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Insomniac: Super Mario Galaxy may have borrowed from us photo

In Kikizo's recent interview with Insomniac, Marketing Director Ryan Schneider said that he thinks Nintendo's upcoming Wii title Super Mario Galaxy may have borrowed a concept from an Insomniac game.

One that we're even extremely flattered by is Super Mario Galaxy, with their spherical worlds; we did spherical worlds in Going Commando, and Up Your Arsenal. It would be amazing to think that Miyamoto-san thought that was so cool that he wanted to incorporate it into Mario Galaxy. Granted, he's doing it in a different way, but it's still a spherical world, so it's flattering to see those sorts of things.

Schneider also brings up another PS2 game that "borrowed" from an Insomniac title, but this time he's a bit less complimentary, and he doesn't mention the title's name. He says that this one is  "more or less a direct rip-off of Ratchet and Clank."

The full interview on Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction covers the development of this PS3 title, the battle against casual games, and R&C's fancy in-game cutscenes.

[thanks, JV] 


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braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:12
braulio09
well, at least he wasn't a douchebag and said "HEY ITS OUR IDEA YOU BASTARDS!" Dude doesn't seem to be 100% sure Miyamoto borrowed from them and he's humble...i like.

also, zeroes
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:13
covah
There was a huge argument about this an gamespot. My thought is insomniac needs to shut the fuck up.

You know what they borrowed from Mario? THE THIRD DIMENSION!

oh and look, they "borrowed" spherical worlds from Yoshi's island


Seriously insomniac needs to get their shit straight, with out mario 64 there would be no R&C, they shouldn't even think that they're such big shit that Mario would copy them.
Riser Glen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:21
Riser Glen
I found the spherical worlds in Ratchet and Clank 2/3 to be the weakest parts of the games. Also, from what I have seen from the Galaxy videos, they function quite differently.

Also, covah's post.
Deathsaw's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:29
Deathsaw
I love how game companies flatter themselves. It makes me laugh.
wario67's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:30
wario67
Riser Glen,
I agree
I dislike that part
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:31
Justice
Insomniac are idiots.

Shigeru did not steal from them.

Also Jak & Daxter 1 is better than the entire Ratchet series (even though the other Jak games sucked ass).

Fin.
Buster's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:37
Buster
you know who else made spherical worlds? the universe.
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 10:45
DrNutt
It seems ridiculous that he would say something like that. It'd be like John Romero saying something like "Yeah, it seems like Cliffy B and the boys at Epic borrowed our idea of using a chainsaw as a weapon. It's really flattering to think that it made such an impact on them."

Or like, HEY THEY USED SQUARES AND WE USED SQUARES THEY MUST HAVE GOTTEN THE IDEA OF GEOMETRIC SHAPES FROM US!
umrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:01
umrain
Don't forget Sonic 3's special stages.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:03
Jim Sterling
That's a heck of an arrogant claim. Insomniac didn't invent round planets.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:12
BlindsideDork
Is this guy the next Peter Molynieux?
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:15
JACK of No Trades
Oh no! DOn't say nothing bad about Nintendo! The fanboys will go crazy. You dumbass fanboys need to except the fact the siggy isn't god.
Riser Glen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:18
Riser Glen
I'd like to thank Insomniac for Basketballs. With them, NBA JAM would have never been a reality.
Spectral's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:19
Spectral
Wtf? This is bullshit.
flabzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:23
flabzilla
So it's agreed then, Marketing Director Ryan Schneider is a bit of a twat.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:29
DinnertimeNinja
Yes, as was said,, we need look NO FURTHER than with our dear friend, Sonic the Hedgehog to see a MUCH earlier use of "sperical worlds."

And the developer MAY be putting it in the hypothetical, but honestly, it still sounds like he's being a douche. I can't imagine that Nintendo played Ratchet and Clank and said, "Hey, let's design an entire GAME CONCEPT from some of the worst levels in THESE games!"

And this, 'Stealing concepts from other games' bitching is getting old. EVERY game made is it's own take on previous games' mechanics. The best games end up being made by people putting their own spin on other's ideas and fine tuning it further.

Is Halo the first FPS? Not even close. Is it probably the most widely KNOWN FPS at this point? I'd guess so.
FuriousGeorge's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:31
FuriousGeorge
LMAOOO @ buster

you know i think somewhere in the world shirgeru miyamoto is saying:

"wat is ratchet and crankeru?"
realyst's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:34
realyst
If Mario Galaxy is guilty of taking an idea, it's from "Le Petit Prince"(The Little Prince). A well known classic French kid's story where the protagonist goes to a bunch of little planetoids and interacts with a character that lives on it. The author himself drew the illustrations and all the worlds where little bigger then the protagonist himself.

But he did jump and 'fly' from little planet to little planet in a very Mario-Galazy sort of way.

And that story was written ages ago when the NES would have been considered sci-fi(1943).

A nice summary of the story here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Prince

(I see in the bullet points someone already made the correlation with Mario Galaxy)

We had to read the story for school way back(that's what French schoolin' does to ya).
kapshhh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:36
kapshhh
Hey Insomniac!

SUPER MARIO 64 BITCH
DGX Goggles's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:39
DGX Goggles
Don't you mean: "rachito ando curankeru" nandesuka?

And yeah, Miyamoto is not god guys, he has not made everything.
Riser Glen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:42
Riser Glen
Well, there needs to be some clarification here. He's not claiming anything negative such as stealing, he's claiming that they may have been a factor in the inspiration of Galaxy.

