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This isn't a -huge- thing for me, but it just adds more crap on top of the tons of crap Capcom has been laying for the last two years. Seriously. I'm done with Capcom for a while.
I told Capcom this morning to stop it already or i'll tell to her mom. Sorry guys, this won't happen again.
Too bad most players who are against this will still buy it. If you don't want publishers trying to fool you into paying for the same game twice, don't purchase their products. It's simple as that. You'll live.
In the words of Butters from South Park:
"Pisses ME off."
Seriously, I would rather just buy an Ultimate edition... At least the content wouldn't have to be unlocked via the internet that NOT EVERYONE HAS.
OH WAIT... You're locking costumes as well? COSTUMES!?
Capcom, I love you, I grew up with you, and I'mma still buy your games, but seriously, **** this noise.
"Pisses ME off."
Seriously, I would rather just buy an Ultimate edition... At least the content wouldn't have to be unlocked via the internet that NOT EVERYONE HAS.
OH WAIT... You're locking costumes as well? COSTUMES!?
Capcom, I love you, I grew up with you, and I'mma still buy your games, but seriously, **** this noise.
1, Haxxors to get at the content
2, Take picture of the proof and you doing the "cool story bro" smile/thumbs up
3, Host it on the internet
4, Spam embed them in every comment thread of every Capcom Unity post
5, ????
6, Capcom apologise and never do it again!
2, Take picture of the proof and you doing the "cool story bro" smile/thumbs up
3, Host it on the internet
4, Spam embed them in every comment thread of every Capcom Unity post
5, ????
6, Capcom apologise and never do it again!
Eh, I think 2012/2013 is going to be Capcom's final years as a publisher. It's kind of interesting to see all of these big companies trying to be so greedy that it's slowly rotting them from the inside, causing them to lose fans.
Combined with how poorly Raccoon City was/is, I have a feeling it won't be too long. THQ is possibly going down soon too. I wonder how long it'll be before Ubisoft and Activision will follow? Acti will take considerably longer (read: Whenever their fans get tired of paying for the same game every year), but I see Ubi following after Capcom.
Combined with how poorly Raccoon City was/is, I have a feeling it won't be too long. THQ is possibly going down soon too. I wonder how long it'll be before Ubisoft and Activision will follow? Acti will take considerably longer (read: Whenever their fans get tired of paying for the same game every year), but I see Ubi following after Capcom.
What makes this worse is that before they released SFXT is that they announced the Vita version WITH said characters available from the outset.
So early adopters are expected to pay $20 more for all the content on-disc, pretty much twice what Vita players will be paying.
Solution? I wait and buy the Vita version USED.
So early adopters are expected to pay $20 more for all the content on-disc, pretty much twice what Vita players will be paying.
Solution? I wait and buy the Vita version USED.
As I've said before, this will only work if everyone stops supporting them completely, suddenly, and en masse. Supporting anything else Capcom does as this happens is implicitly approving it. This is a start, but there is still a lot of work to be done if we are to end these practices for good.
Why cannot they get more intelligence and make gamers pay in-game currency for the extra characters and costumes?
I swear that was half of the fun of MvC2 and is the only reason I bother playing super smash bros.
But no capcom is greedy cooperate company and that is why Kenji jumped ship with the resident evil creator and all of the great developers at capcom before him.
I swear that was half of the fun of MvC2 and is the only reason I bother playing super smash bros.
But no capcom is greedy cooperate company and that is why Kenji jumped ship with the resident evil creator and all of the great developers at capcom before him.
And there goes any possible benefit of the doubt, not that there was ever much to be had to begin with.
These are the kinds of things we're going to have to get used to. We rooted and cheered gaming on as it surpassed all other forms of entertainment, spending billions of dollars in doing so. Did we really believe for a moment that gaming-as-big-business would be any less impersonal and soulless as any other big industry?
The current state of the industry is a direct reflection of its audience.
These are the kinds of things we're going to have to get used to. We rooted and cheered gaming on as it surpassed all other forms of entertainment, spending billions of dollars in doing so. Did we really believe for a moment that gaming-as-big-business would be any less impersonal and soulless as any other big industry?
The current state of the industry is a direct reflection of its audience.
If no one buys the DLC they'll just do what they did with MvC. It's not that hard to understand their business strategy. It's despicable, yeah, but at this point what do you expect?
