most churches don't teach portions of the bible until later when they are presumed to be able to handle mature content.'

but should we really ever teach people that god is okay with slavery, or polygamy, or genocide?

I'm not saying the bible should be banned, I simply find it interesting that someone would teach anyone that god wants them to discriminate and abuse minorities and women to the point of death...

I mean... seriously, who wrote the bible?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:27
Jim Sterling
All I know is, there were Bibles everywhere at my old school.
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:28
Niero
whoa. pot and kettle, fight!
Crapsh00t's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:31
Crapsh00t
I meant the fallacies of the average Bible believer, not so much the Bible, but it works either way.

Let the shitstorm continue.
BigPopaGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:33
BigPopaGamer
I find it pretty funny that you are all using things like genocide, polygamy and slavery in the bible to justify your "Bible is violent" arguement but not looking at the context of the time when it was written and these things happened. Of course these things don't apply now, hence the reason we have the NEW Testament portions. Duh.

Anyways, you knew this would happen Jim when you posted this article. I read it one Gamepolitics.com and just rolled my eyes and kept on trucking. Maybe some of these flamers should do the same.

Blehman, pass the popcorn.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:37
slapme7times
'I find it pretty funny that you are all using things like genocide, polygamy and slavery in the bible to justify your "Bible is violent" arguement'

so... you are saying that there was a time when genocide... was applicable to human existence... and thus not 'violent'?
GigaMach's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:38
GigaMach
The Bible is riddled with HUMANITY. We are a violent, sex-driven, passionate animal, and I think, as a Christian, God is well aware of it. I sympayhise with the confusion people have of a loving God doing and/or allowing some pretty heinous things to happen. And like any good, adult story, the Bible is rich with the details of history that show exactly what it is to exist in this world. So, cheers to adult views in all media. As well, cheers to having the discernment to recognize actual adult themes. That is to say, I contend that killing presented with no realistic consequences is childish. Killing presented in a realistic fashion, with realistic consequences and reactions, is adult, and something games and media should strive for, in terms of presenting mature themes.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:39
Mxyzptlk
I just wish they'd incorporate the violence and sex from the Bible into those VeggieTales cartoons. I would totally watch that.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:40
blehman
*passes popcorn to BigPopa*

Don't hog it now, this could go on for awhile.
DanGale's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:40
DanGale
"But of course, the idea of eradicating either one is just stupid."

I think that's the point a lot of people generally miss. Jim isn't vilifying the Bible, just pointing out the hypocrisy of denouncing video games as a scapegoat when the Bible is never mentioned.

Where's DryvBy? He should witness this.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:41
slapme7times
lol, you like vegetable sex? :)
FuriousUppercut's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 11:43
FuriousUppercut
I think a major point is being missed here...

Videogames are "entertainment"....the Bible is not. They have completely different agendas and therefore can not be judged according to the same criteria.

Video games are designed so that we can turn them on, get lost in their world and be entertained.

The Bible was designed to be studied and absorbed so that lessons could be learned from it. Just like all scriptures from all religions.

The stories of the Old Testament have adult themes, there is no doubt, but I don't know of anyone (let alone a child) that opens up the Bible in order to be entertained by a good violent, sexually themed story.

The same can not be said about videogames.

When kids start going to church in record numbers just so they can hear another violent story from the bible then this argument will have some merit.
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