But, I still find that to be a bit far-fetched, seeing how the concept isn't really new. That plus the planets seem to be a large factor in the gameplay. And if they are, that would mean that the games premise was developed under the inspiration of Ratchet and Clanks sphere-levels.
realyst's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:49
realyst
But Riser, again, I point to Le Petit Prince. And it's just the kind of storybook Miyamoto would have stashed under his pillow.
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:52
braulio09
wow, you guys suck at reading comprehension. the dude doen't claim Shiggy stole the idea. he says it would be awesome if they had taken a cue from them. keyword: IF

also, realyst, The Little Prince is very well-known, no need for the explanation, mah homie gdawg from teh 'hood
YARLY's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 11:58
YARLY
Even Dragon Quest VII had spherical worlds, and that was released before the original Ratchet and Clank.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 12:09
Necros
To be fair, his other statement about the PS2 game (Ruff Trigger or something like that) is pretty much spot-on; it was a completely crappy rip-off.
realyst's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 12:18
realyst
@braulio09

I wasn't quite sure as to its propagation worldwide:)

But there are probably people who don't know who Shakespeare is so I figured better safe then sorry ;)
Extreme_Drunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 12:19
Extreme_Drunk
In other news:

Nasa reportedly lent Insomniac ideas for games

brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 12:35
brainderailment
Well, I guess it's good that he isn't bashing another system or company like some devs.
BluFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 12:37
BluFire
Haha, no.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 12:57
Cheeburga
COPIES OF THE UNIVERSE!
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 13:02
MechaMonkey
Natural planets are actually oblate spheroids, not perfect spheres.

Way to screw everything up, gaming.
Pepillou2's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 13:05
Pepillou2
They used Mario's moustache in a different way: whiskers.
CrackaSlim's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 13:07
CrackaSlim
Did Insomniac forget Mario 128?

In other news, ball of snow suspects katamari damacy of stealing its likeness.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 13:41
Mxyzptlk
@ CrackaSlim: Yup, exactly. The the tech demo of Mario 128 has been around forever, and it's pretty clear you can see the basic concept there.
LionheartAce's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 14:07
LionheartAce
@Extreme_Drunk

LOL, my thoughts exactly...

God: "It's flattering to see Insomniac using the Universal design I created the Earth with... But I'll be damned when I found out Miyamoto discovered my wacky crystal and cubic planet designs..."
Moco64's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 14:13
Moco64
Didn't Sonic Adventure 2 have an annoying as all hell spherical world level?
crizz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 14:15
crizz
This is all silly. Everyone knows that worlds are cubic in shape, not spherical.

IN BIZARRO WORLD!!!
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 14:19
Magesx
Can we all at least agree that the Mario series doesn't even compare to the greatness of Ratchet & Clank?
Comrade Snarky's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 14:32
Comrade Snarky
An emphatic "yes" to all of the comments above *except* Magesx.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 14:57
Cowboy TTop
Pathetic, nothing to see here, move along.
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 16:08
BahamutZero
yeah what bullshit. does he also take credit for my spherical turds?
CreamyGoodness7's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 16:31
CreamyGoodness7
Not saying Miyamoto's a god but this really isn't that innovative a concept to come up with... Insomniac fails at modesty over their gloating and Shiggy fails at... well nothing really.
grrza's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 16:43
grrza
bollocks!!
allisonaxe's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 17:01
allisonaxe
there have been lots of games prior that have had spherical worlds. already cited in this is Yoshi's Island, Sonic 3's bonus stage, and two of the knuckles/rouge levels on Sonic Adventure 2, and I know there are probably others. Insomniac needs to shut the hell up, they didn't create this idea.
flabzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 17:29
flabzilla
So it's agreed then, Marketing Director Ryan Schneider is a bit of a twat.
generaldane's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 17:46
generaldane
From Ryan as Insomniac:



Hey peeps. This topic has touched a nerve! Figured I'd jump in and settle the question of what I really meant on the Super Mario Galaxy question. (Wish I could have been more articulate.) First, and more important, I can tell you that we're going to be running at a solid 60 fps in R&C Future. We've been consistent with saying that in interviews and on our podcast once we were able to confirm 60. When I commented about 40-50fps, we were still optimizing. We've gone gold since this interview was taped, and everyone should be pleased to know our framerate is as consistent as past R&C games.

Second, regarding the Galaxy comment. I have no idea whether anyone on the Galaxy team looked at past R&C games and was inspired by our spherical worlds. It would be flattering to think so, as we're all HUGE fans of Miyamoto-san and of all his games. Maybe that's just wishful thinking :) I'm sure it's safe to say that our team has been inspired by a huge variety of Nintendo games, including Mario! Bottom line: If you know Insomniac, then you know the last thing we're interested in is chest-thumping...that's *not* our thing. Ted wouldn't stand for it, trust me.

Hope this helps clarify things. Thanks though for reading the article...man, I look freakin' tired in the photos and like I need to eat more!

Take care, guys. Hope you check out our new podcast when we go live tomorrow...kick-ass Mystery Guest that just wrapped up a very kick-ass public beta.
generaldane's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 17:47
generaldane
so yea Dale you need to get your shit together
Variable Gear's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 19:04
Variable Gear
Wow Insomniac...

Why does the fact that Super Mario Galaxy has spherical worlds mean that Miyamoto-san played Going Commando or Up Your Arsenal?

I mean its great that they did not come out and say "Galaxy obviously stole from us," but what they did say is not much better.

Developer respect level - %10
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 19:53
Dexter345
I bet the game he was talking about was Metal Arms: Glitch in the System. That was totally a Ratchet ripoff.
Radius Zero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2007 19:55
Radius Zero
I knew those guys sucked hard, but I didn't know they sucked THIS HARD to say Miyamoto ripped them off. lolz
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