Is it dlc if its no longer downloaded? I know I am getting nit picky but it is called dlc for a reason. Stop trying to be money grubbing whores Capcom. Your part of the reason why gaming is beginning to decline and why I buy used after a long time the game has been released (or on a clearance aisle for dirt cheap).
Claiming that they are trolling implies that they intended to have their scheme discovered some way or another at any given time after they implemented it.
Where would the fun be if nobody knew that they did it? That would be like graffiti tagging a wall in a ghost town or 'flashing' people at a nudist resort!
That suggests that you think that Capcom thought more of their customer base than they most likely actually do.
Where would the fun be if nobody knew that they did it? That would be like graffiti tagging a wall in a ghost town or 'flashing' people at a nudist resort!
That suggests that you think that Capcom thought more of their customer base than they most likely actually do.
I think the fact you still have to pay for the shit already on the disc is bad enough, but what confuses me is the wait.
IT. MAKES. NO. FUCKING. SENSE.
I've gone through every possible explanation in my head and none of it makes sense. It's sooooooooooo fucking stupid.
IT. MAKES. NO. FUCKING. SENSE.
I've gone through every possible explanation in my head and none of it makes sense. It's sooooooooooo fucking stupid.
I think the on-disc DLC was meant to be a work-around for Sony's update/patch policy on the PS3. I remember reading that Sony (unlike Microsoft) wouldn't foot the bill for universal updates when DLC for SF4 was released. This led to PS3 owners purchasing content that was only visible to them while being invisible to online opponents they faced online (unless they also purchased the same DLC). This probably killed DLC sales for the PS3. Now, CAPCOM doesn't have to worry about Sony's update policy.
Not that I'm a fan of on-disc DLC, but I can see why they went this route.
Not that I'm a fan of on-disc DLC, but I can see why they went this route.
@OneRed - Accepting it as normal is how they win. I refuse to accept these practices as anything less than hostile toward the consumer.
The characters being on the disc is a smart move because that means they don't need to make a thousand different versions of the gane before you can have all of the content. My only problem is that the Vita gets free content. One may argue that the Vita owners deserve it for free since they have to wait a while before getting the game.
I wonder how people would react if this was applied elsewhere? Say you purchased a CD of your favorite band, and when you hit song twelve you had pay an additional $3 for the next song, and the next.
At what point did it become a reasonable expectation to have to pay extra for a feature on something you've already paid for? Want to use the cruise control button on your car, insert a credit card for a $500 one time charge. Want to watch a blu-ray on your new LED tv, pay 50 to enable the feature.
How is withholding content from a consumer on something they physically own and legally paid for even remotely legal? When can the SEC get involved in this?
At what point did it become a reasonable expectation to have to pay extra for a feature on something you've already paid for? Want to use the cruise control button on your car, insert a credit card for a $500 one time charge. Want to watch a blu-ray on your new LED tv, pay 50 to enable the feature.
How is withholding content from a consumer on something they physically own and legally paid for even remotely legal? When can the SEC get involved in this?
Already cancelled preorders for Resident Evil 6 and Dragon's Dogma because of this model. I would have bought them new if it weren't for their current actions, oh well more money for me.
The last Capcom game I picked up was MVC3. they announced UMVC3 like 6 months later and it released less than a year after MVC3 came out.
That was it for me.
Not saying I won't EVER buy a Capcom game again (I'll prob pick up RE6), but I'm definitely passing on their fighting games... at least until the 2nd or 3rd version of the game is out and down to $20.
That was it for me.
Not saying I won't EVER buy a Capcom game again (I'll prob pick up RE6), but I'm definitely passing on their fighting games... at least until the 2nd or 3rd version of the game is out and down to $20.
If the product is worth 90 bucks from the get go, make it possible that those interested will pay the full product price.
Now we have to wait for their marketing scheme to finish which is around May.
Now we have to wait for their marketing scheme to finish which is around May.
"The last Capcom game I picked up was MVC3. they announced UMVC3 like 6 months later and it released less than a year after MVC3 came out.
That was it for me. "
Ditto, although RE6 is also off my buy list. That's not because of this DLC stuff. That's because I bought RE5.
Fool me once....
That was it for me. "
Ditto, although RE6 is also off my buy list. That's not because of this DLC stuff. That's because I bought RE5.
