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I've found that The New York Times is one of the most critical and interesting mainstream outlets when it comes to discussing videogames. I don't find myself typically agreeing with its writers, but I still like to read their views. A new piece discussing the so-called cultural responsibility of Ubisoft's Prince of Persia is another recommended NY Times read, even if I have to raise an eyebrow at the sentiment.

"What are we to make of a "Prince of Persia" who talks and behaves like a 17-year-old American mall rat?" asks writer Seth Schiesel. "A "Prince of Persia" with blue eyes, fully Anglicized facial features and what looks like a tan he picked up on spring break? Is it taking a video game too seriously to shrink in distaste from such characterizations? In fairness, the new Prince of Persia does not claim any historical or cultural authenticity; the game is set in a fantastic magical realm rather than in a rendition of any real place. But does that absolve the game of any responsibility?"

Schiesel brings up "Orientalism," a practice in which Western people lump everything from the East into one big pigeon hole while at the same time exploiting and romanticizing it. A little deep an accusation for an Ubisoft game? Not according to The NY Times:

"Prince of Persia is a great game, but simply being a video game is no longer sufficient to earn a pass from being held to account for shaping the perceptions and attitudes of its players. Not anymore," Schielsel posits. 

Is Prince of Persia responsible for shaping our perception of the East? Should a platforming action game that doesn't pretend to be anything more than player empowerment feel responsible for whatever imagery it may or may not perpetuate? For me, a game's first responsibility is simply to be enjoyable. I don't feel any form of entertainment, whether it strives to be art or not, is responsible for anything other than whatever its creator wants it to be. Ubisoft had no obligation to anybody with this game, other than to produce something worth $60.


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Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:04
Holyetheline
He makes a very interesting point. The prince should be more humble if nothing else.
verdigris's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:12
verdigris
This game is the sole reason I plan to bring along a hot chick along with on my voyage to Persia. I don't want my vacation ruined by not having the ability to jump off of random cliffs with no consequences. Are you telling me this isn't accurate?
OrangeMango's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:15
OrangeMango
I've been lost on Prince of Persia ever since they put Avenged Sevenfold in Warrior Within's soundtrack.
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:21
pascuz46
Hell no Prince of Persia does not shape my perception of the east (SYYYYYYDe). Naturally the game is going to be westernized in some way because it was made by a western developer.
xdarkxwarriorx's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:22
xdarkxwarriorx
yes it is culturally inaccurate, and it shows how little ubisoft thinks of its audience. obviously, they think gamers won't buy the game unless the main character acts like "us" (westerners), looks like "us", and speaks like "us". gamers have empathy too, i wish publishers and studios would start understanding that.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:22
CALkulon
It's called artistic license. What the hell does it matter if he is an Americanised prick? It might be irritating but I wouldn't ever look to PoP for an education or insight into Persia(ns), I would look to PoP to be fun.
closer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:23
closer
No - absolutely not - if video-games really want to grow up then they have to fit into cultural norms- clearly the latest pop is a stereotype - in any other form of cultural expression this would be embarassing - why should we accept this just because its 'only' a video-game ??
Krow-Kupo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:31
Krow-Kupo
"but simply being a video game is no longer sufficient to earn a pass from being held to account for shaping the perceptions and attitudes of its players. Not anymore"

Why aren't we all having a party that a nation-wide paper said that?

We shouldn't be offended, we should be DANCING.
taumpytears's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:31
taumpytears
A more persian prince would be cool but it's still better than disney's aladin lol.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:33
Jim Sterling
"they think gamers won't buy the game unless the main character acts like "us" (westerners), looks like "us", and speaks like "us"."

I can show you a load of games that prove "them" right.
KomugiStyle's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:34
KomugiStyle
If someone honestly bases their opinions of the 'orient' off of a video game, then they deserve to spew out ignorance upon the world. Most game players have some level of knowlege of the world or are in the process of learning. Thats what manditory school is for, even if you drop out somewhere in high school you would have already learned that the east is not only about Magic carpets, geisha girls and grandiose dragon celebrations. I hate when people try to ruin a good game over cultural junk. Its not like the game claims to be anything other than entertainment. Ridiculous...
closer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:38
closer
@ js - yes, totally, beyond doubt - does not make it right though !
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:38
CALkulon
@Closer:

So video games - along with other mediums - should always be deadly serious and fit all cultural nuances? If it was a game about the Persians warring then fine, they shouldn't be Americanised but it's a freaking fantasy platformer game. I'm fairly certain the Persians aren't fighting mythical monsters right now too, but I don't see anyone complaining about that.
Kylius's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:40
Kylius
Oh Shit - this guy's gonna be PISSED when he finds out Jake Gylenhall's gonna be in a movie about this. He's almost entirely not Persian!

Also - excellent point taumpytears, interesting that this journalistic hack feels the need to attack games, when every other visual medium has done this in the past.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:41
John B
This whole PC bullshit is getting to the point where the more politically incorrect something is, the more I like it -- just out of spite.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:44
EternalDeathSlayer
What the fuck is this shit?? I just never understood this whole "Stop Black on Black crime" thing.

What the fuck are they trying to say? That you should only kill white people or something? Ever hear of White on White crime? Then what the fuck is this?
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:45
Niero
I'd like to see a follow-up piece that goes after the Catholic Church for not giving Jesus a tan in some commissioned paintings
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:46
EternalDeathSlayer
How the fuck did I end up commenting on this blog? WTF? I thought I was commenting on Jim's previous story, so please disregard that comment.

I must be losing my mind.

Also, fuck the NY Times and their liberal asses.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:46
CALkulon
@ Krow:

Why? That shouldn't be a game's responsibility. Certain games, yes. WWII epics for example, shouldn't portray the Japanese as camp, skirt wearing jessies, that would be ridiculous. But another, non-serious game? Fine, so long as it's done in a clearly humourous way. I play games for fun. I can separate what is intended as factual and what is not. Anyone who thinks a Persian looks/talks/is like PoP is retarded.
closer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:47
closer
@ calkulon - I understand completly where you are coming from - what I am saying is that, yes, if you want to be taken seriously, as I believe video-games as an art form has every right to be so, then you have to fit within a cultural context. In other words , you have to behave maturely. If you can't rise to this then fine, but you will inevitably be regarded as a 'comic', (no offence to comics per se....), - if you cheapen things just for the sake of a few extra sales in america or europe then fair enough - but be prepared to be judged by that cheapening. I want to see video-games judged as a genuine art, (cultural expression), in their own right. Why should we sell ourselves so short ??
Muddy Waterz's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:56
Muddy Waterz
It's like this in all media. Just take a look at the new Dragonball trailer.
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:58
naia-the-gamer
"I'd like to see a follow-up piece that goes after the Catholic Church for not giving Jesus a tan in some commissioned paintings"

Niero wins
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 18:59
ace of knaves
If they actually made the Prince look more, y'know, Persian, then it would still be offensive, just because he's such a colossal douche bag the whole game.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:00
Orionsaint
This is just like the way the Bible says, Jesus had hair of wool and skin of bronze. Yet Jesus is white with blue eyes. White people still rule this world and people who were raised around white people, grow up with the White man's mentality.
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:01
bluexy
It's 100% bullshit is what it is. Bottom line it made me feel worse about the game, and more skeptical about the franchise (the whole game is a blemish). They took something that could have been attractive to buyers and turned it into something repulsive.

And ya, people are out there that will think the Prince is a typical Persian due to this game. Call them retarded or whatever, they're still out there and they get to vote and bear arms.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:05
Orionsaint
Here's Saudi Prince Alwaleed

Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:07
Orionsaint


The Prince of Persia.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:10
Corak
Maybe he's having trouble with the title of the game with the Prince not acting very "Princely." Granted I haven't finished it yet but how I picture a Prince doesn't exactly fit the "Prince" in this game, wandering the desert looking for his donkey.
Jumbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:12
Jumbo
Jim, you're getting stale with the anti-post-modernism schtick. It's really predictable. I get it: there was some feminist/multiculturist/afro-centric english prof who gave you a D on your shitty paper back when you were a freshman and it really burned you up so you're going to show her by PROVING that any discussion of race or history or culture is nothing more than professional whining on the part of minorities who can't get real jobs because there too stupid. That'll show those liberal sissies at the NEW YORK TIMES!

"Ubisoft had no obligation to anybody with this game, other than to produce something worth $60."

That's right. You just proved why capitalism makes shitty art with douchey American-guys as the hero all the time. Thanks capitalism, you're awesome! And so are douchey white guy heroes. They're the awesomest!

Jim Sterling = the Rush Limbaugh of videogame blogging.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:12
Sharpless
I've often thought the same thing. They could've at least darkened his features a bit. He looks about as Persian as Jake Gyllenhaal.
xdarkxwarriorx's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:19
xdarkxwarriorx
"I can show you a load of games that prove 'them' right."

well thats true, if video games are only about money. its the same plague that is going through the movie industry -- cookie cutter repackaged characters that all conform to the same idea of the "perfect" protagonist.

that being said, even in a market full of this trend (westernization of characters in all media), i still think there can be successful media if companies start realizing that the audience is mature enough to accept a character that does not fit into a comfortable category.

i think prince of persia is a particularly glaring example of the westernization of characters because the game actually goes out of its way to do so. the plot, setting, TITLE, etc point to a specific character and ethnicity. why change it?

i want video games to be considered art, not just media. movies are declining from art to media as we speak, and some of the things symptoms of this are the same things that video games are starting to suffer from, and that really worries me.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:19
CALkulon
closer, my problem with what you're saying is that you're attributing certain aims for PoP which Ubisoft never set out themselves. They're not trying to push the game as proof that games are art, they're trying to make money. Like what Weird Al Yankovic is to Debussy. Yes it has been judged on that - and rightly so - but it is then unfair to come back and slate it for not being something it isn't. To continue the comparison, would you slate WAY's albums for not putting forward a case for music as art? No, you takethem for what they are, you don't compare them to Bach!