Fool me once....
@The Silent Protagonist
I'm by no means implying any of this should be accepted as normal. "There is effectively no distinction between the DLC being 'locked' behind the disc and available for unlocking at a later date," is an outright laughably ridiculous line.
What I'm saying is that if Rome is burning, we're far too busy spreading gasoline to play a fiddle. For years we thought we were so cool, as sweet baby gaming beat the shit out of the dusty old entertainment codgers. Even today we cheer gaming on as it mops the floor with movies and music. Were we ever cheering gaming's ability to tell a better story? Its ability to touch an audience like no other medium? Its incredible ability to create worlds and experiences that dwarfed other mediums ability to do so?
No, we celebrated its ability to take it to the established entertainment industry. Society stuck its chin up at us and we loved every second of economic beatdown gaming handed it in retaliation. Meet the new king, same as the old king.
I'm saying we made our bed with this shit. We practically begged the industry to make more money off us for years, and celebrated them when they did so. What did we think would happen?
I'm by no means implying any of this should be accepted as normal. "There is effectively no distinction between the DLC being 'locked' behind the disc and available for unlocking at a later date," is an outright laughably ridiculous line.
What I'm saying is that if Rome is burning, we're far too busy spreading gasoline to play a fiddle. For years we thought we were so cool, as sweet baby gaming beat the shit out of the dusty old entertainment codgers. Even today we cheer gaming on as it mops the floor with movies and music. Were we ever cheering gaming's ability to tell a better story? Its ability to touch an audience like no other medium? Its incredible ability to create worlds and experiences that dwarfed other mediums ability to do so?
No, we celebrated its ability to take it to the established entertainment industry. Society stuck its chin up at us and we loved every second of economic beatdown gaming handed it in retaliation. Meet the new king, same as the old king.
I'm saying we made our bed with this shit. We practically begged the industry to make more money off us for years, and celebrated them when they did so. What did we think would happen?
And to think, I used to love Capcom.... oh well. On to other fighting games, especially now that Ono has taken sick so I probably wont even see a new Dark Stalkers game. Time to start holding out for a new or spiritual successor to Killer Instinct.
The problem is the idiots of the "Fighting Game Community" will always keep buying this shit. They lap this shit up because the weeaboos must have anything that comes out of Japan's anus, or else they are treated as less of a human being because they are ridiculed by the man-children that make up the majority of the FGC.
Because, fightin' turnamintz is everything, yo.
Because, fightin' turnamintz is everything, yo.
My sane side isn't happy with DLC like this.
My other side is quite ok with it, as I wouldn't have to pay for the DLC. I explore every game I buy, and you'd be surprised the things you find on the discs.
My other side is quite ok with it, as I wouldn't have to pay for the DLC. I explore every game I buy, and you'd be surprised the things you find on the discs.
Jum, from now on I will be careful when thinking on buying capcom products. Is a shame that capcom hace come this way and after reading that RE6 will be more call of duty oriented I think capcom hace crossed the point of no return.
@OneRed - Who is this "we" you speak of? I always saw gaming as just another media option, just the one I preferred. I grew up with it, it grew up with me. The difference is I expected the same level of respect as when it had grown up with me just shy of 10 years go.
Most of it still does, its just the biggest publishers have sold out.
And when someone comes in and changes the industry forever, its going to be companies like Capcom, EA and Activision that get caught with their pants down and forced to conform to the new model.
Happened with music, books, movies and TV shows already. Video Games can't hold out forever. They might seem mighty now, but they can be forced to conform by whoever changes the industry for the better and more accessible.
My belief is it won't be a company that made it a point to treat their customers like shit. There are still quite a few big names out there that don't treat customers like shit and likely never intend to.
EA, Capcom, THQ, Ubi Soft and Activision are just the ones with the most to lose, that's why they act like they do. They're not bullies, they're cowards afraid of the future.
Buy their games or don't buy them, but I know they're all going to be phased out in time, possibly within a decade. Their models are not sustainable in the long term, each model has tasted backlash. If they're just going to drive themselves off a cliff anyway, I don't have THAT much of a problem supplying them with the gas money.
Most of it still does, its just the biggest publishers have sold out.
And when someone comes in and changes the industry forever, its going to be companies like Capcom, EA and Activision that get caught with their pants down and forced to conform to the new model.
Happened with music, books, movies and TV shows already. Video Games can't hold out forever. They might seem mighty now, but they can be forced to conform by whoever changes the industry for the better and more accessible.
My belief is it won't be a company that made it a point to treat their customers like shit. There are still quite a few big names out there that don't treat customers like shit and likely never intend to.
EA, Capcom, THQ, Ubi Soft and Activision are just the ones with the most to lose, that's why they act like they do. They're not bullies, they're cowards afraid of the future.
Buy their games or don't buy them, but I know they're all going to be phased out in time, possibly within a decade. Their models are not sustainable in the long term, each model has tasted backlash. If they're just going to drive themselves off a cliff anyway, I don't have THAT much of a problem supplying them with the gas money.
I have a serect for all you people out there just don't buy capcom games and capcom will get the point!!! Boycot them!
Found it, Here, Jordan Devore and Seth Killian explain the differences between MS and Sony in regards to their update policies.
So yeah, basically the DLC had to be on the disc to ensure PS3 gamers the same experience as their Xbox 360 counterparts. Although I doubt CAPCOM would ever put it so bluntly. I doubt they'd want to throw Sony under the bus.
So yeah, basically the DLC had to be on the disc to ensure PS3 gamers the same experience as their Xbox 360 counterparts. Although I doubt CAPCOM would ever put it so bluntly. I doubt they'd want to throw Sony under the bus.
On a lecture I attended once, someone from the game industry gave me a pretty compelling reason for DLC. That reason being that DLC is developed on a separate budget from the "main game", the one that we buy in stores, and that content developed as DLC is expected to make back money by NOT being included in the "main game" price of 60 bucks or what have you.
Essentially: if it wasn't for the extra budget, we would have never had this content in the first place. If that is the case here, then I do believe it is fair of Capcom to charge us for the 12 characters since they were developed on a separate budget that needs to make money back separately.
The murky side of this comes when you see that they put it into the game- for all I know of programing, it could very well be the case that it is easier for them to balance the game and make sure it doesn't crash if they include all the chars from the start. But you have to be transparent about these things- throwing out a bunch of non-explanations that people prove wrong time and again will ruin your goodwill far more than being honest and say "We put extra money into these guys, you put extra money into them to enjoy them too".
Then again, I have no idea if Capcom is following this model so for all I know, they might just be evil money-grubbing bastards and I just wrote this long comment for nothing. Carry on then.
Essentially: if it wasn't for the extra budget, we would have never had this content in the first place. If that is the case here, then I do believe it is fair of Capcom to charge us for the 12 characters since they were developed on a separate budget that needs to make money back separately.
The murky side of this comes when you see that they put it into the game- for all I know of programing, it could very well be the case that it is easier for them to balance the game and make sure it doesn't crash if they include all the chars from the start. But you have to be transparent about these things- throwing out a bunch of non-explanations that people prove wrong time and again will ruin your goodwill far more than being honest and say "We put extra money into these guys, you put extra money into them to enjoy them too".
Then again, I have no idea if Capcom is following this model so for all I know, they might just be evil money-grubbing bastards and I just wrote this long comment for nothing. Carry on then.
even as the vocal minority you all can make a difference buy not buying ANY of capcom's releases, show you do not approve buy not spending cash on this rubbish....
also what the fuck was that a spoiler for tali's face in those fake advertisement things? seriously I saw a face and it said something about tali's face, really guys why would you do that to me
@Steven Landin
Because unlike bioware, crapcom could care less about its fans. As long as they keep making money they don't care.
Poor Megaman Legends 3....
Because unlike bioware, crapcom could care less about its fans. As long as they keep making money they don't care.
Poor Megaman Legends 3....
I sick of Capcom as of late and their bullshit but once again this is nothing new
What's next people are going to report Square Enix for not releasing Final Mix versions of Kingdom Hearts in America?
What's next people are going to report Square Enix for not releasing Final Mix versions of Kingdom Hearts in America?
We as the consumers have a voice. Buy Capcom games used, or better yet, buy the Ultimate edition used. Of course, Gamefly is your other option. With my current financial situation, I rarely buy games on day 1 (especially from Capcom).
I think its a bit reductive saying its "trolling" its just that they view it as a legitimate business model. And its bullshit one for sure.
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