Of course, if Ubisoft came out and said the game was intended as serious art then you'd have a case, as that would be farcical.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:20
Daxelman
Is the Prince even a Prince in this one?

He looks like a homeless freak some rich guy sued for all the bread in his lint filled pockets.

Oh, and Persian's, don't make me get Alexander back up in this bitch to hand you another one.
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:22
TheCleaningGuy
I demand my video games be culturally sensitive! Nintendo has done a disservice to Italians, claiming that they can double their height by eating mushrooms. Also, I never elected President Solidus Snake! Racism!!!!!
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:23
Jim Sterling
" i still think there can be successful media if companies start realizing that the audience is mature enough to accept a character that does not fit into a comfortable category."

I'd like to believe that, but I think that's a rather idealistic assessment. Games that deviate from comfortable norms often end up on the losing side of the sales figures. You know this.

The market is not mature in the slightest. If it was, Activison wouldn't be dropping interesting games left and right in favor of titles it can repeated ad nauseum year upon year.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:24
CALkulon
To clarify, I want games to be seen as art too, but there's always a place for other stuff. Like the Doom movie, that was fucking awesome, and I couldn't care less that it isn't the Godfather. Some games are fun because they're mindless and don't try too hard.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:24
Orionsaint
Ubisoft should tackle Sinbad next,


lol


I liked this Sinbad best.


Just because, really do I need to explain why i posted this.


Sinbad and the eye of the tiger, special guest star Gandalf ftw!


Oh please!
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:25
the Golden Avatar
Ubisoft never claimed that Prince of Persia was an interactive history book. It's set in a completely fictional, magical realm. Does this somehow misrepresent Persian culture? I guess so.

Resident Evil 4 taught me that Spaniards are insect zombie mutants. Resident Evil 5 taught me that killing black people is awesome. Persona 4 taught me that Japanese people have extremely westernized features. Oh, wait. No, they didn't. Because I'm not a big enough fucking idiot to believe that video games are an accurate representation of any part of reality.
Jumbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:33
Jumbo
"The market is not mature in the slightest. If it was, Activison wouldn't be dropping interesting games left and right in favor of titles it can repeated ad nauseum year upon year."

So what's the correct response to that reality? is it to just throw up your hands and say: videogames are always going to be immature so stop criticizing us because we're not REAL culture, it's just stupid toys for the stupid kids to make money for stupid corporations. Leave Prince of Persia alone, NYTimes!

Or can we try to build a mature gamer market that can support truly "mature" (ironic that an "M" rating really means: has tits, swear words and gore) titles? Should we turn our backs and throw up our middle fingers at all criticism from outsiders who don't understand our stupid, childish hobby, or should we engage the criticism and demand more from the community and the industry?
Shirley Temple's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:33
Shirley Temple
The game is trash. All over. I think it was IGN that said it best when they said that they could have made the characters at least looked as if they've ever even visited Persia.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:35
Daxelman
Hey Orion,



Yah, bitch.
xdarkxwarriorx's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:39
xdarkxwarriorx
"The market is not mature in the slightest. If it was, Activison wouldn't be dropping interesting games left and right in favor of titles it can repeated ad nauseum year upon year."

that is a regrettable truth. i do know that what i am saying is an idealistic desire. its a very sad thing that all the things we do for fun is just becoming entertainment at the basest level, but as of right now, it is a reality.

that being said though, i really think that there is room for both art and entertainment, just as there are in books (lord of the rings, 1984, evasion, etc). i just find it to be a shame that a medium with such potential is already being stunted by this sort of "market to the masses" attitude. i just think that a game can be fun and thought-provoking at the same time (chrono trigger, metal gear solid series), and that we, as a gaming community, should expect higher of the games we play.

so there is enough blame to go around to the creators and the consumers. i am just hoping that things start to change a bit.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:39
CALkulon
Orion, as far as pictured comments go, that was [i]THE BEST THING EVAR!11!]/i]
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:42
CALkulon
And as if to ironically prove my point, my BB code fails in its overtly masculine shadow.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:51
Orionsaint
Thanks CAL hehe

Daxelman, the funny thing is, when you Google 'Sinbad Movies' you expect to find the classic Sinbad movies, but no you get Sinbad the comedian and his movies, damn Sinbad to hell! hehe
Maziar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:56
Maziar
im Persian and I have blue eyes almost everyone in my family does...whats the big deal?
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 19:57
Daxelman
FUCK YOU ORION.

Sinbad was amazing. A-FUCKING-MAZING.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
dollrapist's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 20:03
dollrapist
...and the complainers are alive and well...

I personally enjoyed the banter between Mr. Prince and Hot Piece of Ass in the game. It was funny.

I didn't take it super seriously and cry about it, like some so-called adults did.

Weird. These losers should go die in freeway traffic.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/29/2008 20:13
Mxyzptlk
I agree with naia-the-gamer.
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